Maura Murray

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amy researches wrote:

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Whether the car stalled or the above scenario happened, does it make a difference to anyone's theory? Similarly, if the car didn't really hit the trees but instead clipped the snow bank and ended up a few extra yards down the road, does this change anything? Other than maybe someone filled out the accident report six days later and made a sloppy mistake? I'm not implying anything nefarious happened, just an honest question.

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JWB wrote:

If the car was correcting at the curve it still doesn't explain why the resting place was so far from the curve and the car facing west.

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BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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Haha, bill, you said booby..funny
What's weird about what your saying here is I actually don't even have a theory. I can't decide if I think she actually got killed or if she ran away. I've never even outright said what I really think happened. Most of the time im asking questions
What's wrong with discussing scenarios with some people online? Why do you care?
You say I need to ask more questions, why don't you answer some of the q's I asked last night that obviously got you all hot and bothered.
Like why did smith lie to the family?
Why do witnesses place the chiefs vehicle at the scene yet he denies being there?
Why are there multiple versions of the gcsd logs and is this common practice for them to have multiple logs that are different? Aren't logs supposed to be a legal record? Is it commonplace for police logs to have multiple copies that are different? Bill in your years of experience in all these different things do you think it's common to have different versions of the same log?
Why is there an hour gap before maura's crash? Is this common to have whole hours where nobody even calls the dispatch? Is it common for there to be a gap when 911 was so busy that night that you couldn't even get through to them?
How bout some basic ones:
Are we not supposed to question the ones who have chose as a profession to protect the public? Are we supposed to just trust everything they say no matter what? Are we supposed to trust them just because they're LE? & if we have definite lies by said LE should we still trust what they say?
All legitimate questions, for some reason I have a feeling you guys aren't gonna answer any of them but rather resort to weak minded attacks & stupid words like booby..you know, arguments of 5 year olds....
Its funny the personal attacks that come when I make a post like that. You giys are so transparent, it's pretty obvious to anyone who can half think for themselves.

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GrampaMo wrote:

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***Police Suspend Search for Missing Woman
Haverhill, New Hampshire - February 19, 2004
Police used a helicopter and scent dogs to search two square miles of the wooded area where 21-year-old Maura Murray was last seen.
But still, no sign of the missing college student.
"We were not able to come up with any conclusive clues for us to continue,"said Lt. Todd Bogardus of the New Hampshire Fish and Game Department.***

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BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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First of all you need to read up. If you go back every single one of this quotes has been posted in the past couple weeks,
These aren't disputable they're direct quotes from LE, but I will dig them up again just to show that obviously I ain't making anything up, anyone who reads these boards often knows that.
So when I dig up the quotes later are you gonna admit that your wrong?
If scarinza did say he could see animal tracks clear as day and that they flew 20 miles of 112 and saw no evidence of anyone entering the woods?
When scarinza says he's confident shed not in the woods near the crash site?
Are you even gonna admit your wrong anyways?
I seriously doubt it.
Funny way to try to discredit me, just say I'm a liar. Super weak, weak minded argument there. if you've actually been reading you would know that I've posted all these quotes and their sources in the past few weeks

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Bill that video you posted kind of proves you wrong If your think about it.
Of your going around a left hand corner your ass end spins out to your right.
This makes your front left driver side the least likely side to hit.
Your front passenger side is most likely, then your dwarf driver side, then it's possible to spin all the way too.
Bu to hit the front left she would have had to spun out and the. Fully caight traction to completely spin her the other wayto slide out completely opposite direction.
Nothing your saying explains the damage point being the from left corner.
Also a tree did not cause that damage. A tree can not damage a sharp dent above the bumper like that without causing any damaging the bumper as well. Look how deep that dent is. A tree did not cause this.
Also you, and smith for that matter make no explanation for the sheared off snowbank on the inside of the curve.
How come some tv repair man can figure this out but smith can't?

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Can FrmLE, Bill or anyone else who believes she may have run 10 miles and/or been suicidal explain why this would be a simpler or more likely scenario than her getting into a car at 100 yards?
IF she was suicidal because of the second crash, or just emotional and having some kind of breakdown, she could have gotten a ride from any random passer-by. That random driver might never have heard about her disappearance, or might not have come forward for fear of being the last known person to give her a ride. They could have dropped her off anywhere, and she could have killed herself elsewhere or gotten herself into a bad/deadly situation elsewhere.
Not saying this is what happened, because I have no idea. I'm just saying this doesn't sound any less possible than her running ten miles in an unknown direction and making it into those woods. Do hypothermia sufferers go deep into the woods?

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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First of all you need to read up. If you go back every single one of this quotes has been posted in the past couple weeks,
These aren't disputable they're direct quotes from LE, but I will dig them up again just to show that obviously I ain't making anything up, anyone who reads these boards often knows that.
So when I dig up the quotes later are you gonna admit that your wrong?
If scarinza did say he could see animal tracks clear as day and that they flew 20 miles of 112 and saw no evidence of anyone entering the woods?
When scarinza says he's confident shed not in the woods near the crash site?
Are you even gonna admit your wrong anyways?
I seriously doubt it.
Funny way to try to discredit me, just say I'm a liar. Super weak, weak minded argument there. if you've actually been reading you would know that I've posted all these quotes and their sources in the past few weeks

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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I have never said ten miles, though that isn't impossible. What I have said is that she was clearly evading any responders. That means any car that came down the road was a problem for her. Could have been the police, EMS, fire even a "helpful" citizen out looking for her. Any of those would have been a problem for someone actively evading which I believe she clearly was doing. It is not impossible to believe that in trying to evade she got herself lost, running down the road, jumping into the woods when a car came, and at some point got to far into the woods and got lost. Again, it is possible. Her state of mind at that point could have been suicidal, but without question it was evasion, maybe at any cost.
Oh, I have seen this several times. We had someone lost for several hours in a relatively small patch of woods running around trying to evade police. They eventually were flushed out, but like I said, after several hours with people pursuing them. And not the only person I have seen do this. I am certain if some of these people weren't flushed out of the woods, and it was colder, and a much bigger forest, they would have died. The only thought they had, even in some of these cases, with their injuries, was to get away, no matter what. Every one was legally drunk. Not all were fall down drunk, but they were all impaired, legally and physically.
Bill

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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I have never said ten miles, though that isn't impossible. What I have said is that she was clearly evading any responders. That means any car that came down the road was a problem for her. Could have been the police, EMS, fire even a "helpful" citizen out looking for her. Any of those would have been a problem for someone actively evading which I believe she clearly was doing. It is not impossible to believe that in trying to evade she got herself lost, running down the road, jumping into the woods when a car came, and at some point got to far into the woods and got lost. Again, it is possible. Her state of mind at that point could have been suicidal, but without question it was evasion, maybe at any cost.
Oh, I have seen this several times. We had someone lost for several hours in a relatively small patch of woods running around trying to evade police. They eventually were flushed out, but like I said, after several hours with people pursuing them. And not the only person I have seen do this. I am certain if some of these people weren't flushed out of the woods, and it was colder, and a much bigger forest, they would have died. The only thought they had, even in some of these cases, with their injuries, was to get away, no matter what. Every one was legally drunk. Not all were fall down drunk, but they were all impaired, legally and physically.
Bill

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BobJenkins-OG wrote:

Lt scarinza on what he could see from the helicopter:
"I remember seeing a gorgeous red fox that stuck out like a beacon down below. Deer stands. You could see great detail. You could see human footprints. There was good clean snow in the mountains and it had not snowed since the crash"
"there were no footprints leading into the woods around the site of the accident and no sign of Maura."
More to come...

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jwb wrote:

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when you are going into a left turn physics tells you that the vehicle would naturally pull you to the right side. what happened to the theory about the car stalling? Now you are saying that the car was racing? what is it Bill?