Maura Murray

If you thik people believe this crap your crazier than I thought.

I think I made my point.

FrmLE you are clearly just a troll that is here to spread misinformation and to start arguments.

Anybody can go back and read the posts and judge for themselves, its very easy to see that your full of shit.

I'm done arguing with your lying ass.

If anybody believes you still they need to seriously get their head examined

Maruchan did you miss my posts responding to your critizism of are you just lying now?

I found the post and realized that I didn't put "that I've ever seen" at the end of the post, I meant to and truly thought that I did but clearly I didn't.

Sorry I made one small mistake.
I also apologized for making it look like you were using underhanded tactics.

But honestly if this is the best crap you guys can come up with to show that I'm lying it's pretty sad and also blatatly obvious that you guys are the ones lying.

I'm not responding to the trolls anymore, this is getting ridiculous.

All you guys want to do is turn this thread into a giant argument and you've succeeded fairly well.

I'm going back to full on ignoring you idiot lying hypocrites.

The question is: why do you people care?

Do you guys really care about this wife beater, who was mentioned by name once or twice max. Not only that but the person who mentioned the guys name was flamed.

How is it there people don't care about maura yet they care about criminals, wife beaters and liars?

You guys need to seriously reevaluate your morals because they are totally whacked.

Look at the people who you are defending!!

Its truly sickening

FrmLE wrote:

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That is correct, I was involved in Patric's case as early as the day he went missing.
I did not work Maura's case until much later when it was cold. You can say I worked it, reviewed it, had access to it, whatever you wish it is all the same.
If you think you will be succesful playing the 'word game' with me regarding the word "work", please think again. Nothing I said contradicts the facts, you are being quite silly.
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Yes, lol, that is correct. It was much later that I heard about it, at least a week, maybe more than a week, maybe several weeks?
This was in 2004 and I was in a very different role then, so I don't remember when the case came to my attention, it was not immediately, it was much later. lol, maybe a week? Maybe several weeks?
Again, if you think you will gain anything playing the word game with me, forget it. You just make yourself look stupid.
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Could you give the year you started working on Mauras case. Thank you.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

Maruchan did you miss my posts responding to your critizism of are you just lying now?
I found the post and realized that I didn't put "that I've ever seen" at the end of the post, I meant to and truly thought that I did but clearly I didn't.
Sorry I made one small mistake.
I also apologized for making it look like you were using underhanded tactics.
But honestly if this is the best crap you guys can come up with to show that I'm lying it's pretty sad and also blatatly obvious that you guys are the ones lying.
I'm not responding to the trolls anymore, this is getting ridiculous.
All you guys want to do is turn this thread into a giant argument and you've succeeded fairly well.
I'm going back to full on ignoring you idiot lying hypocrites.
The question is: why do you people care?
Do you guys really care about this wife beater, who was mentioned by name once or twice max. Not only that but the person who mentioned the guys name was flamed.
How is it there people don't care about maura yet they care about criminals, wife beaters and liars?
You guys need to seriously reevaluate your morals because they are totally whacked.
Look at the people who you are defending!!
Its truly sickening

Come on, be honest. You really are a 15 year old boy right? At least then you would have an excuse, otherwise.........

Sad, pathetic.

I think that people are overlooking one key part of this court case.
In the judge's decision, i think it was the first decision, he explains that the state needs to show that they are truly investigating something they believe to be a crime.
He specifically state that the state can't withhold information from the public just because they want to. They can't just withhold documents because there might be cirminal chages brought in the future; that is not acceptable.
They had to show that there is a likelihood of charges being brought.
That means that the judge reviewed the case and came to the conclusion that Maura was not likely in the woods; but rather she was likely a victim of foul play.
If the judge reviewed the case and felt she was likely in the woods he would have had to release the documents; again they can't withhold information just becuase there may be charges brought in the future.
It is clear that the state has a suspect or suspects and believers that a crime occurred. If they didn't then the files would have been released; that is the essence of the case.
The judge specifically state that the state can't withhold files because they want to, they can't withhold files just in case. There needs to be a likelihood of charges being brought.
This brings us to the 75% chance statement. I agree that that # was likely pulled out of his ass; how could he possibly come up with a realy percentage anyways? But what that means is that they have some sort of evidence that a crime did in fact occur. If they had nothing, had no idea what happened to her than they would have had to say a 50% chance or they would have been lying; committing perjury in court.
The court case shows that the state does believe that a crime occurred and they are investigating it as such.
Besides for the fact that major crimes has been investiagating it since the 2nd day. Major crimes investigates murder; these guys are not going to continually investigate a case for years unless they believe a crime took place.
I'm sorry but if LE believed that Maura was likely lost in the woods major crimes would not have put so much time and effort into this case.
If they looked at the case and felt she was simpley a drunk girl who wantered into the woods they would not have investigated it so much and there is absolutely no way she would be on the CCU list, no way.
Thee is really no debating that the state believes a crime occured.
Again; unless you people are saying that the state's attorney committed perjury and was lying to the court, then the state believes a crime occured; there's no 2 ways about it

Maruchan wrote:

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There you go again, this one is truly amazing: "... besides a few locals, who aren't even mentioned by name no less..." Freaking unbelievable. After everything that I posted previously showing you that, indeed, a "local" had his real name outed on this forum, it is as if none of that happened and here you are again, this time leaving no doubt that you are nothing but a liar.
A while back, you posted this and whole lot of other shit:
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After that, I re-posted your entire post with the post number, date and page (#20604, May 14th, page 1013) so that you and everybody else could see what you originally said, which did NOT include the words "I've ever seen"." Immediately after that, GrampaMo posted the applicable section of your quoted comment, and a few posts later Snowy reposted it. You never responded to any of those posts and ignored the entire thing. We proved you were a LIAR, over and over, and your only response was to ignore the evidence. And now, you have started the cycle all over, by stating: "... besides a few locals, who aren't even mentioned by name no less..."
It's bad enough that you spam this forum daily, that you continue to post misinformation and speculation as fact, now you're starting to regurgitate your lies.
And just FYI, the reason I edited your comments is because every single post you make uses up the allotted 4000 characters, and I cannot quote you and respond in the same post.
I've decided that you are truly insane, an incredible LIAR, no older than 15 or only have the intellect of a slow 15 year-old, are here more than anybody else to destroy any conversation about MM, and that you are directly responsible for so many people leaving this forum (along with WTH Bill). I also believe that you either post when you are drunk and/or stoned and/or on speed. You actually have only about five original posts, all the others are essentially duplicates of those five. I actually found this thread interesting until you started in with the constant spamming - now the interesting posters are gone and you are all that is left - what a shame.

It's nearly painful to see you quote, reply to, and attempt to correct the record; it's time-consuming, only to be ignored. Someone said he's a "wind-up toy"; I'll add ignorant. It's a full-time endeavor, and a thankless one. Honestly, nothing new equals nothing new, no matter how they mix up the few facts.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Could you give the year you started working on Mauras case. Thank you.

No, I would rather not.

FrmLE wrote:

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Come on, be honest. You really are a 15 year old boy right? At least then you would have an excuse, otherwise.........
Sad, pathetic.

This post is clear proof this guy is nothing more than a troll trying to piss people off by telling lies and making personal attacks.

A statement like that would only, and could only come from a troll.

This guy is a liar and troll, his only purpose of being here is to spread misinformation/lies about the case and/or start arguments to make everyone look crazy.

Anybody who would make a statement like that is nothing more than a troll and should be ignored

The only thing I feel stupid about i ever getting into it with this guy.

he doesn't care what's said as log as it's an argument that's distracting the whole conversation.

I'm done with this moron, I proved he's a liar on more than enough occasions that anyone can see

FrmLE why was the search for Maura focoused to the west and the east was ignored on that night? Thanks

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

And what were you anyways? Were you a narc or where you a murder police?

By the way, what exactly is a "murder police"? Do you mean, a Homicide Detective?

lol, you say things like this and then in the same breath you expect ANYONE to believe that you have a clue about how Law Enforcement operates? You think you have any credibility when it comes to how a Criminal Investigation is conducted?

Murder Police, lol, that may be the stupidest thing you have ever said, and let me tell you, nearly every thing you say is stupid!

Haha, thanks for the laugh, are you stoned? Drunk?

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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This post is clear proof this guy is nothing more than a troll trying to piss people off by telling lies and making personal attacks.
A statement like that would only, and could only come from a troll.
This guy is a liar and troll, his only purpose of being here is to spread misinformation/lies about the case and/or start arguments to make everyone look crazy.
Anybody who would make a statement like that is nothing more than a troll and should be ignored

I didn't say it, I just repeated it. lol, but you do really sound like a 15 year old typing away angrily in your bedroom.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

<quoted text> his only purpose of being here is to spread misinformation/lies about the case and/or start arguments to make everyone look crazy.

As I said before, YOU MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CRAZY, all I do is shine a light on your ignorance and stupidity. It's soooo easy to do, lol, and fun.

Maruchan wrote:

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I've decided that you are truly insane, an incredible LIAR, no older than 15 or only have the intellect of a slow 15 year-old,

Not just a 15 year old, but a Liar and a SLOW 15 year old!

lol, so true!

What is disturbing to me is that some who claim that were/are or used to be with any branch of "Protect and Serve" could be so crude and cruel. Just confirms as to why the NH Cold Case roster is so very long.
The usual reason is "lack of funds". Perhaps it is because of lack of background checks and/or lack of periodic mental examinations.(obvious anger issues)

citigirl wrote:

FrmLE why was the search for Maura focoused to the west and the east was ignored on that night? Thanks

I don't know, I wasn't there. I can speculate that they searched in the direction that was most logical considering she came from the West and there was a town to the West, whereas there was nothing to the East for quite a distance.

Sooo, if I were the cop I would assume she probably went back in the direction she came from? Toward Civilization? Toward a telephone, toward cell service, toward a gas station?

That's my guess, that's what I probably would have done.

Shack wrote:

What is disturbing to me is that some who claim that were/are or used to be with any branch of "Protect and Serve" could be so crude and cruel. Just confirms as to why the NH Cold Case roster is so very long.
The usual reason is "lack of funds". Perhaps it is because of lack of background checks and/or lack of periodic mental examinations.(obvious anger issues)

I thought we were playing? It doesn't go both ways does it shack?

I am supposed to feel bad because I don't kiss ass to the disrespectful people like you and booby? Turn around isn't fair play? Disrespect me and I will do the same to you.

I call Bullshit on you and your buddy. I show proper respect to those who deserve it, those who don't can kiss my ass.

I spent 22 years being nice to dirtbags like you because it was my job, it is not my job now however. If you want to play hardball, don't get mad when you take a fastball under the chin.

Buckle up buttercup, you of all people.

FrmLE wrote:

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I don't know, I wasn't there. I can speculate that they searched in the direction that was most logical considering she came from the West and there was a town to the West, whereas there was nothing to the East for quite a distance.
Sooo, if I were the cop I would assume she probably went back in the direction she came from? Toward Civilization? Toward a telephone, toward cell service, toward a gas station?
That's my guess, that's what I probably would have done.

And that is what they did, they searched for 10-15 minutes to the West and with Sbd's help, they took it down the side roads, even stopping by a cafe if I remember right. I'd like to thank you for answering this for Citigirl. I think I would have done the same thing, concidering. But in the following days, and later when it was said that the search had gone nationwide, I wonder if the police to the East were left out of it. Please understand me now, I don't know how any of this works. My question for you, if you would be so kind is: Do you think it was because of town lines, the jurisdiction thing? Or maybe Maura's legal age coupled with the idea that she was an adult and could therefor be out and about legally? Or do you think we've been misled and departments to the East were in fact contacted and aware? I know that sounds silly, but she was an adult, and if she wanted to remain gone at first, police don't always step in. I know first hand because when my son ran away at 22 or so, the police wanted to pay my x a visit because he had taken my sons wallet and car keys away just prior. The officer wanted to go talk to the x saying that went against the constitution. When I explained my sons illnesses and that I concidered him to be a high risk and unable to fend for himself, the police decided to patrol and look for him for days.
Thanks in advance for any thoughts and answers you may have for me.

Unless they had some sort of compelling information that she went west there is really no excuse for not searching east.

There were at least 3 cars there that night that took part in the search, smith the and & Jkm.
All 3 of these guys searched to the west, why??

I just don't think that could possibly be accidental, thunk about it; you got 3 cars there, if they thought she was on foot and had no idea where she was logic would dictate that one person goes east, one west and the other up bhr.
If they believed she was on foot they would literally only have to drive east about 3-4 min to be farther than she could've made it on foot.
So we know for an absolute fact resources weren't an issue because they would have only had to gone a few minutes in that direction.

I think that they must have had some sort of information telling them that she wasn't indoor and she didnt go east.
Something else that makes me think this is the fact that the sbd even drove around looking for her. Think about this for a minute; she had just refused his help when he randomly drove up in his school bus. Why would he think that she would want a ride from him now that he came and found her in his private vehicle? She would be scared shitless. Remember that his story is that she refused his help because he is big and scary looking. Makes zero sense that he would go look for her if they thought she was on foot.

I obviously could be wrong here, stranger things have happened, but to me it looks like they knew that someone picked her up; I'm not sure if I think they were thinking foul play right then but there's a very good chance they were.
The sbd mentions that he took a ride out to French pond to check the ice fishing bobhouses. Well that makes absolutely No sense if they thought she was on foot by herself; how could Maura possibly know about French pond & know that she could go hide in a bobhouse?? They clearly knew she was a young girl from mass. To me that is a very telling statement.
If they thought she was on foot by herself they would be searching east, the last place they
Should be looking is on French pond. That's exactly the type of place the would be looking If they thought some local dirtbag took her.

Strictly judging by their actions that night it's pretty obvious to me at least that they thought foul play right from the start. This could very well be why Jkm refuses to even answer questions about that night. I've heard from several sources that he us a really honest guy & he probably doesn't want to lie like smith did. So rather than lie he refuses to talk; that's obviously opinion though.

jwb wrote:

OK- just did the stop frame again on the ID show and this is what i got:
10:10 call to Hanover lasted 29 min (sister ?)Call #1
12;07 am call to 8290 new City (Billy) call #2
Maura breaks down after the call to Billy
3:40 am call to 8290 (Dominos)
an observation: There are many calls to new City (Billy) that only have a one min or so duration.

A little ways back I mentioned that perhaps someone from within the building was calling Maura at her desk, to let her know that they were on their way up to relieve her of her duties. And I wondered too how Maura could go unnoticed by the rotating supers, unmanned at the desk to go get coffee,(not my idea) or somehow be out on the streets in order to even hit Petrit in the first place? Even if she was out and yakking to Billy at 12:07 for seven minutes while she was driving, how could she pull off something like a hit and run and get back in her chair so soon,(and all the while undetected)? PLUS, she was witnessed as visably shaken before that. So I looked at this posting by JWB and thought, hmmmm..........she called Dominoes and no one else at 3:40 am, ey?
The only thing I can wonder now is if she ever let others drive her car at their own risk. Even just a friend,(big stretch) who worked at Dominos? I'd be curious to know if she ordered food or just called to see if she suspected this person may have hit Petrit. And hey, as usual I am only supposing as I go, just food for thought. I sure do wish someone would come out and say there was no way possible Maura could have been involvedin that terrible accident that Petrit had to endure. This is like windmilling, I agree, but I can't help myself here. Can this be one thing to look into? Locate the bosses at the time to see if one of the workers had a different car that night or if there was just a simple order being paced for pizza.

FrmLE wrote:

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By the way, what exactly is a "murder police"? Do you mean, a Homicide Detective?
lol, you say things like this and then in the same breath you expect ANYONE to believe that you have a clue about how Law Enforcement operates? You think you have any credibility when it comes to how a Criminal Investigation is conducted?
Murder Police, lol, that may be the stupidest thing you have ever said, and let me tell you, nearly every thing you say is stupid!
Haha, thanks for the laugh, are you stoned? Drunk?

LOL, Now this is hilarious.

You really wanna know who use the term murder police? real life murder police, which you clearly are not.

What do you think when homicide detectives are talking to themselves or to their family they call themselves "homicide detectives"???
What I've heard; they don't call themselves "murder cops" either because that just sounds werd. No, they refer to themselves as "murder police". My uncle is a suffolk county NY homicide detective and thats what they refer to themselves as. My other uncle's best friend, who is pretty much like my uncle too, is a Nassau county homicide guy and he says the same thing. The cops in Bridgeport,ct use that term as well. A good friend of mine from college is a murder police down in Baltimore and they definetly use that term. What do you think they call themselves Murder cops? Homicide detectives? lol, that doesn't sound cool, cops like to think they sound cool; "I'm a murder police" is extremely common, among

Many, many many cops use that term, it's an extremely common turn of phrase for anyone who is in LE circles.
They may or may not use it in NH I don't personally know any NH homicide detectives but I just can't believe that you were a cop for 22 years and you never knew that anyone used that term.
Even if they don't use that term in NH you would think that they would know that's what homiced guys have been using as a term for the last 20 years in the rest of the northeast.

Your a troll, I'm done responding to your nonesense. I just had to respond to this because in my mind it 100% proved to me that you were never a cop of any sort. Your clearly here to spread disinfo and your claiming to be a cop to try to make it sound legit, do you realize how morally wrong that is.

My buddy who's currently on the NH DTF summed it up best like this; he said: "just the fact that guy is saying he used to be a cop on a public message board like that proves that he was never really a cop. No ex-cop would EVER say he's an ex cop on a forum like that; not gonna happen. There are major legal and ethical issues with that & if he was truly a cop posting on a message board he would never say he was"