Maura Murray

Ok frmLE they're both working it... That makes perfect sense.
But didn't a few posts back you say that major crimes didn't work the case?
Isn't that what we are talking about right now?

Now your saying they're both working it/have worked it?

This is an interesting quote I just read from RO.
This was posted a couple months ago by jwb. I was reading some of the old posts from while I was away for work this summer.

Post from RO talking about her interaction with JKM:

"He went to the call only to make sure that the accident did not occur in his jurisdiction, which it did not."

I guess we can assume JKM was one of the participants in the argument over jurisdiction someone claims they heard in their back yard. Clearly jurisdiction means a little more to the sp in nh than I thought if he actually mentioned it to RO when he saw her.
I just find it interesting that he mentioned that to RO and we have the report about an argument over jurisdiction.
The report was given to citigirl herself, iirc.

Advocate wrote:

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Although, Monahan was off duty when he went by the accident scene on Feb 9th. That's why he made no report, and probably why Scarinza didn't hear anything from Monahan about it. On the 9th, it was still just a possible DUI incident.

Where did you get your info and documentation from stating Monahan was not on duty that night? Thank you.

I remember very well, at the 10/2006 search when one PI said to me "Jurisdiction". I had asked what problem(s) they had encountered. I attempted further explanation...and got nowhere fast.

Haverhill Town Report 2005? had had problems within their PD..(ie training of new officers who left for other Towns)

AND, there were other conflicts within NHSP

No, I am not going to dig for those articles...

Jenkins wrote:

This is an interesting quote I just read from RO.
This was posted a couple months ago by jwb. I was reading some of the old posts from while I was away for work this summer.
Post from RO talking about her interaction with JKM:
"He went to the call only to make sure that the accident did not occur in his jurisdiction, which it did not."
I guess we can assume JKM was one of the participants in the argument over jurisdiction someone claims they heard in their back yard. Clearly jurisdiction means a little more to the sp in nh than I thought if he actually mentioned it to RO when he saw her.
I just find it interesting that he mentioned that to RO and we have the report about an argument over jurisdiction.
The report was given to citigirl herself, iirc.

A witness had said they heard arguing in there back yard as to whose jurisdiction it was.This witness who heard this actually came to the motel we were staying at and gave us this piece of info. SBD also told us that Monahan was on the scene the night Maura disappeared

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Citigirl - for what reason did you and other family memembers believe MM met foul play. FM (who saw and spoke to her last) believes she took her own life which is on the complete other end of the spectrum.
When was the last time you spoke to MM?

It was actually LE that thought she commited suicide.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>It was actually LE that thought she commited suicide.

It was fred who actually introduced the theory of suicide.

Fred may have gone on to have statement remorse, but it was clearly fred who introduced it.

Jenkins wrote:

That sounds about right orko, there would have to be something else that's fairly major besides a stupid car crash that would drive her to suicide.
So before you went to Amherst and found out the vasi hit and run location was close to her work what made you think she committed suicide?
A few pages back you said you had "plenty" to indicate suicide. So far the only thing that I've seen you post is the "squaw walk" comment. Do you actually have anything else or is that it? Is that what you consider plenty?

Correction for you Jenkins.

I actually came to amherst and drove from the dorm maura worked to where petrit was hit and while I did note in amazement at the time at how it was just a block away, I still DID NOT believe maura had anything to do with it. The intersection where petrit was hit (at least when I was there) was extremely busy with both foot and car traffic. I wouldn't think anyone could get away with a hit and run there and not be seen by someone.

It's only recently that I began taking a close look at all the info out about petrit vasi and his situation that night and began to rule out all the information that has been used in the past to say that there was no way maura could've been involved.

And that is where I am at.

I don't have any concrete proof she was involved, but also everything I believed before that would excuse her involvement has basically been proven to be false.

Shack wrote:

I remember very well, at the 10/2006 search when one PI said to me "Jurisdiction". I had asked what problem(s) they had encountered. I attempted further explanation...and got nowhere fast.
Haverhill Town Report 2005? had had problems within their PD..(ie training of new officers who left for other Towns)
AND, there were other conflicts within NHSP
No, I am not going to dig for those articles...

Ah yes. From one of the best and most reliable sources we have. Third hand information, or worse. Her interpretation of a single word she thinks she heard from a PI who might have heard something that he has interpreted from someone else, but wouldn't or couldn't explain to someone who likely wasn't smart enough to understand the answer. Proven over and over to be a wealth of useful information. PFFFFT!

Bill

Jenkins wrote:

That sounds about right orko, there would have to be something else that's fairly major besides a stupid car crash that would drive her to suicide.
So before you went to Amherst and found out the vasi hit and run location was close to her work what made you think she committed suicide?
A few pages back you said you had "plenty" to indicate suicide. So far the only thing that I've seen you post is the "squaw walk" comment. Do you actually have anything else or is that it? Is that what you consider plenty?

Onto your other question.

I can't figure out why someone would pack up their dorm and leave everything neatly stacked on their bed with old personal notes that don't feature a warm and fuzzy picture of a relationship ... for themselves for when they return from a mini break.

I can't figure out why someone would go away for a whole week, yet only pack sweats and underclothing to include the exact same sweater and pair of gray sweats they had worn recently while on a hiking adventure with their father. And if they were starting a new life, I would think they would need to take more than a two pairs of sweats and tennis shoes.

I also can't figure out why someone would head almost three hours away after emptying their bank account in a car that was on its last leg ... for a joyous vacation or a secret lovers rendezvous.

I also can't figure out why someone would need so much alcohol to go off into the white mountains with. Was there a big Maroon 5 concert in the mountains going on or something. IF alone, then was she stockpiling for in case a nuclear war broke out and she would have a good survival stash to get at.

I also can't figure out why someone (who just had a major meltdown at work and smashed her dad's car) would be heading off for any kind of vacation/ lovers in the mountain fun time getaway just a few days later. Seems like someone who had just told her boyfriend she didn't feel like talking to much of anyone, might not be in the mood for a big adventure.

But other than that, I haven't a clue why she might've been a little depressed and suicidal.

People often drive off into the mountains, loaded with alcohol by themselves in the middle of the night with a creepy book all about the noble fight of dying in the mountains (Not Without Peril).

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Where did you get your info and documentation from stating Monahan was not on duty that night? Thank you.

Oops -- my apology! Apparently Monahan WAS on duty, I guess I confused myself since he was not required to fill out a statement (per Section 106-B:15).

Thanks for catching this, Citigirl!

Off topic (I know), but interesting in that a student under pressure just snaps.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/04/linn...

The search will resume on Friday for California college student Linnea Lomax, who has been missing since June.

"The KlaasKids Foundation is coming back to complete searching areas along the Sacramento River -- areas they previously wanted to search,"

Lomax, a 19-year-old student at the University of California, Davis, was last seen at an outpatient clinic on Howe Ave. in Sacramento on June 26. She was at the clinic for an all-day visit, but she walked out for lunch and never came back

According to Hutchison, Lomax recently suffered a mental breakdown while studying for finals.

Individuals who would like to participate in the next search must be at least 18 years old and must bring a photo ID. It is recommended that volunteers wear sturdy shoes, long pants and long sleeves. Volunteers should also bring gloves, walking sticks and backpacks to carry water.

My reason for adding to the first post was to show that not all casesof missing and endangered people cases are cut off so it seems, from the general public.

I wish there could be a search again in the 5-10 mile radious, just in case something of Maura's is found.

In Linnea's case, it was her notebook that was found and even though she too could have accepted a ride, they are looking for more of her belongings in that "first" area.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>It was actually LE that thought she commited suicide.

Citigirl your reply to this post only strengthens my theories. My post: Citigirl - for what reason did you and other family memembers believe MM met foul play. FM (who saw and spoke to her last) believes she took her own life which is on the complete other end of the spectrum.
When was the last time you spoke to MM?

You don't answer the two main questions in this post:
1. What reason makes you think foul play
2. When was the last time you spoke to Maura

Your only statement is about LE. Fred made the statement about the squawalk so even if LE thought suicide he helped strengthen it. Any theory that you may have is your theory, but I believe FM saw MM last on that sunday morning, and spoke to her last on that sunday night. He must have known her emotional and mental state better than you.

I don't think any new evidence was found in any searches because we would have heard about it. I don't know how family can think any thing different than what FM stated considering he was last person to have contact.

Advocate wrote:

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Oops -- my apology! Apparently Monahan WAS on duty, I guess I confused myself since he was not required to fill out a statement (per Section 106-B:15).
Thanks for catching this, Citigirl!

Advocate, I thought he was off duty too. Someone from that area told me he was not on duty that night, so I took it to be true.
Thanks Citi! It's good to have the truth. I don't know that it matters, but it's still something I'll bet many people thought.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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There has never been debate if he said it. Only, according to him, the context.
As far as initial knee jerk, you should really look up the phrase "excited utterances".
Bill

I had to wiki "excited utterances" and I learned something new yesterday.

Scarinza backs up the article that MCU is involved with the case but says "Scarinza also says it's not true the state police Major Crimes Unit is only now getting
involved in the Maura Murray case."

I interpret this as saying that they were involved earlier than june 2004 when the article was written.

From : http://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/nhsp/isb/m...

"Located within the Investigative Services Bureau, the Major Crime Unit was created out of the necessity for highly trained, task-specific investigators assigned to handle the most egregious and sensitive offenses. The unit's primary responsibility is homicide investigation. Specialized sections within the unit include: Crime Scene Services, Computer Crime, Cold Cases, Missing Persons, ViCAP and Corrections Liaison.

Article:

Major Crimes Unit Involved
Maura Murray Case
BY GARY E. LINDSLEY, Staff Writer 6/29/04

- "The New Hampshire State Police Major Crimes Unit is now involved in the disappearance of 22-
year-old Maura Murray.

Murray, a University of Massachusetts at Amherst nursing student, has been missing since she was
involved in a minor one-car accident the night of Feb. 9.

Her father, Fred, said the Major Crimes Unit earlier this month requested that everything present in
Maura's black 1996 Saturn at the time of the accident be returned so a forensics investigation may
be conducted.

At the time of the accident, Maura had about a week's worth of clothing, books for her college
classes and diamond jewelry with her.

Everything in the car was turned over to family members after the accident.

Police Secure Murray Items For Evidence
Lieutenant Says Major Crimes Involved Since Beginning
BY GARY E. LINDSLEY, Staff Writer 7/1/04

- State police say they have secured items from a missing 22-year-old University of Massachusetts
at Amherst nursing student as possible evidence.

Lt. John Scarinza, commander of New Hampshire State Police Troop F, says the items are being
held, possibly for further investigation.

However, Scarinza also says it's not true the state police Major Crimes Unit is only now getting
involved in the Maura Murray case."

MY interpretation is that maura was considered a missing person and that is the reason the MCU was involved. They offer a certain expertise.However, it looks like they were involved early on in the case.

Troop f appears to be handleing the case and MCU is helping out. I would imagine that this is how it generally works. LE working together.

JWB wrote:

Troop f appears to be handleing the case and MCU is helping out. I would imagine that this is how it generally works. LE working together.

I concur, this is in fact how it generally works.

Nothing can be infered from the fact that major crimes has been involved in this or any other case, nor can anything be infered from the fact that the NHCCU has this among it's many other active case files of missing persons or unsolved crimes.

The only thing that can be infered from any of that is that Maura is still a missing person and nobody knows what happened to her.

To make any other inferences (jenkins) is incorrect and you only deomostrate your lack of understanding of how Law Enforcement works in NH.