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Snowy wrote:
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yep. that's right. scoop, stuff and dump with all the other bodies. and a sterile crime scene left behind. yeah, that's it!
There are reasons as to why it may have appeared to be a "sterile" crime scene, Snowy. Sometimes when a vehicle hits a person, the body can soar through the air for several feet. Also, if I recall there was quite a time lapse before much effort was launched for a serious search for Maura. She was fully dressed in dark clothing...most likely wearing a backpack, black jacket and jeans. Unless there was head injury (laceration, etc) there may not have been a lot of blood. Also, any last minute attempts for the driver to brake, or signs of a car fish-tailing, swerving in an attempt to brake make have disappeared due to snow removal (snow plow) or falling snow/wind. Use your creativity, imagination and common sense, Snowy. I know you have all of these qualities, attributes....it's just that you do not exercise them frequently. Please try....and please redirect to forum topic.
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Bill 05478 wrote:
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Well what is your theory Einstein? We are just tossing out possibilities and here you go again attacking with insults because they don't agree with your theory. Whatever BITCH!!!
Bill 05478,
I know that it's sometimes difficult to be patient with Snowy...as she can at times be most critical in a nonconstructive way. She means well but it seems that she may have learned all too well what she's lived. Still, try to be kind to her. Please exercise patience. Thanks.
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Bill 05478 wrote:
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Well what is your theory Einstein? We are just tossing out possibilities and here you go again attacking with insults because they don't agree with your theory. Whatever BITCH!!!
old stuff. rehash. pointless.
these are not insults, by the way; just an opinion and a reality check for ya.
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rozShoem wrote:
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There are reasons as to why it may have appeared to be a "sterile" crime scene, Snowy. Sometimes when a vehicle hits a person, the body can soar through the air for several feet. Also, if I recall there was quite a time lapse before much effort was launched for a serious search for Maura. She was fully dressed in dark clothing...most likely wearing a backpack, black jacket and jeans. Unless there was head injury (laceration, etc) there may not have been a lot of blood. Also, any last minute attempts for the driver to brake, or signs of a car fish-tailing, swerving in an attempt to brake make have disappeared due to snow removal (snow plow) or falling snow/wind. Use your creativity, imagination and common sense, Snowy. I know you have all of these qualities, attributes....it's just that you do not exercise them frequently. Please try....and please redirect to forum topic.
i am impressed with your recoverable writing ability....somehow, overnight. lol
the obvious, the less obvious, and all manner of fictional possibilities have been discussed here and elsewhere.
fact is, there is no new content in many pages here. and the danger with idle minds is the simmering lynch mob mentality which is, once again, evident.
seems the good folks on topix won't be satisfied until someone is hung in the town square.
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hannah_b wrote:
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The knife owner and his brother have been extensively discussed on several fora. The name was first posted on one of the deleted topix threads by a poster who claimed to be a relative of the knife owners girlfriend. The posts on Advocate´s old forum are still available for perusal.
I got a few possible name of your "suspect" by googling the last name and Woodsville. I then searched several different public record listings and found a few possible fb accounts. On checking those out, I decided it couldn´t be any of the other guys with the same last name. So, anyone could have found it.
And - if I was a local, which I am not - would there be anything wrong with being a local?
hannah b, I do recall the posts you refer to and the names being used by the girlfriend. Yes, I also googled the name of the person referred to by Bill03785. Also, it can be tough being local and hearing so much 'stuff', it creates a mindset of closing down! That is an unfortunate symptom in Mauras disappearance.
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sorry for double

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Snowy wrote:
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i am impressed with your recoverable writing ability....somehow, overnight. lol
the obvious, the less obvious, and all manner of fictional possibilities have been discussed here and elsewhere.
fact is, there is no new content in many pages here. and the danger with idle minds is the simmering lynch mob mentality which is, once again, evident.
seems the good folks on topix won't be satisfied until someone is hung in the town square.
Well in that case don't chime in if you have already heard it, because some haven't and maybe just maybe they might have some insight into it. Some people probably don't write on here for the simple fact that if they do they may get crucified by you and a few others because what they have to say does not agree with your opinions, or because you heard it before and don't believe it. Just ignore the ones you have heard before or give your possible take on it to give some of the new people insight into this, instead of being so negative. You are not dumb in fact i find you quite intelligent, so your input into these conversations on a positive note rather than bitchin' because you heard it before maybe helpful and useful to us who haven't been on here as long as yourself.

Sometimes by rehashing things you remember things that you didn't otherwise remember before. Take RF for instance he did not remember 10 days after the accident when interviewed by HPD what night he may have seen a female running 4-5 miles up the road from the car. But 2 months later he did finally put 2 and 2 together. This only after seeing the repeated news coverage of the case.
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keep in mind, Bill05478, my comments are not personally directed. i don't know most of you.
i am opposed to the repetition of hysterical and unrealistic fear-mongering, which has been at the core of this topic for some years. NH is reasonably "safe" by nearly every standard.
i am, in addition, opposed to the delight evidenced by the harming of others via unfounded accusations without proof. if proof exists, it belongs in the hands of authorities, not on topix.
irreparable harm has previously been acted upon in the case of the SBD, and the potential for the same remains as long as the lynch mob knows no boundaries.
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rozShoem wrote:
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Snowy,
Please try to be more attentive when you read...note that I used the word "possibility" on more than one occasion regarding the H & R Theory. Even the word "theory" should tell you something... Slow down and do not be so anxious to give your negative critique. Please redirect yourself to the topic of this forum. Thanks.
Yes. Be attentive rozShoem. Especially to the evidence. No witness reported a metal to metal car crash. Heard, seen or otherwise. No reports of debris found on road from crash.

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Snowy wrote:
keep in mind, Bill05478, my comments are not personally directed. i don't know most of you.
i am opposed to the repetition of hysterical and unrealistic fear-mongering, which has been at the core of this topic for some years. NH is reasonably "safe" by nearly every standard.
i am, in addition, opposed to the delight evidenced by the harming of others via unfounded accusations without proof. if proof exists, it belongs in the hands of authorities, not on topix.
irreparable harm has previously been acted upon in the case of the SBD, and the potential for the same remains as long as the lynch mob knows no boundaries.
That is why I kept the person's name out of it, but someone else shot it out there rather than keeping it to herself when she figured it out. I don't want any lynch mob here that is why I backed off this particular individual for now, and started looking at other hypothetical's and trying to keep an open mind to all other scenarios except alien abductions. As I stated earlier today I think I worded things the wrong way so people immediately took offense. All I was trying to do in that case was present a scenario and see quite possibly if someone was hearing the same things I was from residents in that area. If I offended anyone or pissed anyone off I apologize because it was not my intent at all. You know as well as I do there are countless scenarios, many of which we don't even have a clue as the SPD keeps it quiet so as not to compromise the investigation. But, also keep in mind I am over there frequently and my boys live there and have for almost 14 years now, so in some cases I have more access than some to what is going on within that town.

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Stephen wrote:
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Yes. Be attentive rozShoem. Especially to the evidence. No witness reported a metal to metal car crash. Heard, seen or otherwise. No reports of debris found on road from crash.
We will pray for you too.
Stephen you also left out the fact that there was a rag in her tailpipe which they say came from her trunk, and the people who reconstructed the accident said there was no way the snow bank caused that damage to the front of her car, they said it almost looked staged. Just what I heard.

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Bill 05478 wrote:
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Well in that case don't chime in if you have already heard it, because some haven't and maybe just maybe they might have some insight into it. Some people probably don't write on here for the simple fact that if they do they may get crucified by you and a few others because what they have to say does not agree with your opinions, or because you heard it before and don't believe it. Just ignore the ones you have heard before or give your possible take on it to give some of the new people insight into this, instead of being so negative. You are not dumb in fact i find you quite intelligent, so your input into these conversations on a positive note rather than bitchin' because you heard it before maybe helpful and useful to us who haven't been on here as long as yourself.
Sometimes by rehashing things you remember things that you didn't otherwise remember before. Take RF for instance he did not remember 10 days after the accident when interviewed by HPD what night he may have seen a female running 4-5 miles up the road from the car. But 2 months later he did finally put 2 and 2 together. This only after seeing the repeated news coverage of the case.
there is nothing noble about coming to a forum, as you and others have, to fingerpoint.
if you think it is acceptable, then we part ways right there.
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i just read a particularly sincere post from you.....though it seems to have disappeared.??
anyway, on that note, i have expressed to you and others my greatest concerns about this forum, and now choose to back off a bit....to give you space.
likewise, i trust you will be careful about repeating only what can be verified. deal?
rozShoem

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Stephen wrote:
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Yes. Be attentive rozShoem. Especially to the evidence. No witness reported a metal to metal car crash. Heard, seen or otherwise. No reports of debris found on road from crash.
We will pray for you too.
Stephen,
I was not questioning the possibility of "metal to metal." I was considering the possibility that because it was a dark evening and Maura had been wearing dark clothing, that she may have been a victim of a hit and run accident. The dog lost scent near the intersection of Bradley Hill Road and Route 112 (maybe in the intersection). If hit by a car, their might be a thud, but not much more. If people were in their houses (if houses were nearby) chances are they would have heard nothing. A lot of scenario might have ensued had this been the case....especially with 2.5' of snow. I'm guessing therefore that snowbanks from continual snowplow runs would have have left snow banks quite high. No one may have found her for this reason...if she had been covered by snow that was winged back by snowplows during the night. The search did not begin for 2 days? So there may have been several layers to the snow banks, and these usually harden. This may have been why dog lost scent....especially w/additional snow fall if any. Hard packed snow. The other scenarios may be that someone hit her and removed her from the area intentionally. Just possibilities. Maybe with use of a large grid that would surround the intersection of Route 112 and Bradley Hill Road, a search might be productive. Ensure the boundaries of grid are back several yards from the intersection. Search all 4 sections. It might be worth a try even though we all understand there is only a possibility that Maura may have been a hit and run victim. Anything is worth a try. Permission to search would have to be secured from property owner(s) of course. Maybe the authorities could consider a search in that area.

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Anne wrote:
<quoted text>hannah b, I do recall the posts you refer to and the names being used by the girlfriend. Yes, I also googled the name of the person referred to by Bill03785. Also, it can be tough being local and hearing so much 'stuff', it creates a mindset of closing down! That is an unfortunate symptom in Mauras disappearance.
Bill 03785 ?? Hmm, are ISP's and or addresses being tracked again Anne?
Anne

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What did I miss, what is your reference Wowzer?

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Snowy wrote:
i just read a particularly sincere post from you.....though it seems to have disappeared.??
anyway, on that note, i have expressed to you and others my greatest concerns about this forum, and now choose to back off a bit....to give you space.
likewise, i trust you will be careful about repeating only what can be verified. deal?
You have a deal! All I want to do is find out what happened to her, I just keep thinking, what if it was my daughter?. I mean no harm to no one nor cast any ill will towards anyone. If I get off track just gently remind me, but I have no intention of posting anyone's name on here, that would go straight to the SPD, if I ever get a name. As I said they already have the persons name that I was referring to on here. I had no intention of his name getting out, someone else blurted that out.
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wowzer, Since you believe I havent answered your questions, this must be one of your fly - bys!lol

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rozShoem wrote:
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Stephen,
I was not questioning the possibility of "metal to metal." I was considering the possibility that because it was a dark evening and Maura had been wearing dark clothing, that she may have been a victim of a hit and run accident. The dog lost scent near the intersection of Bradley Hill Road and Route 112 (maybe in the intersection). If hit by a car, their might be a thud, but not much more. If people were in their houses (if houses were nearby) chances are they would have heard nothing. A lot of scenario might have ensued had this been the case....especially with 2.5' of snow. I'm guessing therefore that snowbanks from continual snowplow runs would have have left snow banks quite high. No one may have found her for this reason...if she had been covered by snow that was winged back by snowplows during the night. The search did not begin for 2 days? So there may have been several layers to the snow banks, and these usually harden. This may have been why dog lost scent....especially w/additional snow fall if any. Hard packed snow. The other scenarios may be that someone hit her and removed her from the area intentionally. Just possibilities. Maybe with use of a large grid that would surround the intersection of Route 112 and Bradley Hill Road, a search might be productive. Ensure the boundaries of grid are back several yards from the intersection. Search all 4 sections. It might be worth a try even though we all understand there is only a possibility that Maura may have been a hit and run victim. Anything is worth a try. Permission to search would have to be secured from property owner(s) of course. Maybe the authorities could consider a search in that area.
rozShoem, seriously? Do you think that the search dogs that tracked her scent to that location they did, would track her scent to that location and then if her body was laying in a ditch where this hit and run happened, would really not find the body?

Do you really think that is likely or even remotely possible? Before you answer I know the tracker and her dog. I have worked with them and know them by reputation. Check on their track record and how they are thought of in the SAR community and let us know what you think.

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hannah_b wrote:
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That name has been mentioned many times on several forums. Obviously there was nothing to the knife story since the information hasn´t been acted upon.
You´re right. I shouldnt have written the name of the person who is now being accused of being a murderer. Guess I got carried away. Anyhow, anyone could find the name by doing simple online searches using the info posted by bill (sorry, forgot his number).
No one has accused this person that you speak of with murder. All that was said is that he is a person of interest/suspect. But, with no physical evidence and no eyewitness, with just hearsay being bantered around the SPD does not have just cause to arrest him or anyone else for that matter.

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