Maura Murray

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FrmLE wrote:

My experience in handling suicides, both attempts as well as deaths, is that things rarely make sense. I think it is a mistake to attribute certain things Maura did prior to the accident, such as removing $280 or getting gas or gathering the insurance paperwork, to evidence that she would not have killed herself. In real life it just doesn't seem to ever be that neat and tidy.
Look at the suicide of Junior Seau, the football player. Nothing he did prior to shooting himself gave any indication of what he would do. It usually does not make sense to anyone other than the person feeling the pain, grief, despair.
One absolute thing I learned in my life and career as a cop is that NO ONE REALLY KNOWS WHAT IS DEEP INSIDE ANOTHER PERSONS SOUL.
Even your spouse or lover, best friend, son or daughter, no matter how well we know someone we will never know what goes on deep inside their heart and mind.
That is the absolute truth.

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FrmLE wrote:

My experience in handling suicides, both attempts as well as deaths, is that things rarely make sense. I think it is a mistake to attribute certain things Maura did prior to the accident, such as removing $280 or getting gas or gathering the insurance paperwork, to evidence that she would not have killed herself. In real life it just doesn't seem to ever be that neat and tidy.
Look at the suicide of Junior Seau, the football player. Nothing he did prior to shooting himself gave any indication of what he would do. It usually does not make sense to anyone other than the person feeling the pain, grief, despair.
One absolute thing I learned in my life and career as a cop is that NO ONE REALLY KNOWS WHAT IS DEEP INSIDE ANOTHER PERSONS SOUL.
Even your spouse or lover, best friend, son or daughter, no matter how well we know someone we will never know what goes on deep inside their heart and mind.
That is the absolute truth.

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Look at you scoring those hearts.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

<quoted text> Do you think that maybe that is why the father gave you guys such a hard time? Maybe his coping mechanism was to think that it was foul play. Suicide victims families and friends are hit with guilt as if it was their fault.

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FrmLE wrote:

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I feel so warm and fuzzy, anyone need a hug? lol
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Ummm, that's a really good question. I have to say that I was aware of the 'difficulty' that Fred gave investigators, I really was not involved with the case during those years as I was in a totally different job. My exposure came from those times that I went downstairs at Troop F and would see the Detectives pained looks as they dealt with the case and all the fallout from Fred's behavior. I do not have first hand experience from that time frame.
However, I have worked many cases similar enough to know that the grief, anger, and literal torture that victims families go through is something that none of us can possibly fathom. As a Father myself I can't even imagine the Hell this man lives in.
That being said, I will agree that the way he acted was at least in part due to his grief and the absence of answers about what happened to his daughter. I give him alot of leeway considering his loss. However it surely didn't make the case easy to investigate, in my opinion.
My gut has always told me that he carries enormous grief from his loss, and he also is overwhelmed with Guilt for whatever he believes he did that may have been responsible for Maura's dissapearance. I think the combination of grief, loss, and guilt was what caused him to act the way he did.
Just my opinion.

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JWB wrote:

<quoted text>Broken glass or Missing daughter-IF you could choose one, which one would you choose?

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FrmLE wrote:

Well, I should clarify that based on my experience dealing with grief stricken parents I give Fred alot of leeway, however that does not mean I give him a pass.
The thing to remember is the people whose property he trampled on probably didn't have a clue about Fred, Maura, or the case at all. All they know is some guy was tresspassing on their property and causing them alot of aggravation. They did not have the benefit of perspective nor was it their job to sympathize with victims of crimes.
I still think his behavior was suspect, over the top and counterproductive, but since I can not possibly understand what he was going through I try to give as much leeway as possible.
I will leave it at that.

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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This is a ridiculous premise. So by your thinking, if the broken glass severed someones limb they would still be ahead on the balance sheet compared to a lost daughter, correct?
This is seriously broken thinking. He had no business being on someones property without permission. Period!
And FrmLE, you were shacks hero for almost an hour. Till you clarified. 8-) I suspect your back to being on her crap list again. That's OK. Your in excellent company.
Bill

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jwb wrote:

ha Bill puts more weight on a dumb dog freeking out than a missing Girl. That says Volumes of who you are Bill.

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GrampaMo wrote:

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Are you saying that if I have a missing child then that gives me a free pass to break the law, be rude and insulting and the right to disrespect the people that live there by trespassing on their land without their permission? You haven't done your homework if you think no wrong was done. Keep reading....backwards till you find it.

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GrampaMo wrote:

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Are you saying that if I have a missing child then that gives me a free pass to break the law, be rude and insulting and the right to disrespect the people that live there by trespassing on their land without their permission? You haven't done your homework if you think no wrong was done. Keep reading....backwards till you find it.