Maura Murray

hannah_b wrote:

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I certainly do get your point, and you´re absolutely right. I should have linked and quoted. However, I am having major problems with my internet connection which is terribly slow, and I haven´t been able to fully download the handbook pdf file. Will keep trying. Thanks for your input, Jwb. It is appreciated.

Thats ok Hannah- I really think you hit a great point . I never looked at he handbook until you mentioned it and it really does offer
great info as to Mauras possible fate from the CC fraud.

hannah_b wrote:

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I get your point, Jwb. When it comes to dogs, tracking and air scent work, my main source is my own experience, and in some cases what I learned in classes, not printed or online sources.

I don't have any experience with the dogs etc so I can only go by what I read also. When i read several articles that say a certain thing then I guess that might be the right answer. IDK- any how no big deal really.

You try and listen and learn and then go read for yourself and sometimes the two don't jive is all.

all is good Hannah :)

I found some interesting news tonight and am posting links in random order. It looks like this man you'll be reading about was using the missing and murdered womans debit card to extort ransom money from her father,~in several states. He may be the roomer that lived with the missing Celena Cass family. It's bizarre and leads to charges of a missing and remains to be found, VT couple. It also enters NH and one link will show that police, FBI will be checking to see if this man had anything to do with MM missing, and Louise Chaput.
I'll enter the info in my next post. Sorry it's so scrambled, but I am tired. Google the names you'll find to read the progression of each case he may be involved in. This man has a construction site and some evidence from various places he's known to have, along with places he's been known to stay at has been coming to light.

Bill & Lorraine Currier Missing in Vermont, Last Seen at Their Jobs in Burlington, VT on 6/8/11 (Update: Car Found)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php...
Newschannel Five also spoke to Linda Pratt, an old friend of Lorraine Currier's, who said she ran into Lorraine two months ago. Pratt said Lorraine told her she was scared of a man she was somehow acquainted with.
"She never mentioned a name. She just said, "This guy ... at this point, I'm scared to death of him. It's like he's stalking me,'" Pratt said.
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20120729/N...
Information about a man charged in the random kidnapping and murder of an 18-year-old girl in Alaska in February has been shared with investigators in New Hampshire, according to Senior Assistant Attorney General Jane Young.
The man, Israel Keyes, 34, is also reported to be a person of interest in the random abduction and murder of an Essex, Vt., couple who disappeared last year, the month before 11-year-old Celina Cass was found slain in West Stewartstown.
Keyes came to the public's attention in New England nine days ago when Vermont's U.S. attorney, Tristram Coffin, held a news conference to say Bill and Lorraine Currier, the couple from Essex who had mysteriously disappeared in June 2011, had in fact been randomly abducted and murdered.
Burlington, Vt.-based WCAX-TV reported the suspect's identity as Israel Keyes, citing anonymous sources, according to its website. The station reported that Keyes told authorities where they could find the Curriers' bodies in Vermont while he was being questioned in Alaska about the Feb. 1 murder of Samantha Koenig, 18, in Anchorage.
Two other cases have baffled investigators in the North Country over the years,
Maura Murray was a 21-year-old University of Massachusetts nursing student when she disappeared on Route 112 in Haverhill after a minor car crash on Feb. 9, 2004. According to the New Hampshire State Police website, her disappearance is being treated as suspicious.
New Hampshire Sunday News
Dozens of volunteers helped search for kidnapped barista Samantha Koenig, 18, in Anchorage on Monday, Feb. 6, 2012. Koenig was abducted while working at the Common Grounds Espresso coffee stand on Tudor Road on Feb. 1.(Bill Roth/ Anchorage Daily News)
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-alaska-baris...
The FBI and the Anchorage Police Department (APD) are seeking additional information in connection with the disappearance of Samantha Koenig in Anchorage on 02/01/2012. Israel Keyes is a person of interest and is being held in federal custody.
The tearful father of missing Alaska teenager Samantha Koenig abducted by an armed man said that she filed a protective order against a man in November but was too scared to follow it through.
In November, Samantha Koenig filed the protective order, but she did not show up for a hearing and the order was never issued.

Please start with this link. It will make more sense that way.

July 28. 2012 7:54PM

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20120729/N...

Man held in Alaska suspect in Vt. murders month before Celina Cass went missing

http://www.wcax.com/story/19073463/new-detail...

This link made news July 20th, 2012

Just me--paris wrote:

http://www.wcax.com/story/1907 3463/new-details-on-suspect-in -currier-murders
This link made news July 20th, 2012

Paris...that's an interesting story in many ways. Silky emailed me once that she saw a contractor truck with NY plates hanging out near the WB site on more than one occasion. I think she even got the license plate number at the time which would have been '06.

Then there's the guy with NY plates asking about Maura at the Stage Stop, spring of '07.

The below post is from Renner's blog. Does anyone agree or disagree with this post? Judging on the lack of posters there might be some truth to the point this poster is trying to make:

"Maybe its just me, but reading the police report about Maura left a really bad taste in my mouth. I can certainly understand how somebody, especially a young adult, can have a momentary lapse of judgment and have one too many drinks at a party and drive or get into a fight and get arrested. But this credit card fraud required a fairly signficant amount of premeditation. She had to decide to steal the card information and then decide to use it fraudulently multiple times - for her own benefit. I know its not alot of money, but she had to know she was in effect stealing from someone. It really raises a question for me of her morals (or lack thereof). Obviously Maura didn't deserve what happened to her (if indeed something tragic did happen) but today she is a much less sympathetic figure in my eyes. Perhaps this is why Fred is keeping so much secret? The truth was Maura wasn't so sweet and innocent and her past does not reflect well on her memory."

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

The below post is from Renner's blog. Does anyone agree or disagree with this post? Judging on the lack of posters there might be some truth to the point this poster is trying to make:
"Maybe its just me, but reading the police report about Maura left a really bad taste in my mouth. I can certainly understand how somebody, especially a young adult, can have a momentary lapse of judgment and have one too many drinks at a party and drive or get into a fight and get arrested. But this credit card fraud required a fairly signficant amount of premeditation. She had to decide to steal the card information and then decide to use it fraudulently multiple times - for her own benefit. I know its not alot of money, but she had to know she was in effect stealing from someone. It really raises a question for me of her morals (or lack thereof). Obviously Maura didn't deserve what happened to her (if indeed something tragic did happen) but today she is a much less sympathetic figure in my eyes. Perhaps this is why Fred is keeping so much secret? The truth was Maura wasn't so sweet and innocent and her past does not reflect well on her memory."

I guess everyone left to find a forum to discuss missing people who are perfect.

Maura's UMASS email began with mmurr0. There is an email address on ebay with the same mmurr0 from Canada. Join date was Oct 27,2005.

Similar writing style as the Jigger Johnson blog she wrote in 1998.

mcsmom wrote:

Maura's UMASS email began with mmurr0. There is an email address on ebay with the same mmurr0 from Canada. Join date was Oct 27,2005.
Similar writing style as the Jigger Johnson blog she wrote in 1998.

Also similar writing styles in the feedback section. Notice no one mentions what they purchased. Nor is there a history for items sold. Probably the same person that crafted the "I saw Maura in Canada story & said hi." This turd was posted on Renner's site back in April. Why not send this turd, ur, I mean tip to NHSP.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

The below post is from Renner's blog. Does anyone agree or disagree with this post? Judging on the lack of posters there might be some truth to the point this poster is trying to make:
"Maybe its just me, but reading the police report about Maura left a really bad taste in my mouth. I can certainly understand how somebody, especially a young adult, can have a momentary lapse of judgment and have one too many drinks at a party and drive or get into a fight and get arrested. But this credit card fraud required a fairly signficant amount of premeditation. She had to decide to steal the card information and then decide to use it fraudulently multiple times - for her own benefit. I know its not alot of money, but she had to know she was in effect stealing from someone. It really raises a question for me of her morals (or lack thereof). Obviously Maura didn't deserve what happened to her (if indeed something tragic did happen) but today she is a much less sympathetic figure in my eyes. Perhaps this is why Fred is keeping so much secret? The truth was Maura wasn't so sweet and innocent and her past does not reflect well on her memory."

I think the CC fraud, stealing a relatively small amount of money and buying food, pretty much screams severe eating disorder to me. I´m pretty convinced she was binge eating at these occasions. Stealing the money to buy the food is, I believe, a way of distancing oneself from the binge eating/eating disorder, which is often very shameful to the person suffering from it. I´m certainly no expert in this field, but from what I heard, read and views in tv documentaries on the subject, I believe her behavior is far from unusual for someone suffering from severe bulimia with periodic binge eating. I think Maura was in dire need of preofessional help. I don´t believe she was really a bad person for doing this.

mcsmom wrote:

Maura's UMASS email began with mmurr0. There is an email address on ebay with the same mmurr0 from Canada. Join date was Oct 27,2005.
Similar writing style as the Jigger Johnson blog she wrote in 1998.

Instead of just throwing this out into the forum can you explain what it is you are trying to say. What have you done with this info besides putting it on Topix? Is LE aware of it?

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Yep. No chance that she might be suicidal. No chance at all.
All that bullshit that the family kept saying repeatedly through the years. All the people, particularly those disgusting ones, who repeatedly insisted how "someone" stole Maura. What a total load of unadorned bullshit. As many of us have said since day one. The biggest piece of information that was needed was why Maura was running from school and what else was she running from. That would tell us her state of mind. I wonder what people think now? Serial killer or suicidal? This car crash, straw that broke the camels back? Or someone who has all her shit together, just out to spend a few days away from school?
Bill

Agreed. I'm not positive that she actually did commit suicide, but, I truly believe she was running away and it was in her thoughts. The "All American Girl" that has been portrayed of her is off. I'm not judging her... she was just a young girl, who made some mistakes, however, she did have some obvious issues going on at the time of her dissapearance and I think the pressure got to her. It's also always been a question of mine as to whether she suffered any type of Mental Illness. I've heard various reports of her being Bulimic, which seems to fit and is actually something more associated with a type of Mental Issue than people realize. She had to have been purposely trying to run away and quite possibly planning to commit suicide.

mcsmom wrote:

Maura's UMASS email began with mmurr0. There is an email address on ebay with the same mmurr0 from Canada. Join date was Oct 27,2005.
Similar writing style as the Jigger Johnson blog she wrote in 1998.

That's unbelievable!

To me It appears way more likely that she was planning on running away rather than killing herself.
I still don't see how people can actually think that she was planning on climbing a mountain to drink herself to death; like that would be a peaceful, almost romantic way to kill herself. That would be an absolutely awful way to die if you think about it.
As far as I've ever heard Maura only climbed these mts in the summer, and she clearly thought they were rather difficult during summertime. What would make her think that now she could climb it in winter? She also brought absolutely no winter gear, she didn't even have hiking boots, she brought flats. What was she gonna do climb a 4000' peak wearing jeans and flats?? Barely making it halfway up a mountain and then freezing to death while trying to drink hardly sounds like a peaceful way to die. I don't know much about suicides but I defineteley have read that most people try to make themselves comfortable for the act.

She also only brought wine, vodka, Kahlua and Tylenol PM; That is hardly a lethal cocktail by any means. Sounds like she drank a lot, a box of wine and some black russians aren't really going to kill her. Tylenol Pm isn't exactly a suicide pill either; your more likely to die from liver failure due to the acetiminophen overdose than from the sleep aid in those pills. She lived at Umass, she could've found almost any pill she wanted on that campus wouldn't someone who's planning suicide rather get some oxycontin or xanax or some pill that actually kills people?
Going by what she brought with her to NH I find it hard to believe that suicide was her plan when she left Umass.
I suppose it's possible the accident changed the intent of her trip but I find it pretty hard to believe that she decided to kill herself because she got into another accident. Who's ever heard of someone who committed suicide because she crashed a car? even if it was her second accident in a few days that seems like a pretty big leap of logic to say that the accident caused her to be suicidal, it actually sounds completely ridiculous. Also after the accident she only brought the bottle of Kahlua and vodka with her; so it doesn't appear that she was planning on drinking herself to death. Who drinks themselves to death with black russians?? is that even possible?

The comment Fred said about "going to the top of a mt to drink himself to death" is just weird, come on, who the hell says something like that to his children?? But that hardly indicates that Maura was suicidal.
In fact, in the first days it's pretty clear that the family believed that Maura had run away. Pretty much all of their comments to the media indicate this.

Maura had made several comments in the past about her desire to run away and start a new life, the comment she said to her track coach BF is a good example of this. So we have several statements indicating a desire to run away but absolutely none that indicate she was suicidal. I've never heard anyone say that she ever expressed a desire to kill herself.

Judging from everything that we know it just seems that suicide is the least likely theory; It doesn't sound like she went to NH to commit suicide and it seems unlikely that a minor accident sent her over the edge. IMO its way more likely that she ran away.
In reality it's not that difficult to run away if you don't want to be found, particularly for a pretty girl like Maura. All she would have to to is not get a job on the books and not get arrested and brought in for fingerprints. But even still; are the NHSP checking with the IRS to make sure she isn't paying taxes? Are they still doing this?? Does she have a warrant out for her arrest? Even a warrant for her CC charge would still only show if she got arrested in Mass. She could have been arrested in CT and mass & NH would have absolutely no idea unless they are still checking records.

I just see no indication she committed suicide.

Mr Waterman didn't even bother to bring alcohol to commit suicide. He knew it wasn't necessary, I suspect Maura might not have known. I'm sure the alcohol and Tylenol could have been used as an insurance policy, to make sure, but it wasn't necessary if that was her intent.

Bill

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/02/20/us/guy-wate...

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

To me It appears way more likely that she was planning on running away rather than killing herself.
I still don't see how people can actually think that she was planning on climbing a mountain to drink herself to death; like that would be a peaceful, almost romantic way to kill herself. That would be an absolutely awful way to die if you think about it.
Barely making it halfway up a mountain and then freezing to death while trying to drink hardly sounds like a peaceful way to die. I don't know much about suicides but I defineteley have read that most people try to make themselves comfortable for the act.
She also only brought wine, vodka, Kahlua and Tylenol PM; That is hardly a lethal cocktail by any means. Sounds like she drank a lot, a box of wine and some black russians aren't really going to kill her. Tylenol Pm isn't exactly a suicide pill either; your more likely to die from liver failure due to the acetiminophen overdose than from the sleep aid in those pills. She lived at Umass, she could've found almost any pill she wanted on that campus wouldn't someone who's planning suicide rather get some oxycontin or xanax or some pill that actually kills people?
Going by what she brought with her to NH I find it hard to believe that suicide was her plan when she left Umass.
I suppose it's possible the accident changed the intent of her trip but I find it pretty hard to believe that she decided to kill herself because she got into another accident. Who's ever heard of someone who committed suicide because she crashed a car? even if it was her second accident in a few days that seems like a pretty big leap of logic to say that the accident caused her to be suicidal, it actually sounds completely ridiculous. Also after the accident she only brought the bottle of Kahlua and vodka with her; so it doesn't appear that she was planning on drinking herself to death. Who drinks themselves to death with black russians?? is that even possible?
The comment Fred said about "going to the top of a mt to drink himself to death" is just weird, come on, who the hell says something like that to his children?? But that hardly indicates that Maura was suicidal.
In fact, in the first days it's pretty clear that the family believed that Maura had run away. Pretty much all of their comments to the media indicate this.
Maura had made several comments in the past about her desire to run away and start a new life, the comment she said to her track coach BF is a good example of this. So we have several statements indicating a desire to run away but absolutely none that indicate she was suicidal. I've never heard anyone say that she ever expressed a desire to kill herself.
Judging from everything that we know it just seems that suicide is the least likely theory; It doesn't sound like she went to NH to commit suicide and it seems unlikely that a minor accident sent her over the edge. IMO its way more likely that she ran away.
In reality it's not that difficult to run away if you don't want to be found, particularly for a pretty girl like Maura. Are they still doing this?? Does she have a warrant out for her arrest? Even a warrant for her CC charge would still only show if she got arrested in Mass. She could have been arrested in CT and mass & NH would have absolutely no idea unless they are still checking records.
I just see no indication she committed suicide.

Jenkins welcome back.
I don't know what you mean by runaway. Do you mean run away to start a new life and break ties to disappear?
Or do you mean runaway to a place that you are hoping will raise your happiness and try to help you regain sanity and return shortly?

Thanks Lighthouse

When I said run away I was referring to her running away and starting a new life, which she had expressed a desire to do, according to some of her friends and family. When her ex bf, the track coach, heard that she was missing he thought to himself that she might have actually done it.
It seems pretty clear that in the first few days/couple weeks this is what the family thought that she had done. If you listen to all their early quotes to the media they were asking for her to come back, which they would only say if they thought she voluntarily had run away.
What I'm saying is that if you look at what is known about Maura, and what she brought with her for her trip, the "climb to the top of a mountain to drink herself to death" theory is absolutely ridiculous. The suicide theory all together seems like a big stretch, it seems much more likely that she would have ran off and started a new life, which she had expressed a desire to do.

WTH-the-original wrote:

Mr Waterman didn't even bother to bring alcohol to commit suicide. He knew it wasn't necessary, I suspect Maura might not have known. I'm sure the alcohol and Tylenol could have been used as an insurance policy, to make sure, but it wasn't necessary if that was her intent.
Bill
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/02/20/us/guy-wate...

Bill that's a silly comparison. That guy was a hardcore outdoor enthusiast. It says right in that article you linked that he climbed all 48 of nh's 4000' "in winter, from all four sides". The guy was an avid winter climber even writing about tips for winter climbing.

Maura hiked in the summer, she didn't climb mts in the winter; that's two very different things. She also thought that climbing the mts in the summer time was very challenging. Now she just thinks that she can climb the same mountain in the winter wearing Jeans and flats?? She doesn't even bring hiking boots?
Do a little research, I garauntee Waterman used some sort of gear to insure he made it to the top of the mountain before letting himself die. There's no way he put on a pair of jeans and loafers, left his gloves in his car and just walked up mt Lafayette in February, no way in hell.

There is just no way that this was Maura's plan, no way. Saying she was suicidal at all is already a stretch but I can maybe see that, to say that she was planning on climbing to the top of a mt in Feb to drink herself to death is just absolutely ridiculous and it defies all logic

Comparin her to one of the most hardcore winter mt climbers in the north country is a real stretch