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WTH-the-original wrote:

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Correct. I am skeptical of everyone. I know something about people that talk crap. I have seen it and am pretty good at recognizing it. I have seen nothing that FrmLE has said that makes me think he is not who he says he is and many things he has said that makes me think he is who he says he is. And he has contributed enough that if he was full of crap, I am pretty sure he would have tripped up on something by now.
I believe what he says, far more than others that I could mention.
Bill

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If he is lying then he is one of the better liars I have seen, and he should probably go do something more profitable with his time like get into mortgage fraud or run for President.:-)

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FrmLE wrote:

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Hahhhaa, you really made me chuckle, thanks Amy!
As you all know I try very hard to maintain my anonymity on this forum, for obvious reasons. For that reason I will decline comment other than to say I will not be able to reply later this evening, I have other obligations in the Charlotte, NC area.:)
Hope for change.

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Onto your other question.
I can't figure out why someone would pack up their dorm and leave everything neatly stacked on their bed with old personal notes that don't feature a warm and fuzzy picture of a relationship ... for themselves for when they return from a mini break.
I can't figure out why someone would go away for a whole week, yet only pack sweats and underclothing to include the exact same sweater and pair of gray sweats they had worn recently while on a hiking adventure with their father. And if they were starting a new life, I would think they would need to take more than a two pairs of sweats and tennis shoes.
I also can't figure out why someone would head almost three hours away after emptying their bank account in a car that was on its last leg ... for a joyous vacation or a secret lovers rendezvous.
I also can't figure out why someone would need so much alcohol to go off into the white mountains with. Was there a big Maroon 5 concert in the mountains going on or something. IF alone, then was she stockpiling for in case a nuclear war broke out and she would have a good survival stash to get at.
I also can't figure out why someone (who just had a major meltdown at work and smashed her dad's car) would be heading off for any kind of vacation/ lovers in the mountain fun time getaway just a few days later. Seems like someone who had just told her boyfriend she didn't feel like talking to much of anyone, might not be in the mood for a big adventure.
But other than that, I haven't a clue why she might've been a little depressed and suicidal.
People often drive off into the mountains, loaded with alcohol by themselves in the middle of the night with a creepy book all about the noble fight of dying in the mountains (Not Without Peril).

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Jenkins wrote:

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Are you sure your not looking at this stuff thought the lens of your suicide theory and therefore trying to make them fit with your theory?
First of all we don't know for sure that she packed her room specifically for this trip. There has been much speculation that she had another bf and ha been staying off campus with him. It's very possible this is why she had the boxes packed. It's also very possible this is why the emails dealing with her relationship with billy were on top of them.
Maybe she wasn't planning on starting a new life but rather just spending a couple days in nh? Why should she need anything else if she was going by herself? Also, are we absolutely sure this is all she packed? How does anybody know that is all she brought with her? Isn't it entirely possible she brought another bag we aren't aware of with a little more clothes?
Third point- how do we even know her car was on its last leg? Fred is pretty much the only one who said this, are we taking his word for it? Her car probably wasn't perfect but it couldn't have been that bad considering the time it took her to get to nh. What is there for evidence her car was on its last leg? She has recently drove it to Amherst and then she drove it up to nh, she couldn't have been that worried about it..
Was it really that much alcohol? She had a box of wine, a six pack of Seagrams and a bottle of khalua, not exactly the kind of alcohol one would drink themselves to death with. Also she brought kahlua, you don't drink that by itself. What was she gonna mix it with? That to me indicates her possibly meeting someone in nh. She brought some wine, it's not like you have to drink a whole box of wine. Did you ever go to college? Have you gone recently? That isn't that much alcohol at all, certainly not close to enough for a nuclear war stockpile lol. What's it gonna last her 3 days?
Maybe the meltdown at work and the car crash were the exact reason she would want toget away for a few days?

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Oops -- my apology! Apparently Monahan WAS on duty, I guess I confused myself since he was not required to fill out a statement (per Section 106-B:15).
Thanks for catching this, Citigirl!

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FrmLE wrote:

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Hahhhaa, you really made me chuckle, thanks Amy!
As you all know I try very hard to maintain my anonymity on this forum, for obvious reasons. For that reason I will decline comment other than to say I will not be able to reply later this evening, I have other obligations in the Charlotte, NC area.:)
Hope for change.

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Jenkins wrote:

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Maybe she didn't feel like talking to much of anybody, except her new bf?
You still haven't really shown any reason why she was suicidal in the first case. I really think your tryin to stretch some facts to fit in with your theory

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Jenkins wrote:

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Are you sure your not looking at this stuff thought the lens of your suicide theory and therefore trying to make them fit with your theory?
First of all we don't know for sure that she packed her room specifically for this trip. There has been much speculation that she had another bf and ha been staying off campus with him. It's very possible this is why she had the boxes packed. It's also very possible this is why the emails dealing with her relationship with billy were on top of them.
Maybe she wasn't planning on starting a new life but rather just spending a couple days in nh? Why should she need anything else if she was going by herself? Also, are we absolutely sure this is all she packed? How does anybody know that is all she brought with her? Isn't it entirely possible she brought another bag we aren't aware of with a little more clothes?
Third point- how do we even know her car was on its last leg? Fred is pretty much the only one who said this, are we taking his word for it? Her car probably wasn't perfect but it couldn't have been that bad considering the time it took her to get to nh. What is there for evidence her car was on its last leg? She has recently drove it to Amherst and then she drove it up to nh, she couldn't have been that worried about it..
Was it really that much alcohol? She had a box of wine, a six pack of Seagrams and a bottle of khalua, not exactly the kind of alcohol one would drink themselves to death with. Also she brought kahlua, you don't drink that by itself. What was she gonna mix it with? That to me indicates her possibly meeting someone in nh. She brought some wine, it's not like you have to drink a whole box of wine. Did you ever go to college? Have you gone recently? That isn't that much alcohol at all, certainly not close to enough for a nuclear war stockpile lol. What's it gonna last her 3 days?
Maybe the meltdown at work and the car crash were the exact reason she would want toget away for a few days?

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amy researches wrote:

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Hi Bill. I agree. Judging by his posts about the case, I believe that he has seen the case file. His answers to my questions about the case have always made sense, so that is really all I can go by. If he is lying then he is one of the better liars I have seen, and he should probably go do something more profitable with his time like get into mortgage fraud or run for President.:-)

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FrmLE wrote:

A word of advice. Debating this, or any topic with jenkins is a complete and utter waste of time and energy. No matter what you say or how convincing your point, he will counter it and will make up any 'fact' or embellishment tosupport "his" position.
Trust me on this, arguing with him is like arguing with the crazy bag lady on the street corner with the shopping cart, no matter what you say it will all be for naught. He is the kig of lies, the master(bater) of spin, the Ayatolla of embelishment.
He has lots of time,(not sure if he is still unemployed or not) and he uses that time to sit and hammer out looonnnggg wordy posts that obfuscate and confuse.
Do as you wish, just remember I warned you.
:)

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Jenkins - "Maura only wanted to speak to her new BF?" I didn't even know she had a new BF? Ididn't know it was a fact that she only wanted to speak to him?
Then in the same email you accuse someone else of stretching facts to fit their theory. You have her with a new BF that she only wanted to speak with, and best of all that she was living with, but keeping her belongings packed up somewhere else.

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Jenkins - if she was living with her BF wouldn't her stuff already be with the BF and she wouldn't have to put anything into boxes?
Do you think she was trying to trick everyone?
I think a lot of effort has been made to make everyone think that everything was okay with her, but it wasn't.
To say that she had all of her stuff packed up, but was living somewhere else is a great example.

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Maruchan wrote:

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Agree. It was nice here for a while, there was actually some coherent discussion going on. But now it is back to people having to waste time clearing up all the "facts" that are not facts that Jenkins spews. Too bad for all involved.

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Orko Kringer wrote:

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On your first point:
There isn't one shred or inkling of evidence that maura had another boyfriend.
She may have had a fling with a member of her track team (not that uncommon). Maura did not have a secret boyfriend that she was living with. She talked to her sister every night, her sister would know and her sister would not be hiding that info to this day,
On your second point:
We are sure that is all she packed. Her car's contents were given to the family and the rest of her stuff was back in her dorm.
On the rest of your points:
I agree we are taking fred's word and some of her friends that the car was in the shape that it was. It may or may not be true.(I still don't see how this changes much either way when discussing a suicide theory).
She wasn't stockpiling alcohol for a nuclear war, I was exaggerating my point there. But she had plenty of alcohol to go away for a few days with. With someone with limited money resources as Maura (being a college student), I would think that the amount of alcohol she purchased was a bit unusual. I would think most of the money she had would have to go towards lodging if she was planning on being gone a week.
If she was meeting another guy up in the mountains (almost impossible) she would've left a trace behind (email correspondence, etc ...)

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Advocate wrote:

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Oops -- my apology! Apparently Monahan WAS on duty, I guess I confused myself since he was not required to fill out a statement (per Section 106-B:15).
Thanks for catching this, Citigirl!