citigirl
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whiston wrote: hi all, i am wrong it seems Mr.MrMurray did return a call to Maribeth Conaway 4 months later after she started to speak with family memebers.I still just dont' get why any family of any missisng person would not accept free publicity.Take care keep digging philip You seemed to have recieved incorrect information. Marybeth has spent alot of time with us as well as Fred. Fred introduced us to Marybeth. Shortly after she wrote the article she moved out of rhe area.
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Orko Kringer
Saint Louis, MO
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Lighthouse 101 wrote: <quoted text> I respectfully disagree with you. After Maura crashes FM's car that would have been the perfect excuse for him to take her car back to CT and trade that in and buy himself another car. No one would have suspected anything. And I may be wrong. However, I find it awfully suspicious that maura's father swoops into town just over 24 hours after the petrit vasi hit and run (with the notion that he is there to help maura get a new car) They are careful to kind of keep maura's car out of the picture all weekend.(They only drive around in fred's new car) I find it very odd that they wouldn't take maura's car with them (when they are car shopping) afterall, if they find a newer car for maura, then they could do a trade-in on the spot. If the vasi hit and run has any link to maura, then I could see her wanting to get rid of her saturn pronto (and then maybe realizing that getting rid of the saturn in the local area (at a used dealership for instance) maybe is not the best idea while there could be a hit and run investigation going on in the immediate area. Notice how maura has two wrecks in the span of just a few days after the vasi hit and run. That seems like someone who is pretty shaken up to the core about something. I was one to never put much stock into the hit and run, because the news reports done seemed to very quickly dismiss a connection and made it seem next to impossible to have taken place. Yet, taking it upon myself to personally visit Maura's security desk entrance and then the intersection where PV was found, I was alarmed at just how close the two locations were. And it made me re-think some of the things that have been spoon-fed to the public. Maura herself could've easily been involved in the PV hit and run. It would be nice if her supervisor would ever clear up that obvious piece of info (Could a student working a security desk take a 20 minute break and get someone to cover for them or are they locked into that post until their shift ends?????????? I know on that particular Thursday night Maura was working, she was working a relatively long shift. I would assume she gets some sort of break-time.
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Lady Gray
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Maruchan wrote: <quoted text> I was just searching for info about this and found Renner's post about his interview with the supervisor: http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2011/06/phone... Thank you for this, I appreciate your time! I'll go read.....
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Lady Gray
Lone Oak, TX
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Hahaha! Wow, I moved and didn't even know it....I've always posted from Austin, Texas and this last one says Conway, ARKANSAS? How could I have changed states....I mean, Texas is huge to begin with. Anyway, I found that interesting. Let's see where it shows me this time as I hit the "post button....." viola!
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Since: Mar 12
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Orko Kringer wrote: here is the part 2 7. Atwood is there 1-2 mines tops Faith says. *all media reports says FW stated the SBD says he was there 5 minutes, SBD states he was there 5 minutes 8. Faith sees the driver put on the flashers. *media reports, says Faith states the flashers were on, SBD states they were off and he tells her to put them on 9. Driver goes to the trunk then back to car lights going on and off and She see a red dot on the passengers side. *JM reports that the trunk lights went off and on as well *FW reports to 911 as per Grafton County Sherriff logs, that there was a man driving the car and was sitting smoking a cigarette, see Grafton County Sherriff logs. Noting whatsoever about a red dot in the car, check logs. 10. Faith goes back to the front room to help Tim on the computer. *FW states in the media, that after the SBD came along she no longer watched the accident scene 11. Still on the phone with 911. *? 12. Hears a car goes back to the kitchen window. 13. See Smith nose to nose hangs up with 911. *FW called 911 at 1927 per Grafton County Sherriff logs, and per the same, and accident report, Sgt. Smith arrives at the accident scene at 1946 Fw Leaves window to help Tim on the computer twice(was there any audio coming from the computer hence not hearing cars outside?)..FW stops watching when SBD arrives...She seemed to not be focused on the MVA but speaks with 911 for a 19 minuete period.Could her own talking have prevented her from hearing passing cars.She also states a man driving,how did she determine that?? And it seems FW thought 911 should be involved rather quickly,how did she know the driver was totally disabled & not going to get collected&drive off? If she stops watching when SBD arrives,when did she see the activity at the trunk?The driver was supposedly still buried in an airbag when SBD arrives.Baffling.
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Orko Kringer
Saint Louis, MO
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findmaura wrote: <quoted text> Fw Leaves window to help Tim on the computer twice(was there any audio coming from the computer hence not hearing cars outside?)..FW stops watching when SBD arrives...She seemed to not be focused on the MVA but speaks with 911 for a 19 minuete period.Could her own talking have prevented her from hearing passing cars.She also states a man driving,how did she determine that?? And it seems FW thought 911 should be involved rather quickly,how did she know the driver was totally disabled & not going to get collected&drive off? If she stops watching when SBD arrives,when did she see the activity at the trunk?The driver was supposedly still buried in an airbag when SBD arrives.Baffling. This was a jarbled mess that I pulled from the internet and very few words actually come from FW. (although if you can piece through the jarbled mess, many of the events that took place line up with other accounts that are out there and appear to matchup up. However, Most of it seems to be interpretations from others like the 911 dispatch and not acutal quotes from FW. For instance, FW had never said she saw a man smoking a cigarette to anyone. She instead described seeing a red dot to the 911 dispatch (who then in an attempt to narrow it down, asked FW if that light could be the lit end of a cigarette. FW didn't no for sure nor did she know at the time whether or not the driver was male or female and hence that is where the whole man smoking a cigarette came from. FW has been very clear about this an
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whiston
United States
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Hi all,between 2003 and 2005 there was an average of 3 hit and run incidents every 2 weeks reported to Amherst police.In 2008 there were 175 thats almost 7 every 2 weeks.This is from the town of Amherst police site.take care philip
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whiston
United States
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Hi all ,Cottage hospital witness went by the saturn as did Susan C. Thats 2 vehicles passing the Westmans house that we know of.19 minutes on the phone with 911,who knows why.Not knowing if the bus that stopped was MrAtwoods' or even a long or short bus does not sound like much of a view.Maybe there was another bus who knows.Did Sgt.Smith know Maura was driving the saturn on feb 09 2004 and if so how.Her college parking sticker was on the window of the saturn.she was actually at the saturn.there was I.D.found in the saturn which was not locked.Still curious if the blue lights were on when he hung out for about 1 hour and 40 minutes.take care philip
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Since: Feb 12
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Orko Kringer wrote: <quoted text> And I may be wrong. However, I find it awfully suspicious that maura's father swoops into town just over 24 hours after the petrit vasi hit and run (with the notion that he is there to help maura get a new car) They are careful to kind of keep maura's car out of the picture all weekend.(They only drive around in fred's new car) I find it very odd that they wouldn't take maura's car with them (when they are car shopping) afterall, if they find a newer car for maura, then they could do a trade-in on the spot. If the vasi hit and run has any link to maura, then I could see her wanting to get rid of her saturn pronto (and then maybe realizing that getting rid of the saturn in the local area (at a used dealership for instance) maybe is not the best idea while there could be a hit and run investigation going on in the immediate area. Notice how maura has two wrecks in the span of just a few days after the vasi hit and run. That seems like someone who is pretty shaken up to the core about something. I was one to never put much stock into the hit and run, because the news reports done seemed to very quickly dismiss a connection and made it seem next to impossible to have taken place. Yet, taking it upon myself to personally visit Maura's security desk entrance and then the intersection where PV was found, I was alarmed at just how close the two locations were. And it made me re-think some of the things that have been spoon-fed to the public. Maura herself could've easily been involved in the PV hit and run. It would be nice if her supervisor would ever clear up that obvious piece of info (Could a student working a security desk take a 20 minute break and get someone to cover for them or are they locked into that post until their shift ends?????????? I know on that particular Thursday night Maura was working, she was working a relatively long shift. I would assume she gets some sort of break-time. I'm not doubting the time frame I'm doubting the actions afterwards that would make the hit and run look like a scenario.
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Stud
Crab Orchard, KY
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Does Fred still go to NH to look?
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Stud
Crab Orchard, KY
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WTH-the-original wrote: <quoted text> You really should read what you write before you post it. No, the fact of the matter is that practically, not theoretically, but practically, you cannot disable a modern high compression engine in this fashion. And, the rag is another red herring like the trailer hitch. But, as I have stated before. You are allowed to waste your time any way you see fit. Enjoy. Bill bill, I know you think you are some kind of expert on all things, but little boy you are wrong here. A rag will disable a car. Tried it in mechanical training at GM a few years back boy. Now, go back to your little wannabe gumshoe life.
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Stud
Crab Orchard, KY
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Stud wrote: <quoted text>bill, I know you think you are some kind of expert on all things, but little boy you are wrong here. A rag will disable a car. Tried it in mechanical training at GM a few years back boy. Now, go back to your little wannabe gumshoe life. I'm not a car expert by any means. From what I read about blockages in mufflers is it will discharge the blockage. I'm not sure that a rag is capable of causing a major blockage because it is too porous. Which could make it possible that it wouldn't discharge. Also the car was 8 years old. If there were any holes in the muffler itself the blockage would just make the exhaust escape through the holes. Right?
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Stud
Crab Orchard, KY
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Depends on how tight it was put in. If it was loose, your explanation is valid. If it was tight, it could run for a bit but would shut down. Could explain the revving of engine has she came to the curve. Seems like the car was dying and she gassed it and lost control. If she was tipsy, her reaction time was slow to correct and she hit the snow bank.
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Stud wrote: <quoted text>bill, I know you think you are some kind of expert on all things, but little boy you are wrong here. A rag will disable a car. Tried it in mechanical training at GM a few years back boy. Now, go back to your little wannabe gumshoe life. Hey nitwit. HOW did you put the rag in there? Did you pound in 10 rags literally with a hammer. I want to see you stop a modern engine with one rag by pushing it into an exhaust. Stop talking nonsense and post a video to prove you aren't full of shit. Boy, I really wish the asylum would stop giving some of these morons passes. There really needs to be a minimum IQ test for using Topix. It is such a waste of time having to correct so many idiot simply because they can make false, unverified statements so easily. Hey moron, would a potato be easier or harder to blow out of an exhaust than a rag? Don't suppose you have ever heard the stories about a potato stalling a car, have you? Use to hear that all the time as a kid. Decided to try it. Guess what, I had the same experiences, it blows right out. Tried rags, same thing. But you and the other genius Bob, keep believing it. Modern high compression engines won't stall in that fashion. But, keep living in your fantasy world. You are one of a couple of morons that asks questions and then accepts answers that you want. If you get conflicting information you accept whatever answer suits you instead of actually trying to resolve the issue with experimentation. So keep accepting any answer, or more likely keep asking people until you get the answer you are looking for. That will allow you to solve this case in no time by going down the preconceived path you have already constructed. http://www.youtube.com/watch... Bill
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Stud wrote: Could explain the revving of engine has she came to the curve. Seems like the car was dying and she gassed it and lost control. Another moronic comment. The revving of the engine is very simply explained by her loosing traction coming around the corner too fast. That is likely what caused the engine to rev. Her tires breaking loose, causing her to crash. It never ceases to amaze at the stupid theories that pop up repeatedly. I assume it can be explained by people who have no life experience. Have never had a car loose traction. I must assume that stud probably doesn't have a drivers license or at least has never driven on a race track or in the snow, maybe it doesn't even rain where he is because clearly he has never heard someone loose traction and heard the noise the engine makes. Bill
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dll
Saint Albans, VT
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WTH-the-original wrote: <quoted text> actually trying to resolve the issue with experimentation. Hi Bill - My husband is a classic car guy. Builds & restores them from the frame up. Both body & mechanical work. He also does all the repairs to our daily drivers. I asked him about the rag awhile back. He basically laughed at me. His answer was “no it'd blow right out”. I told him what I'd found on the internet saying it could be done. He didn’t care what it said, he didnt believe it was possible. We’ve been married for over 30 yrs, so of course I had to give him the third degree "are you sure? why would they say you can if you cant? Maybe it’s different with a 1996 Saturn" and so on. His answers were pretty much identical to yours. Hating for him to be right I tried it. Stuffed the rag all the way back in the tail pipe until it hit the muffler. Which wasnt really far. My tail pipe measures roughly 6 1/4 inches. It blew right out. I tried it multiple times in multiple ways. Even with the engine running. It still blew out. Now here’s my quandary. I’d like to try stuffing it further into the actual muffler section. Just to be absolutely certain since no one really knows how far in the rag was stuffed. It should still blow out. But if it gets stuck? I get the joy of explaining my stupidity to my husband. Needless to say I haven’t tried it yet. Have you or anyone else tried stuffing it way into the muffler section & did it blow out? I’d honestly rather have you laugh at me than my husband.
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citigirl
Brockton, MA
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whiston wrote: Hi all ,Cottage hospital witness went by the saturn as did Susan C. Thats 2 vehicles passing the Westmans house that we know of.19 minutes on the phone with 911,who knows why.Not knowing if the bus that stopped was MrAtwoods' or even a long or short bus does not sound like much of a view.Maybe there was another bus who knows.Did Sgt.Smith know Maura was driving the saturn on feb 09 2004 and if so how.Her college parking sticker was on the window of the saturn.she was actually at the saturn.there was I.D.found in the saturn which was not locked.Still curious if the blue lights were on when he hung out for about 1 hour and 40 minutes.take care philip We where led to believe the vehicle was locked. Where did you hear it was unlocked?
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hannah_b
Sweden
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citigirl wrote: <quoted text>We where led to believe the vehicle was locked. Where did you hear it was unlocked? I know this question wasn´t directed at me, but I´ll take the liberty to answer it nonetheless. IIRC according to the SOCO Mag article witness Susan C claimed to have seen the Saturn with open door/s and LE present at the scene.
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Since: Jul 11
Troy, IL
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hannah_b wrote: <quoted text> I know this question wasn´t directed at me, but I´ll take the liberty to answer it nonetheless. IIRC according to the SOCO Mag article witness Susan C claimed to have seen the Saturn with open door/s and LE present at the scene. Personally not a big fan of tghe SOCO articles that have been done. They seem to be regurgitating old info instead in many places and not providing anything of substance other than the ridiculous notion that maura's car was sabatoged at a gas station with the rag (in her trunk) being stuffed into the tailpipe. two separate officers, the responding officer CS and the officer in charge at the time Lt. S, each note that maura's car was locked when it was found at the accident scene.
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