Maura Murray

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Orko says: Maura was involved with a hit and run, until you can disprove otherwise (supervisor interview in this case) she did it.
Bill says: Aliens stole Maura, until you can disprove otherwise aliens stole her.
Bill inserts his theory of aliens stealing Maura (which is absurd) but by the premise set by Orko of having to be disproved first can't actually be disproved (Any arguement should be proven first and not have to be disproven which was the original arguement a few posts back by Bill)
A strawman wasn't actually created and wasn't off topic, because he used Orko's premise.
You see Absurd for the sake of Absurdity - I see ART.

Art is subjective, so I cannot argue with you there. The reductio as absurdum technique is a bit more defined and what WTH did irregardless of its effectiveness was not it was the point. Tomatoes and Tomatoes is all.

Forget it, Bill, aka Duncan Man-at-arms. Check Wiki. There is just too many uncanny parallels.

Orko is a "Trollan", a race of beings from Trolla, a world in another dimension.

Orko has always had trouble with his magical powers. A recurring joke in the series is that almost every time he tries to use magic, it backfires in some amusing way. The reason for this is not clear.
Orko is shown to be equally incompetent even on Trolla.

Stuck on Eternia, Orko was made Royal Buffoon by the King of Eternia in gratitude for having saved his son. Orko became one of Adam's closest friends; in fact, Orko knows that Adam is secretly He-Man, although it is never revealed how he found out.

Orko frequently annoys Duncan, Man-At-Arms, due to his magic constantly backfiring or Orko coming into his lab unexpected and uninvited and messing with his equipment, which gets on Man-At-Arm's nerves rather than amusing him as it does others. Orko has proven to be a good friend and a valuable ally, despite his unpredictable powers and the fact he is more than a little clueless. Sometimes Orko wonders how useful he is to He-Man, but despite his apparent cowardliness, he never fails to help those in need.

Bumping for Maura wrote:

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Jwb,
Just a thought:
Even if the 112-BHR intersection wasn´t lit back in 2004, I believe it likely that the SBD if sitting in his bus doing his paperwork might have looked up because of the head beams of the red truck driving down BHR towards Rte 112.

Hi BFM,
Curious if parking lot vehicle registrations were checked and compared to filter if one red truck happened to be at both WP and then at U of M within 2-year period of Maura attending both places. Just an idea, but one that might prove worthwhile. It seems a bit of coincidence may exist? Two people both at WP and then within a short period of time both ending up at U of MA....what is the probability of that happening?

Orko it looks like you thought she was a suicide long before you thought the hit and run theory was worth looking at; why exactly? What, besides the hit and run, makes you think she was heading for nh to kill herself? I really see very little of anything that points to that being her ultimate plan. She is always described as a very happy individual, nobody has said that she ever said anything about suicide. What makes you think that is most likely?
I just find it unlikely, why would she bother lying to her teachers about the death in the family? This is the only excused absence you can get when your in a tough major like nursing, why would she need an excused absence if she was planning on suicide? She went to umass with 30,000 other kids, they don't exactly come looking for you if you don't show up for class. Her desire for an excuses absence shows a clear intent of returning to school, IMO.
And how do you account for her body not being found? Since when do people who committ suicide hide their body? How far Into the woods do you really think she could've gotten and what would be the purpose of going so far? Do you think she intended to never be found?
I also don't understand what you think was going on her life that was so bad? The car accidents? Who's ever killed themselves over a car accident? Does that really happen?
Without the vasi hit what else is there that you think was making her suicidal?

Jenkins wrote:

Orko it looks like you thought she was a suicide long before you thought the hit and run theory was worth looking at; why exactly? What, besides the hit and run, makes you think she was heading for nh to kill herself? I really see very little of anything that points to that being her ultimate plan. She is always described as a very happy individual, nobody has said that she ever said anything about suicide. What makes you think that is most likely?
I just find it unlikely, why would she bother lying to her teachers about the death in the family? This is the only excused absence you can get when your in a tough major like nursing, why would she need an excused absence if she was planning on suicide? She went to umass with 30,000 other kids, they don't exactly come looking for you if you don't show up for class. Her desire for an excuses absence shows a clear intent of returning to school, IMO.
And how do you account for her body not being found? Since when do people who committ suicide hide their body? How far Into the woods do you really think she could've gotten and what would be the purpose of going so far? Do you think she intended to never be found?
I also don't understand what you think was going on her life that was so bad? The car accidents? Who's ever killed themselves over a car accident? Does that really happen?
Without the vasi hit what else is there that you think was making her suicidal?

You are very correct on that.

I never really considered the hit and run until recently. Like all things when it comes to these matters, I like to explore theories out until I am either convinced or not convinced that they are legit theories.

My first theory was actually that I believed maura succumbed to the elements. Her mysterious phone call to her boyfriend to which he swears it was her was enough for me (with all the other info known) to believe that she dialed him shortly before perishing somewhere cold and freezing in the woods.

But digging into it and finding out that police had already dismissed that phone call ( when i was always led to believe that billy erased that message before police even had a chance to review it)
caused me to look into my own original theory a lot harder.

Turns out that police not only dismissed the phone call, they don't believe there was even another voice on the other end just phone static.

I think ultimately if someone succumbs to the elements, obviously they are not wanting to do that and because its not intentional they will leave something out in the open (including themselves) that would've been found by now.

That is how I broke away from my original theory on what happend to maura

the other theories about maura and a secret lover running off together and starting a new life OR a serial killer waiting at a gas station to gain access to maura's car trunk where he can get a hold of a rag to sabatoge maura

are each filled with a ton of holes and I have always thought them to be poppy cock theories, probably ones bill loves.

RozShoem wrote:

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Hi BFM,
Curious if parking lot vehicle registrations were checked and compared to filter if one red truck happened to be at both WP and then at U of M within 2-year period of Maura attending both places. Just an idea, but one that might prove worthwhile. It seems a bit of coincidence may exist? Two people both at WP and then within a short period of time both ending up at U of MA....what is the probability of that happening?

RozShoem,
Interesting idea, but I fear that LE likely never thought of checking such a thing, since they seem to have pretty much dismissed witness RO and her observation of the likely MA-plated red truck in Swiftwater. At least, that is my understanding of things.

I have a ton of reasons for thinking maura took her own life and while it is just a theory and not a proven fact, I haven't found anyone that has been able to provide solid counter evidence to dispute that theory.

Maura's father's first instinct after being briefed by police when he arrived on the accident scene was that his daughter had gone off and took her own life. That was his first instinct. I would say first instincts from a parent are pretty serious things.

He had told his kids that if he ever came to the day where he felt worthless, he would grab a bottle of Jack and head for the mountains and drink himself to death.

here we have maura in the white mountians with a ton of alcohol and a book about the white mountains that according to hikers who have reviewed the book note that even the stories about hikers dying in the mountains have some sort of heroic symbolism to them.

In my theory I believe maura tied up loose ends before she left.

She is the type of person that wouldn't just run off to a closet to hang herself, she loved mountains and I think she would want to spend her last minutes breathing at them.

She did still get her father's accident forms and she returned scrubs, packed up her dorm room (as a convenience for family so they wouldn't have to deal with those issues later).

She emailed her professors and her work places to BUY HERSELF TIME.

If she misses a day or two of scheduled work, I am pretty sure her parents would've been notified. Asking for a week off because of a death gives her a whole week before anyone would ever even think to start calling her parents to find out where she might be.

I think her final wreck was UNPLANNED.

I think her original plan involved staying the night near a hiking trail (keep in mind she left campus at an odd time of the day, means she was going to arrive at whatever her destination was late)-- Gathering her thoughts one final night and writing one final note for family.

Come morning, I think maura would've hit the trails and left her car out in the open locked up with insurance forms sitting there waiting for her father as well as a new note left for family.

I go back to the note that was left in her dorm room. It was an old email exchange between herself and her boyfriend and it is alleged to deal with him cheating on her.

To me she is specifially leaving that note there to send out a message. She did not leave that out for herself to come back to after taking a weeks vacation off into the mountains.

everything i said above is strictly OPINION.

Anything and everything written between November of 2004 and now is conjecture and opinions within
Topix. Advocates Forum and Websleuths have offered more conjecture and opinions.
Add in J. Renner with Maura's past.

Perhaps the addition of NH Cold Case Unit will aid in the mystery.

My opinion...Maura was murdered in NH.
I have no proof, or facts...just feelings..sorry for that....

Orko, you've focused the posters' attention pretty well here for the past few pages. Congratulations.

At the risk of repeating an earlier statement...

You have MM on a cell phone not far away from and just before the time Vasi was found.

You have MM in a serious meltdown not far away from and just after Vasi was found.

You have MM missing a few days later.

A lot of people could qualify for the first two, but not too many can meet all three criteria. The gambler in me says MM is the only one. Still, there is nothing that really connects all three criteria. All you have at this point is an improbable series of events. You need something that definitely ties them together.

The problem is that it's simply not unusual for people who disappear to talk on their cell phone before disappearing, and, possibly for very different reasons, have a meltdown before they disappear.

Also, you must make a clear distinction between car and driver. It is not certain how Vasi was injured, but let's assume for the moment it was from a car. While a driver directs the motion of the car, the driver herself almost never strikes the pedestrian. The car strikes the pedestrian. Which obviously means MM may have not been the driver of MM's car. Or MM may have been the driver of someone else's car.

You maintain, with good reason, that the story attributed by a newspaper writer to MM's boss is definitely not true. You claim that Melville and the Vasi location are much closer than first reported. Reported by whom?

Did MM's boss actually say this? Did the writer get the quote correct? How did this story get started? Where did it come from?

Hi all,I believe Mauras'supervisor was told in the dining hall that 'something was up with Maura'.Just a thought but did the person that told KM see Maura for themselves or was there a third party.When I hear nobody contacted KM maybe they did not.All along LE has been sticking it to Mr Murray the question in my noodle is why.Maybe something in Mauras' previous life that we are not allowed to know.7 hours missing after Toyota bending in Amherst.If Maura, as we have been told did not email her professors would they have been looking for her.Was part of her probation not missing class or was there something else.Still odd to me that Katie Jones never visted Maura at umass amherst.I believe that whoever LE spoke with ,whether KM or the Salamones they were asked to not say anything.That would be as dumb as making the search areas public.I keep coming back to the chief and how much control he had over the search the paperwork even telling people where the saturn was found.Take care philip

Orko Kringer wrote:

I have a ton of reasons for thinking maura took her own life and while it is just a theory and not a proven fact, I haven't found anyone that has been able to provide solid counter evidence to dispute that theory.

I'm in strong agreement that she probably perished without outside influence of a third party. I think if anything major was found by the FM or the PIs we would have heard about it.

Orko Kringer wrote:

She emailed her professors and her work places to BUY HERSELF TIME.
If she misses a day or two of scheduled work, I am pretty sure her parents would've been notified. Asking for a week off because of a death gives her a whole week before anyone would ever even think to start calling her parents to find out where she might be.

That is absolutely 100% wrong. Did you ever go to college? Have you ever known people that went to umass specifically?
She could have literally missed weeks of school or work and her parents would never have been notified, this isn't high school. Maura was 21, she was an adult. The school absolutely does not notify parents when students miss school or work, that's completely ridiculous.
If she missed work without an excuses absence, she would have been fired.
If she missed class she would have failed.
That's how pretty much any college I've ever heard of works, especially the large ones like umass.

Jenkins wrote:

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That is absolutely 100% wrong. Did you ever go to college? Have you ever known people that went to umass specifically?
She could have literally missed weeks of school or work and her parents would never have been notified, this isn't high school. Maura was 21, she was an adult. The school absolutely does not notify parents when students miss school or work, that's completely ridiculous.
If she missed work without an excuses absence, she would have been fired.
If she missed class she would have failed.
That's how pretty much any college I've ever heard of works, especially the large ones like umass.

She emails her professor, but says nothing to her friends.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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She emails her professor, but says nothing to her friends.

Exactly, she doesnt need an excused absence to be away from her friends for a few days.
Do you think her friends are going to start calling her parents because they don't see her for a few days?? I don't think so, unless she had a really strange group of friends

Jenkins wrote:

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Exactly, she doesnt need an excused absence to be away from her friends for a few days.
Do you think her friends are going to start calling her parents because they don't see her for a few days?? I don't think so, unless she had a really strange group of friends

It is in many ways the perfect escape path. No one will be wondering where she is (professors) and it may give her some leeway with them on her workload and certainly those that know (friends coworkers) will not contact family to see why she is missing. The "oh my god, no one can find Maura or her car". No one would find it odd that she would be missing for several days with a death in the family. Since she didn't tell her family, they didn't know or were they likely to find out.

The car crash kind of screwed this entire well laid out escape plan up in a very big way.

Bill

Bill I think what your missing is the fact that she didn't need an escape plan, she was an adult going to college, they don't go looking for you of Yur not around for a week.
She didn't say anything to her friends about the death in the family, so clearly she wasn't too worried about them wondering where she was.
She told her professors, so she could get an excused absence.

If her intent was suicide she would have known shed have at least a week before anybody would really be wondering where she was.
Her professors and boss just wouldn't go looking for her or contact her family; not gonna happen, especially at a big school like umass. It would probably be a few weeks before her professors even noticed she was missing.
I've seen a lot of kids miss a lot of class at umass and trust me, they Definetly definetely don't go looking for you.

Does anyone actually believe that her professors would contact her family? Why would anyone think that? What colleges did you guys attend?

I still think the lie about the death in the family shows clear intent for her to return to classes. Again, a death in the family is the only excuse you can use where you'll get an excused absence, excused being the key word here.
If your leaving college with the intent to end your life you would have more than enough time to do so before anyone would be wondering where you are.

Jenkins wrote:

Bill I think what your missing is the fact that she didn't need an escape plan, she was an adult going to college, they don't go looking for you of Yur not around for a week.
She didn't say anything to her friends about the death in the family, so clearly she wasn't too worried about them wondering where she was.
She told her professors, so she could get an excused absence.
If her intent was suicide she would have known shed have at least a week before anybody would really be wondering where she was.
Her professors and boss just wouldn't go looking for her or contact her family; not gonna happen, especially at a big school like umass. It would probably be a few weeks before her professors even noticed she was missing.
I've seen a lot of kids miss a lot of class at umass and trust me, they Definetly definetely don't go looking for you.
Does anyone actually believe that her professors would contact her family? Why would anyone think that? What colleges did you guys attend?
I still think the lie about the death in the family shows clear intent for her to return to classes. Again, a death in the family is the only excuse you can use where you'll get an excused absence, excused being the key word here.
If your leaving college with the intent to end your life you would have more than enough time to do so before anyone would be wondering where you are.

You are missing my point. I absolutely agree that professors don't call adults parents, never have. The death story does give Maura some leeway with the professors as far as assignments. I would think that Maura may have let some of her friends know about this "death" and not worry about them. Not something she would have done by email but something she likely needed to do if she didn't want this to blow up in her face. Her friends would have known her schedule, known what classes she could not miss. If they had no idea where she was it could have screwed up her plans if they reported her absence to her family or the police. The friends, I would think would know. Whether she told them or found out from the professors or employers I am sure the word got out. Her friends would pose the greatest risk of her little lie being found out, not the professors.

Just my thoughts.

Bill

Jenkins wrote:

She told her professors, so she could get an excused absence.

This reminds me of something I've never seen addressed anywhere. She goes to the trouble to alert her professors, but did she ever tell her supervisor at her security job that she would be gone? Anybody know?