Maura Murray

hannah_b wrote:

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I know this question wasn´t directed at me, but I´ll take the liberty to answer it nonetheless. IIRC according to the SOCO Mag article witness Susan C claimed to have seen the Saturn with open door/s and LE present at the scene.

The police report says the car was locked when they arrived, quote: "The vehicle was locked and there was no one in the area." Towards the end of the report: "A later search of the vehicle indicated the driver was Maura Murray."

LE obviously unlocked the car during the search and/or it needed to be unlocked for the tow, and would account for a witness seeing the doors open.

Maruchan wrote:

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The police report says the car was locked when they arrived, quote: "The vehicle was locked and there was no one in the area." Towards the end of the report: "A later search of the vehicle indicated the driver was Maura Murray."
LE obviously unlocked the car during the search and/or it needed to be unlocked for the tow, and would account for a witness seeing the doors open.

Ok, so we can be certain the car was locked when LE arrived, but for some reason they opened it and went through it´s contents at the scene. That´s not standard procedure for an abandoned car in connection to a simple DWI, is it?

hannah_b wrote:

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Ok, so we can be certain the car was locked when LE arrived, but for some reason they opened it and went through it´s contents at the scene. That´s not standard procedure for an abandoned car in connection to a simple DWI, is it?

just taking a stab

But they probably needed her car set to neutral for the tow.

She did have a cracked window I believe (just going off of memory, I believe it was on the passenger side. People have speculated that this could indicate that she wasn't alone, however, I believe it was her who cracked the window when the SBD first arrived. She probably attempted or thought she would be communciating with him while still in the car. She did make an attempt to get out of her car, but hadn't made it all the way out at the time the SBD was on scene.

Why does everyone waste their time here?

dll wrote:

<quoted text>It should still blow out. But if it gets stuck? I get the joy of explaining my stupidity to my husband. Needless to say I haven’t tried it yet. Have you or anyone else tried stuffing it way into the muffler section & did it blow out? I’d honestly rather have you laugh at me than my husband.

No matter what I did. I could not get it to stall the engine. I tried, like I said, potatoes and rags and they all blew out. I even turned the engine off and put the rags in and when you started the engine they blew out.

Again, I thought, and was told when I was a kid that it would stall an engine, and the low compression engines of years long gone, and the story told by my grandfather, it probably would work. I was not able to get it work with anything I tried.

Bill

whiston wrote:

Hi all ,Cottage hospital witness went by the saturn as did Susan C. Thats 2 vehicles passing the Westmans house that we know of.19 minutes on the phone with 911,who knows why.Not knowing if the bus that stopped was MrAtwoods' or even a long or short bus does not sound like much of a view.Maybe there was another bus who knows.Did Sgt.Smith know Maura was driving the saturn on feb 09 2004 and if so how.Her college parking sticker was on the window of the saturn.she was actually at the saturn.there was I.D.found in the saturn which was not locked.Still curious if the blue lights were on when he hung out for about 1 hour and 40 minutes.take care philip

What would blue lights or lack thereof indicate?I'd be interested to "hear' why you might consider it relevant.

Maruchan wrote:

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The police report says the car was locked when they arrived, quote: "The vehicle was locked and there was no one in the area." Towards the end of the report: "A later search of the vehicle indicated the driver was Maura Murray."
LE obviously unlocked the car during the search and/or it needed to be unlocked for the tow, and would account for a witness seeing the doors open.

I wonder,does LE carry the tools to unlock car doors?Was the tow truck there?How soon after SBD stopped did the passerby see the doors open?

WTH-the-original wrote:

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No matter what I did. I could not get it to stall the engine. I tried, like I said, potatoes and rags and they all blew out. I even turned the engine off and put the rags in and when you started the engine they blew out.
Again, I thought, and was told when I was a kid that it would stall an engine, and the low compression engines of years long gone, and the story told by my grandfather, it probably would work. I was not able to get it work with anything I tried.
Bill

IT works I tried it.

Hh findmaura and all.If sgtSmith had his blues on until the car was towed ,to warn other drivers i would consider that normal.If not he may have been laying low and waiting for the driver to return.Maybe he called umass at that point and gave them Mauras' parking sticker number who knows.Susan C saw the car open.I am taking that as a fact regardless of where it was printed.take care philip

WTH-the-original wrote:

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No matter what I did. I could not get it to stall the engine. I tried, like I said, potatoes and rags and they all blew out. I even turned the engine off and put the rags in and when you started the engine they blew out.
Again, I thought, and was told when I was a kid that it would stall an engine, and the low compression engines of years long gone, and the story told by my grandfather, it probably would work. I was not able to get it work with anything I tried.
Bill

Thanks Bill!

Lazy George wrote:

<quoted text>IT works I tried it.

Hi George, would you mind explaining how you got it to work? I'm not trying to give anyone a hard time over this. But I cant get it to work. I'm using a standard shop towel and have folded it mutiple ways. It keeps blowing out. I looked up the exhaust diagram & cant see how stuffing it further in would make a difference. If it can be done whats the secret to make it work?

Unless Maura got into a passing vehicle close to where her Saturn ended up on Rte 112, I believe she may well have set off on foot up Bradley Hill Road, rather than running east on Rte 112.
If running away from a possible DWI it would have made sense for her to avoid the local highway, Rte 112, and instead opting for the less travelled Bradley Hill Road.
I wounder why SBD and LE apparently never searched BHR, as far as we know.
Also, does anybody recall at about what time a red truck was supposedly spotted by a local witness somewhere along BHR?
Could Maura have been picked up - willingly or not-by the driver of that truck if she indeed set off up BHR?
Just some thoughts...

Lazy George wrote:

<quoted text>IT works I tried it.

No you didn't. Show us, post the video or I call bullshit.

Here is a video that shows what you have to do to get an engine to stall.

"Tailpipe ended up jammed in a planter strip, clogging with grass, roots, dirt, and rocks with the end partly crimped."

So to recap, the car rolled backwards and smashed the exhaust into a planter strip, where it was loaded with grass, dirt and rocks and then, and this is most important, it CRIMPED the end of the exhaust so that crap couldn't be blown out. This is what it would take to stall a modern engine, not a rag pushed into the exhaust by hand.

Oh, stud and bob. You might want to show these videos to your "experts". Oh, and it's not that I am an expert in any of this, but I think it's pretty clear that I know more than you two.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Bill

Now to the second half of this stupidity. Why does the rag matter? If the rag was in the exhaust while she was driving, and somehow was able to keep the rag in the exhaust, it wasn't a problem. If the rag was put in the exhaust after the crash, again, how is it relevant?

There are people on the site who love to throw out red herrings. Some because they like mental masturbation and others because, well, because they just aren't that smart. There is nothing to indicate that the rag, had anything to do with her disappearance. So why are people focusing on it? Mostly it is because there is nothing else to talk about. I mean, lets talk about suspects, oh, there are none. Well lets talk about the crime scene, oh yeah, there isn't one. What about her mental state, until very recently, very little was known about that. What about the crime, her running from the car after drinking, no, don't want to do that. The credit card fraud, nope that couldn't have anything to do with her running says the family. What about that interesting killer in Alaska with ties to the area. We could talk about him but I am guessing the police will likely take care of that little nugget.

Speaking of red herrings, did you hear the one about the trailer hitch, or that the police vehicle was pointed at the crashed car? Some of the people here droned on about those red herrings for months.

Bill

How is the rag relevant?
CS made a mad dash to the W-mansd house asking "where's the girl, the one with the rag in her tailpipe". Either he was putting this idea in their head or he may have mispoke, OR all the articles, are just plain wrong that CS asked this question of the W-mans at all.
It sure would be nice to know what the truth is.
If it was somehow witnessed before hand that the rag was there,(as in way up on a tow truck and someone recalled that).
Can't recall if this has been said before but:
Anne and others said they heard of an accident, same area somewhere closer to 7. Many of the news articles say this too. Big deal, right?
But there's a car being towed to NH, not driven. Maura is along, someone else is driving. At the right moment they release the car from the tow. Maura gets back in it (person left in private vehicle), and then she knows she can spin out at anytime, grab her stuff and get back to the driver. Maybe that red truck. Can anyone say without a doubt that a caller alerted police by calling 911 that night because of the red truck?

Just me--paris wrote:

How is the rag relevant?
CS made a mad dash to the W-mansd house asking "where's the girl, the one with the rag in her tailpipe". Either he was putting this idea in their head or he may have mispoke, OR all the articles, are just plain wrong that CS asked this question of the W-mans at all.
It sure would be nice to know what the truth is.
If it was somehow witnessed before hand that the rag was there,(as in way up on a tow truck and someone recalled that).
Can't recall if this has been said before but:
Anne and others said they heard of an accident, same area somewhere closer to 7. Many of the news articles say this too. Big deal, right?
But there's a car being towed to NH, not driven. Maura is along, someone else is driving. At the right moment they release the car from the tow. Maura gets back in it (person left in private vehicle), and then she knows she can spin out at anytime, grab her stuff and get back to the driver. Maybe that red truck. Can anyone say without a doubt that a caller alerted police by calling 911 that night because of the red truck?

just me,
As far as I recall the supposed witness observation of a parked, seemingly empty red truck with one of its doors open some way up Bradley Hill Road was first reported on this forum at some point by Det Columbo.
I honestly don´t remember whether this was ever confirmed somewhere else or the supposed timing of the observation.

Just me--paris wrote:

How is the rag relevant?
CS made a mad dash to the W-mansd house asking "where's the girl, the one with the rag in her tailpipe". Either he was putting this idea in their head or he may have mispoke, OR all the articles, are just plain wrong that CS asked this question of the W-mans at all.
It sure would be nice to know what the truth is.
If it was somehow witnessed before hand that the rag was there,(as in way up on a tow truck and someone recalled that).
Can't recall if this has been said before but:
Anne and others said they heard of an accident, same area somewhere closer to 7. Many of the news articles say this too. Big deal, right?
But there's a car being towed to NH, not driven. Maura is along, someone else is driving. At the right moment they release the car from the tow. Maura gets back in it (person left in private vehicle), and then she knows she can spin out at anytime, grab her stuff and get back to the driver. Maybe that red truck. Can anyone say without a doubt that a caller alerted police by calling 911 that night because of the red truck?

Paris I think Anne and someone else in her house claimed they heard another accident on the scanner but there is absolutely nothing on the dispatcher logs or any report to the police about another accident. Can you provide a link to any news articles that say this second accident happened? That's the first I heard of many news articles saying the same thing.
Where in the world did you hear that the car was towed with Maura along? You're stating these things as facts and if they aren't facts it gets very confusing to any new people here.

citigirl wrote:

Orko there were 2 full sized yellow buses parked on SBDS property that I saw every other weekend for several years. There was one always backed in with the front of the bus facing 112. The other bus was always parked parallel to 112 with the front of the bus facing west. This was obviously normal procedure for the parking of the buses on SBDS property. JM did talk with friends of the family and family concerning that night. At some point JM did talk with PIs after they became involved. I dont recall if was before or during the Oct. 2006 search.To my knowledge JM did not talk with media until several years later after Mauras disappearance. The only ones who called 911 on that night was SBD and the W's and they are the ones that CS spoke to.

Citigirl, I have been curious and maybe you know, how was it determined that Maura took her backpack with her? Was the backpack seen by SBD or the ATM video?

whiston wrote:

Hh findmaura and all.If sgtSmith had his blues on until the car was towed ,to warn other drivers i would consider that normal.If not he may have been laying low and waiting for the driver to return.Maybe he called umass at that point and gave them Mauras' parking sticker number who knows.Susan C saw the car open.I am taking that as a fact regardless of where it was printed.take care philip

When responders arrived at the scene the doors were closed. One was shining a fashlight through the windows trying to see what was in the vehicle. CS told this person to move away from the vehicle.

Just me--paris wrote:

How is the rag relevant?
CS made a mad dash to the W-mansd house asking "where's the girl, the one with the rag in her tailpipe". Either he was putting this idea in their head or he may have mispoke, OR all the articles, are just plain wrong that CS asked this question of the W-mans at all.
It sure would be nice to know what the truth is.
If it was somehow witnessed before hand that the rag was there,(as in way up on a tow truck and someone recalled that).
Can't recall if this has been said before but:
Anne and others said they heard of an accident, same area somewhere closer to 7. Many of the news articles say this too. Big deal, right?
But there's a car being towed to NH, not driven. Maura is along, someone else is driving. At the right moment they release the car from the tow. Maura gets back in it (person left in private vehicle), and then she knows she can spin out at anytime, grab her stuff and get back to the driver. Maybe that red truck. Can anyone say without a doubt that a caller alerted police by calling 911 that night because of the red truck?

Responders spotted the rag at the accident scene on 112.Just Me"But theres a car being towed to NH,not driven.Maura is along,someone else is driving." This statement is very confusing to me. You are stating the vehicle is being towed but then on the other hand you are stating that someone else is driving. If a vehicle is being towed there is no other driver except for the person towing the vehicle. Maybe Im misunderstanding what you are saying but your posting is very confusing to me.