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rozShoem wrote:
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Are you serious? I'd read that the officer who came to the accident scene later became chief of HPD....but I do not recognize the name above. In any event, people are only human...and I can see how someone might get a dwi/dui. Please tell me though that you are making up the part about the high speed chase. This can't be true. Right?
Bill, are you still around? I was just reading old posts and was very impressed with your input.

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BlondeMN wrote:
( you don't have to be such a know it all b*tch though).
My sincere apologies that was not my intent.
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Whoops,
Question was directed to Bill 05478.

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BlondeMN wrote:
I guess what I'm saying is, although if I were in his situation I would tell the police everything they needed to know, I can see why FM didn't want to talk about Maura's criminal record.
This part of your post is pretty much half of the forum's theme. No one would ever do what FM did, but they can understand why he did it.

I understand what you are trying to say. His actions don't seem like they were the most logical choices. People can say what they are going to do when pressed in that situation, but they aren't actaully in FM's position. I get that part. But after a while it gets old. Very old. I think eventually questions should be asked and questions should be answered.
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Orko Kringer wrote:
. As far as I can tell, Mt. Tripyramid is closest to where she wrecked and would be an ideal spot for her to arrive at and find lodging close by for the night before setting off the in morning on the trails.
From Rt 116 you can not get to Tripyramid at that time of year. The road from Lincoln over to Waterville Valley (Tripoli Rd) is closed in the Winter and the only other way to get to the valley is to go South on 93 down to Campton and take Rt 49 into Waterville Valley.

Just a FYI
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Although, I think you may be able to access the trail from the Kanc (Rt 112), but I am pretty sure that is not a wnter trail, I could be wrong my memory may fail me on this.

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FrmLE

I will admit, I am neither a hiking enthusiast or one that is that familiar with that area.

I was just going off of maps and directions.

Obviously, Maura had been to that area before as well as other mountains and trails in the white mountains.

But I don't know (doubt) that she had ever gone by herself before and departed from the amherst area before.

I know just looking at google maps for instance, If I was wanting to go to Mt. tripyrmaid or that area and I was coming from UMASS, the most logical route on google maps would have me taking the 302 exit off of I-91 and then going through the 112 like maura was doing before she had her second wreck.
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Winter Routes: NHFours adds: "In winter it is much more common to climb the Tripyramids from the Kanc [aka Kancamangus Highway, NH-SR 112], either by Sabbaday Brook or Pine Bend Brook trails. Neither is easy. Sabbaday Brook Trail has several stream crossings which can be 'interesting' in early winter when they are open with icy rocks. There is a steep slide on Sabbaday Brooks Trail, Pine Bend Brook Trail has an 'ascending traverse' of a steep slope."
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NH Hiker wrote:
Winter Routes: NHFours adds: "In winter it is much more common to climb the Tripyramids from the Kanc [aka Kancamangus Highway, NH-SR 112], either by Sabbaday Brook or Pine Bend Brook trails. Neither is easy. Sabbaday Brook Trail has several stream crossings which can be 'interesting' in early winter when they are open with icy rocks. There is a steep slide on Sabbaday Brooks Trail, Pine Bend Brook Trail has an 'ascending traverse' of a steep slope."
If one were to hike according to what is written in the hiking guide, one would wind up dead right quick. The trail from that side is downright treacherous in anything other than mid summer (dry) season.

But hey, anyone with google can be an expert at anything, right.
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Simply Caustic wrote:
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How am I wrong? I stated that the misdemeanor conviction (which wasn't even a conviction, but rather, was suspended sentencing pending a 3 month clean-slate) was not LIKELY to get her kicked out of school. I never said that it was impossible. But I know this: There are nurses who have had DUIs. I've seen them seek treatment for addiction issues. I have seen them continue on at their place of employment (with added restraints and restrictions, true). I'm merely stating that a simple misdemeanor arrest was not likely to have an effect upon her schooling.
I work as a ASA in Chicago so I'm quite aware of the minutae of a morals clause. I have one as a rider to my contract w/ my work. Contractual law is not my thing, but I will say this - anything and everything is usually covered in there. They make damned sure that nearly any situation is covered in respect to that - same thing w/ nursing school, I would imagine. Although they have the ABILITY to suspend/discharge her from nursing school - would they? They accepted her after the West Point shenanigans, no? Who was planning on reporting this arrest, this violation of said morals clause, TO the nursing school? How would they find out?
I think it makes much more sense to think that, distraught over the FEASIBILITY of jeopardizing her scholarships/enrollment, in addition to the possible pending criminal charges stemming from a DUI, she ran. Why is it necessary, in any way, to think that she was FOR SURE getting kicked out of school?
I think, at best, it's a very remote possibility.
It doesn´t have anything to do with law. Just school policy. Read the exact wording in the School of Nursing Undergraduate Handbook. Terminating an already RN. The alleged West Point incident is not applicable since it never got outside of WP and wasn´t even in WP records since she was given the choice to leave.
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Simply Caustic wrote:
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You bring up a good point. I wonder if the victim had lodged some form of a complaint with the student housing authority, and it was slowly working it's way though the channels - and Maura had a feeling that she was on the verge of getting kicked out?
I´m aware this post wasn´t directed at me, but a couple years ago on the long topix thread that got deleted, there was a poster who claimed to have been a dorm neighbor of Maura´s. She posted the RA was aware of the CC fraud, and it was indeed working it´s way through the channels.
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http://www.umass.edu/dean_students/codeofcond...

"Students may be accountable to both civil authorities and to the University for acts which constitute violations of law and of the CSC. Disciplinary action at the University will normally proceed during the pendency of criminal proceedings and will not be subject to challenge on the ground that criminal charges involving the same incident have been dismissed or reduced. When a student has been charged by a civil authority for a violation of law, the University will neither request nor agree to special consideration for the student solely because of his or her status as a student."

If I am reading this correctly, It appears that the university could take action even though the Incident may have been reduced or dropped in the civil system. The University is independent of the findings of the civil system.

Maybe Maura knew that she was going to be kicked out of school regardless of the Toyota crash and that is why her dorm room was packed up and she wanted a newer vehicle in order for her to get away in sort of speak. Maura couldn't face her family with that embarrassing news.
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JWB wrote:
http://www.umass.edu/dean_students/codeofcond...
"Students may be accountable to both civil authorities and to the University for acts which constitute violations of law and of the CSC. Disciplinary action at the University will normally proceed during the pendency of criminal proceedings and will not be subject to challenge on the ground that criminal charges involving the same incident have been dismissed or reduced. When a student has been charged by a civil authority for a violation of law, the University will neither request nor agree to special consideration for the student solely because of his or her status as a student."
If I am reading this correctly, It appears that the university could take action even though the Incident may have been reduced or dropped in the civil system. The University is independent of the findings of the civil system.
Maybe Maura knew that she was going to be kicked out of school regardless of the Toyota crash and that is why her dorm room was packed up and she wanted a newer vehicle in order for her to get away in sort of speak. Maura couldn't face her family with that embarrassing news.
On top of UMass regulations, the School of Nursing has their own, much harsher, policies. Which, has I have posted before, can be read in the Scool of Nursing UNdergraduate Handbook. Google UMass Scxhool of Nursing, then click on Students, then Undergraduate Handbook. I´m still curios to know just when Fred found out about the CC stuff.
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hannah_b wrote:
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On top of UMass regulations, the School of Nursing has their own, much harsher, policies. Which, has I have posted before, can be read in the Scool of Nursing UNdergraduate Handbook. Google UMass Scxhool of Nursing, then click on Students, then Undergraduate Handbook. I´m still curios to know just when Fred found out about the CC stuff.
Hannah - I did read that first but, didn't see anything as far as discipline of being kicked out of school. Can you post it what you want us to see?

I think what I posted implies that Maura may have been kicked out of school regardless of the 3 month period that Amherst PD gave her regarding her charge.

Thanks
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Hannah -you tell us to go read to back up your postings yet it would be best to just post(link) what you are trying to get us to see.

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For instance hannah- i have read many articles about sar dogs etc and they all point to better scenting in the winter yet you didn't give any info to support your point? Not picking on you Hannah but it would be helpful to back up your points.

AIR SCENT DOGS

"The air scent dog is the type most frequently encountered. This dog finds lost people by picking up traces of human scent that are drifting in the air, and looks for the "cone" of scent where it is most concentrated. This dog will not normally discriminate scents, so there is the possibility of a "false alarm" if other people (searchers, citizens) are nearby. Airscent dogs work best in situations such as large parks or private lands that are closed at the time, since the dog will home in on any human scent. The success of an air scent dog will be affected by a number of factors, including wind conditions, air temperature, time of day, terrain, and presence or absence of contamination (auto exhaust, smoke, etc.). The best conditions for air scent dogs to work are early mornings or late afternoons on cool, cloudy days when there is a light wind."
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Hannah- your point about the handbook is a very good one. I just think if you pick up the ball and support it with links etc you can drive your point home better. That's all i am saying.

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JWB wrote:
For instance hannah- i have read many articles about sar dogs etc and they all point to better scenting in the winter yet you didn't give any info to support your point? Not picking on you Hannah but it would be helpful to back up your points.
AIR SCENT DOGS
"The air scent dog is the type most frequently encountered. This dog finds lost people by picking up traces of human scent that are drifting in the air, and looks for the "cone" of scent where it is most concentrated. This dog will not normally discriminate scents, so there is the possibility of a "false alarm" if other people (searchers, citizens) are nearby. Airscent dogs work best in situations such as large parks or private lands that are closed at the time, since the dog will home in on any human scent. The success of an air scent dog will be affected by a number of factors, including wind conditions, air temperature, time of day, terrain, and presence or absence of contamination (auto exhaust, smoke, etc.). The best conditions for air scent dogs to work are early mornings or late afternoons on cool, cloudy days when there is a light wind."
I get your point, Jwb. When it comes to dogs, tracking and air scent work, my main source is my own experience, and in some cases what I learned in classes, not printed or online sources.
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JWB wrote:
Hannah- your point about the handbook is a very good one. I just think if you pick up the ball and support it with links etc you can drive your point home better. That's all i am saying.
I certainly do get your point, and you´re absolutely right. I should have linked and quoted. However, I am having major problems with my internet connection which is terribly slow, and I haven´t been able to fully download the handbook pdf file. Will keep trying. Thanks for your input, Jwb. It is appreciated.

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