Maura Murray

Bill, stop it. You're trying to get people to use their brains, which makes things just too difficult.

People don't care if there are other 'dots',or 'evidence', that could be uncovered and useful in substantiating their wild-ass theories. They'll make shit up to get to the(ir) truth if they want to. Who cares if there's a remote possibility that Maura could have a friend that lived or frequented the Melville building where she worked. Who cares if said friend could've picked up Maura's coffee for her at 8:45 pm. There is no other answer. There's also no need to substantiate anything before blathering on and on with assumptions. Credibility? Who needs it? Jumping to conclusions is fun and easy!

Okay bad gummy show. you cashier Home depot. How you get break?

Pointless Endeavor wrote:

Jumping to conclusions is fun and easy!

Don't forget profitable. Good stories pay big money. Pretty white girl, almost killing a handsome young student leaving him for dead. Then she is seen crying and them runs away never to be seen again. It's a ready made Lifetime movie. Christ, all then need is a catchy title and it will be ready. The "security girl and the student" or the "nurse and the nighttime walker". God I suck at this. Come on people. Help them out here. Lets get a great title. And don't worry about the title having anything to do with the known facts. God knows they haven't worried about that yet.

Bill

Orko Kringer wrote:

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Not at all.
I was actually making the point that maura had the ability to leave her desk.(she had called a coffee cafe to place an order)
I was honestly trying to find out from anyone familiar with amherst whether or not that particular coffee cafe delivered.
If they don't deliver, then obviously maura would've had to leave her desk (during shift) and go get her order therefore leaving it open for later in the night (around time of hit and run) that she could've once again stepped away from her desk.

This is not directed at you orko Kringer.

But wouldn't it defeat the purpose of good security to let people use their own card or someone elses card to get into the building?
Maura checked ID's. So how is it ever ok to leave your post for say 20 minutes? Anyone could enter, keep walking, no sweat?

I, by the way, have thought that no matter how far the car may have been, Maura was a runner. She could go get her car in a flash of light and be back in no time at all really. The visably shaken part could have been due to overexertion, running back from the car so quick with all that on her mind.
BUT! They saw her in distress awhile before Kay could get to her,~plus,~she was on the phone about that time, with Billy.

It was still a school night with bad weather coming the next day. Enough so, that school would be closed. I would imagine not many were out and about around midnight.....

Lastly, no one ever said Petrit was bleeding.
My best friend was hit while on her moped years back. No helmet, head trama, and she passed away right there, about 5 minutes later.

I just really think that if police ever caught wind of a "Maura" connection, they would investigate it once rumors started. But they didn't seem to, at least not that we know of.

It does seem pointless.

Orko Kringer wrote:

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and you are the exact type of moron that explains why cases like this never get solved.

Hi Orko. My opinion is that it is probably impossible at this point to prove whether or not Maura was involved in the hit and run. My question to you is - and I am not trying to be rude, only curious - do you think knowing the answer to the hit and run will help solve this case? Let's say for a moment that someone could prove that Maura did hit Vasi. Doesn't that get us to the same place where we are now? Maura went to NH and disappeared. Maybe I'm missing something but the way I see it, we still don't know her destination or whether she went there with the intention to run away forever or kill herself or think things over temporarily. Or whether she then killed herself or died from hypothermia or was taken advantage of and killed. Just wondering your thoughts on this and what the possible Vasi connection would help explain in your opinion.

amy researches wrote:

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Hi Orko. My opinion is that it is probably impossible at this point to prove whether or not Maura was involved in the hit and run. My question to you is - and I am not trying to be rude, only curious - do you think knowing the answer to the hit and run will help solve this case? Let's say for a moment that someone could prove that Maura did hit Vasi. Doesn't that get us to the same place where we are now? Maura went to NH and disappeared. Maybe I'm missing something but the way I see it, we still don't know her destination or whether she went there with the intention to run away forever or kill herself or think things over temporarily. Or whether she then killed herself or died from hypothermia or was taken advantage of and killed. Just wondering your thoughts on this and what the possible Vasi connection would help explain in your opinion.

Bingo! The other half of this stupidity, just like the rag dance that was done for a month this LAST time.

It really makes me wonder if he is just jerking everyone's chain for fun and really doesn't believe in any of the crap he is peddling. But hey, that is just me. I'm suspicious by nature when I see crap piled this deep.

Bill

Just me--paris wrote:

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This is not directed at you orko Kringer.
But wouldn't it defeat the purpose of good security to let people use their own card or someone elses card to get into the building?
Maura checked ID's. So how is it ever ok to leave your post for say 20 minutes? Anyone could enter, keep walking, no sweat?
I, by the way, have thought that no matter how far the car may have been, Maura was a runner. She could go get her car in a flash of light and be back in no time at all really. The visably shaken part could have been due to overexertion, running back from the car so quick with all that on her mind.
BUT! They saw her in distress awhile before Kay could get to her,~plus,~she was on the phone about that time, with Billy.

During breaks, maura would've been relieved by someone at the desk.

When maura was on the phone to billy, was she at work or was she driving in her car? that question needs to be answered.

Just me--paris wrote:

Lastly, no one ever said Petrit was bleeding.
My best friend was hit while on her moped years back. No helmet, head trama, and she passed away right there, about 5 minutes later.
I just really think that if police ever caught wind of a "Maura" connection, they would investigate it once rumors started. But they didn't seem to, at least not that we know of.
It does seem pointless.

The police have no idea what happened to vasi even to this day.

amy researches wrote:

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Hi Orko. My opinion is that it is probably impossible at this point to prove whether or not Maura was involved in the hit and run. My question to you is - and I am not trying to be rude, only curious - do you think knowing the answer to the hit and run will help solve this case? Let's say for a moment that someone could prove that Maura did hit Vasi. Doesn't that get us to the same place where we are now? Maura went to NH and disappeared. Maybe I'm missing something but the way I see it, we still don't know her destination or whether she went there with the intention to run away forever or kill herself or think things over temporarily. Or whether she then killed herself or died from hypothermia or was taken advantage of and killed. Just wondering your thoughts on this and what the possible Vasi connection would help explain in your opinion.

Like anything else concerning this case.

You either believe the events prior to her disappearance matter or they don't.

If you believe they don't matter than you just focus on what happened from the time she wrecked in NH on.

If you believe the events leading up to her disappearance matter, then you focus on why maura was heading to nh in the first place.

I have always believed the events leading up to her taking off matter a lot.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Bingo! The other half of this stupidity, just like the rag dance that was done for a month this LAST time.
It really makes me wonder if he is just jerking everyone's chain for fun and really doesn't believe in any of the crap he is peddling. But hey, that is just me. I'm suspicious by nature when I see crap piled this deep.
Bill

I'm trying to figure out what your game is.

You have been on this board for 47 years and haven't contributed one worthy bit of anything except for your third-grade level science lessons "duh, the hood of the car folds" duh.

"I am a big ambulance guy. I know how to turn on the sirens, I am an expert on everything.

Please.

Orko Kringer wrote:

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I'm trying to figure out what your game is.
You have been on this board for 47 years and haven't contributed one worthy bit of anything except for your third-grade level science lessons "duh, the hood of the car folds" duh.
"I am a big ambulance guy. I know how to turn on the sirens, I am an expert on everything.
Please.

My game is simply trying to get to the truth, and in that process not letting people run fast and loose with the few known facts, like you want to do.

Oh yea, let me say another thing, holy shit, a 21 year old woman having an emotional meltdown at college, how totally unusual. I am certain that the other 364 days of the year that never happens. I suppose you are right to focus on that as being some sort of magical connection to Vasi. Yep, when you say it like that, it makes total sense.

OK Orko. I now leave, for a while, looking like a whipped puppy thoroughly cowed with my tail between my legs. I am overcome by the brilliance of your third grade retort, half of it making no sense at all.

Bill

WTH-the-original wrote:

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My game is simply trying to get to the truth, and in that process not letting people run fast and loose with the few known facts, like you want to do.
Oh yea, let me say another thing, holy shit, a 21 year old woman having an emotional meltdown at college, how totally unusual. I am certain that the other 364 days of the year that never happens. I suppose you are right to focus on that as being some sort of magical connection to Vasi. Yep, when you say it like that, it makes total sense.
OK Orko. I now leave, for a while, looking like a whipped puppy thoroughly cowed with my tail between my legs. I am overcome by the brilliance of your third grade retort, half of it making no sense at all.
Bill

Bill, before you go, can you help me out with something related to SAR? If someone says "the K-9 teams had several hits, but nothing that would warrant forwarding to state police" what would you interpret this as meaning? This is a quote from an old news article that I came across, and I was just curious about the possible meaning of this statement. Thanks in advance if you can help.

Orko Kringer wrote:

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Like anything else concerning this case.
You either believe the events prior to her disappearance matter or they don't.
If you believe they don't matter than you just focus on what happened from the time she wrecked in NH on.
If you believe the events leading up to her disappearance matter, then you focus on why maura was heading to nh in the first place.
I have always believed the events leading up to her taking off matter a lot.

Orko, I agree with your point of view that the events prior to her disappearance could be relevant. If someone can piece together why she was leaving and connect it to her intended destination, then I would say that could be helpful. I just don't see that proving she hit Vasi, or that she didn't hit him, is helpful in solving the case. If she did hit Vasi, that still doesn't lead anyone to where she was going or what her intentions were (running away forever, killing herself, taking a break to think things over).

WTH-the-original wrote:

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My game is simply trying to get to the truth, and in that process not letting people run fast and loose with the few known facts, like you want to do.
Oh yea, let me say another thing, holy shit, a 21 year old woman having an emotional meltdown at college, how totally unusual. I am certain that the other 364 days of the year that never happens. I suppose you are right to focus on that as being some sort of magical connection to Vasi. Yep, when you say it like that, it makes total sense.
OK Orko. I now leave, for a while, looking like a whipped puppy thoroughly cowed with my tail between my legs. I am overcome by the brilliance of your third grade retort, half of it making no sense at all.
Bill

Translation above:

I am a loser who has nothing whatsoever to contribute. I just like to hear myself squawk.

amy researches wrote:

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Orko, I agree with your point of view that the events prior to her disappearance could be relevant. If someone can piece together why she was leaving and connect it to her intended destination, then I would say that could be helpful. I just don't see that proving she hit Vasi, or that she didn't hit him, is helpful in solving the case. If she did hit Vasi, that still doesn't lead anyone to where she was going or what her intentions were (running away forever, killing herself, taking a break to think things over).

I disagree.

Her mind-set is likely what determined her final destination/fate.

If she truly wanted help stranded in NH, then the boogey man theory becomes very valid.

If she didn't want help, but wanted to hide out (fearing a DUI), then the succumbing to the elements theory jumps to the forefront.

If maura was depressed and had thoughts of suicide when she left for NH, then there was very little in the way of stopping her from completing that task.

I believe maura was deeply troubled by something and something that had happened to her within that five day stretch of all the bizzare events and behaviors that took place that started with that thursday night she was on security monitor duty.

Orko Kringer wrote:

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Not at all.
I was actually making the point that maura had the ability to leave her desk.(she had called a coffee cafe to place an order)
I was honestly trying to find out from anyone familiar with amherst whether or not that particular coffee cafe delivered.
If they don't deliver, then obviously maura would've had to leave her desk (during shift) and go get her order therefore leaving it open for later in the night (around time of hit and run) that she could've once again stepped away from her desk.

Good enough Orko I guess I misinterpreted what you were trying to say.

amy researches wrote:

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Bill, before you go, can you help me out with something related to SAR? If someone says "the K-9 teams had several hits, but nothing that would warrant forwarding to state police" what would you interpret this as meaning? This is a quote from an old news article that I came across, and I was just curious about the possible meaning of this statement. Thanks in advance if you can help.

Hi Amy. I have no idea what that means. A reliable dog doesn't "hit" on things that shouldn't be hit on. If it does hit on things that aren't what they are looking for, how reliable is the dog and/or the handler? To further complicate matters, was the news article written by someone who misinterpreted what was told to them?

So the short answer is I don't know what that means. Reliable dogs, don't often, if ever, hit on things that aren't there or make mistakes. And mistakes from what I have seen are usually attributed to misinterpretations by the handler of the dogs actions. So we are still left with questions of how reliable the search, the dogs, and teams were. Or can it simply be chalked up to a misquote in the news report?

Sorry, I know that isn't a lot of help but it is accurate as far as I have seen. Like so much of this case, there is a large amount of grey area material.

Bill

Orko Kringer wrote:

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Her mind-set is likely what determined her final destination/fate.
If she truly wanted help stranded in NH, then the boogey man theory becomes very valid.
If she didn't want help, but wanted to hide out (fearing a DUI), then the succumbing to the elements theory jumps to the forefront.
If maura was depressed and had thoughts of suicide when she left for NH, then there was very little in the way of stopping her from completing that task.
I believe maura was deeply troubled by something and something that had happened to her within that five day stretch of all the bizzare events and behaviors that took place that started with that thursday night she was on security monitor duty.

Wow. You are so seven years late on this. Did you never look at the work done before you got here and started to spread your brilliance? Do you really think that this hasn't been talked about over and over? Your twist, and the part that is total crap is your tying it to Vasi with no evidence at all.

Bill