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FrmLE wrote:

I agree, they are doing everything they can within their ability and resources to pursue every lead. That is their job, it is what I would do and have done many times over.
NO ONE knows what really happened to Maura. Do you think the NHSP would come out and say, "Look we don't know what happened, we think she may be up in those woods, so we really aren't doing anything to investigate the case....?"
Of course not, until the case is closed it remains open and as long as it remains open the Police are going to continue to work every lead.
I am sure there are leads that come up all the time, tips, maybe some new information that may or may not be relevant. The Police are obligated to pursue every one of those leads, and they do.
Those leads usually involve INDIVIDUALS, so when Todd says his investigation involves individuals, what does that mean? He is not investigating Fish? Planes, Trains, Automobiles?
Read what is said, what is NOT SAID, try to understand the context of the court case, and you will probably come to the conclusion that no one knows what happened, the case continues to be active, and the Police are pursuing every lead possible.
Thats what we get paid to do, this is no different.

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FrmLE wrote:

I agree, they are doing everything they can within their ability and resources to pursue every lead. That is their job, it is what I would do and have done many times over.
NO ONE knows what really happened to Maura. Do you think the NHSP would come out and say, "Look we don't know what happened, we think she may be up in those woods, so we really aren't doing anything to investigate the case....?"
Of course not, until the case is closed it remains open and as long as it remains open the Police are going to continue to work every lead.
I am sure there are leads that come up all the time, tips, maybe some new information that may or may not be relevant. The Police are obligated to pursue every one of those leads, and they do.
Those leads usually involve INDIVIDUALS, so when Todd says his investigation involves individuals, what does that mean? He is not investigating Fish? Planes, Trains, Automobiles?
Read what is said, what is NOT SAID, try to understand the context of the court case, and you will probably come to the conclusion that no one knows what happened, the case continues to be active, and the Police are pursuing every lead possible.
Thats what we get paid to do, this is no different.

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Advocate wrote:

At this point, as far as damage to the Saturn, I don't think we can say with any certainty at all WHAT she hit, or when or where. To best of my knowledge there have been no photos released of the Saturn where it was found on Rt. 112 -- and maybe none were taken, I don't think it's common practice for LE to take photos of wrecked or abandoned autos at the site. If photos were taken at Lavoies, none have been released.
So the earliest and only photos we know about/have access to were taken roughly 2 years later and after the Saturn had been left in the Troop F lot. Two years later and after sitting in a field, basically accessible to anyone, IMHO that car is a total loss as to what caused the damage to it and it's useless to further speculate.

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FrmLE wrote:

I agree, they are doing everything they can within their ability and resources to pursue every lead. That is their job, it is what I would do and have done many times over.
NO ONE knows what really happened to Maura. Do you think the NHSP would come out and say, "Look we don't know what happened, we think she may be up in those woods, so we really aren't doing anything to investigate the case....?"
Of course not, until the case is closed it remains open and as long as it remains open the Police are going to continue to work every lead.
I am sure there are leads that come up all the time, tips, maybe some new information that may or may not be relevant. The Police are obligated to pursue every one of those leads, and they do.
Those leads usually involve INDIVIDUALS, so when Todd says his investigation involves individuals, what does that mean? He is not investigating Fish? Planes, Trains, Automobiles?
Read what is said, what is NOT SAID, try to understand the context of the court case, and you will probably come to the conclusion that no one knows what happened, the case continues to be active, and the Police are pursuing every lead possible.
Thats what we get paid to do, this is no different.

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FrmLE wrote:

I would rather not comment on some of the specific questions in your post Ann, I hope you understand why.
I will say this, I have covered dozens (maybe hundreds?) of situations just like this was for the first 24/48 hours. Single car crash, driver suspected of drinking, leaves scene and shows up sometime later.
It Literally happens all the time and cops do the same thing the cops did here, cover the accident, put a BOLO out for the operator, tow the car, and move on. The difference here is what happened to Maura, and no one could have known then what we know now. Or, put another way..........
HINDSIGHT IS 20/20!!!!!!!
The other thing I will agree with is that yes, Fred sure did put police on their toes with the way he acted in this case. I would say that is an understatement. Many of the things that followed were a result of his actions and behavior.

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Just me--paris wrote:

<quoted text>I could see if it were that Maura "bashed" into something that was at a standstill or parked, backed up to continue on. Some people seem to think she was driving from someone who ran into her, or let her run into them to get her to stop maybe? But who knows...

Ruthless Rye wrote:

Thank you Paris for that info.

Advocate wrote:

At this point, as far as damage to the Saturn, I don't think we can say with any certainty at all WHAT she hit, or when or where. To best of my knowledge there have been no photos released of the Saturn where it was found on Rt. 112 -- and maybe none were taken, I don't think it's common practice for LE to take photos of wrecked or abandoned autos at the site. If photos were taken at Lavoies, none have been released.
So the earliest and only photos we know about/have access to were taken roughly 2 years later and after the Saturn had been left in the Troop F lot. Two years later and after sitting in a field, basically accessible to anyone, IMHO that car is a total loss as to what caused the damage to it and it's useless to further speculate.

Anne wrote:

<quoted text> The problem for me is I heard them looking for a young female long before the official timeline.

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FrmLE wrote:

I would rather not comment on some of the specific questions in your post Ann, I hope you understand why.
I will say this, I have covered dozens (maybe hundreds?) of situations just like this was for the first 24/48 hours. Single car crash, driver suspected of drinking, leaves scene and shows up sometime later.
It Literally happens all the time and cops do the same thing the cops did here, cover the accident, put a BOLO out for the operator, tow the car, and move on. The difference here is what happened to Maura, and no one could have known then what we know now. Or, put another way..........
HINDSIGHT IS 20/20!!!!!!!
The other thing I will agree with is that yes, Fred sure did put police on their toes with the way he acted in this case. I would say that is an understatement. Many of the things that followed were a result of his actions and behavior.

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WTH-the-original wrote:

I just kind of figured people finally got tired of the pointless windmilling?
Nothing useful happening here, move along....
In memory of SBD
Bill

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Jenkins wrote:

Anne have you ever talked to anyone outside your home that heard that call at 7?
Reading what weeper posted it appears that others innthe area heard the call top, I was wondering if you know of any others personally. Thanks

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FrmLE wrote:

I do have a hard time imagining that if Maura were in an accident involving someone else either hitting her, forcing her off the road, or anything other than her just misjudging a corner and hitting the snowbank that she would not have accepted Butch's offer of help. Why wouldn't she yell for help, tell Butch to call the police, go with him instead of staying at her disabled car?
If a young girl is driving along far from home, at night, and is hit by another another car or truck, or is forced off the road into a snowbank, and a passerby stops to help, would that girl really lie and refuse help? Who would be that cool, in that situation?
That is completely counter to my experience with human behavior. I don't buy that there was anyone else involved at any time prior to her speaking with Butch. Nor do I buy any theory that has to do with Maura look-alikes or that stuff.
Yes it was a night, but Butch made a pretty good ID of a girl who was wearing Mauras clothes, driving Mauras car, far from where Maura lived. Who could have gotten her car and her clothes and stuff? Seriously, it's just implausible.

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TeeJay wrote:

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She would have declined an offer for help because she had been drinking and didn't want to get slammed with a DUI -- two days after wrecking her father's car, while secretly skipping a week of school.

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FrmLE wrote:

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Im not sure what to make of that, honestly at the time this was not a significant incident and I can't remember where I was or what I was doing that night. I was not working the road and it didn't come to my attention until later, much later.
Therefore I just don't know what to make of differing timelines and such. What I do know is if there were discrepencies, it was not from some sort of 'coverup' or whatever, just human error or misunderstanding the dispatch logs.