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regardless of whether or not he did visit maura often it makes no sense.

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findmaura wrote:
Jenkins,I agree the ATM video thing has always seemed odd.Maybe Citigirl could offer insight..Why wouldnt they allow the family to I.D. her on the video?It must contain some strong evidence.
Jenkins,I for 1 enjoy your posts..I think you make the hidden agenda gang nervous hence their neverending attacks.
I always get a kick out of the phrase "hidden agenda" Obviously if you could see their agenda to reveal the "hidden agenda" it was never really hidden was it?
I like strategy it makes your opposition to arguements seem "dark and mysterious" and makes you question their every comment to try to figure out the actual "hidden agenda" that isn't hidden at all.

The bigger irony is you ask for citigirl's insight who has admitted that she can't and won't share certain "facts". I respect citigirl's privacy she doesn't have to share a dam thing, but when someone can't or won't give you all of the facts they are giving you "their own agenda" but then you accuse others of a "hidden agenda"
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A hidden agenda is an undisclosed plan, especially one with an ulterior motive. The agenda is generally visable but, one can only surmise at to what the reasonings or motive is behind it.(hence hidden agenda)

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JWB wrote:
A hidden agenda is an undisclosed plan, especially one with an ulterior motive. The agenda is generally visable but, one can only surmise at to what the reasonings or motive is behind it.(hence hidden agenda)
Wow, thanks for explaining the definition of "hidden agenda".
That explains all the untruths and false accusations we've been told for over 8 years. An undisclosed plan with an ulterior motive.
I doubt we'll ever know the motive behind it.
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Wowzer the real one wrote:
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Wow, thanks for explaining the definition of "hidden agenda".
That explains all the untruths and false accusations we've been told for over 8 years. An undisclosed plan with an ulterior motive.
I doubt we'll ever know the motive behind it.
Well, what do ya know, the hidden agenda queen herself. The word agenda comes up and she crawls out of her cave. I don't remember the name Wowzer even coming up. I guess hidden agenda must qapply to Wowzer.
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Wowzer the real one wrote:
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Wow, thanks for explaining the definition of "hidden agenda".
That explains all the untruths and false accusations we've been told for over 8 years. An undisclosed plan with an ulterior motive.
I doubt we'll ever know the motive behind it.
I advised you not chat with JWB.This is my last reminder . I will have to cease my advisorship on your behalf if you continue ignore my advice.

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JWB wrote:
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Well, what do ya know, the hidden agenda queen herself. The word agenda comes up and she crawls out of her cave. I don't remember the name Wowzer even coming up. I guess hidden agenda must qapply to Wowzer.
I've always been honest and to the point. No reason for me to have a hidden agenda. I've been posting here as time allows. Unfortunately I don't have time to sit on my butt in front of the computer and argue with a bunch of children.
Again I'll point out to you that this is a public forum and anyone can post a reply. As long as I'm not asking you what you can see from your window as you did to me I see no reason for you to be upset at what I post here.
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That's it I quit

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I advised you not chat with JWB.This is my last reminder . I will have to cease my advisorship on your behalf if you continue ignore my advice.
As I stated below this is a public forum JWB and I can reply to whoever posts here. That doesn't mean that anyone feels they have to reply back. I didn't see anyone twisting your arm to reply back to me. Just ignore me if it bothers you so much.
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You certainly can talk to anyone you wish as it is a public forum . You told me a while back that you were no longer talking to me per advice from your advisor.I am glad that you are talking to me again.

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JWB wrote:
A hidden agenda is an undisclosed plan, especially one with an ulterior motive. The agenda is generally visable but, one can only surmise at to what the reasonings or motive is behind it.(hence hidden agenda)
So what can we surmise about the meaning "squawalk" and why would someone say that? If he really didn't think she was going to kill herself then why say it?

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So what can we surmise about the meaning "squawalk" and why would someone say that? If he really didn't think she was going to kill herself then why say it?
Hi Lighthouse. Just my opinion but I don't put a lot of weight behind the squaw walk statement. Keep in mind that he and other family members were also on the news at the beginning begging her to come home and saying that she wouldn't get in trouble, that they could work it out. I take this to mean that Fred and the family initially also considered the possibility she might have run away.

If my child goes missing I might have all kinds of possibilities running through my mind too - run away, suicide, foul play. If the last time I saw my daughter she was upset over crashing my car, and then she has another accident a few days later and is possibly facing a DUI situation, in those first few days I would probably react in the same way - hoping that she didn't kill herself or run away.

What I would be interested to know is at what point did Fred change his mind to suspecting foul play and/or why did he come to that conclusion?

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Hi Lighthouse. Just my opinion but I don't put a lot of weight behind the squaw walk statement. Keep in mind that he and other family members were also on the news at the beginning begging her to come home and saying that she wouldn't get in trouble
This is also another opinion I'd like to make(its my opinion and could be wrong). Her family is appealing to her on the news reports that I saw. I never saw a news clip that shows the family pleading to her kidnapper if she was kidnapped. Did that happen? Cause all I see is family trying to reason to her.

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Hahhhaa, you really made me chuckle, thanks Amy!
As you all know I try very hard to maintain my anonymity on this forum, for obvious reasons. For that reason I will decline comment other than to say I will not be able to reply later this evening, I have other obligations in the Charlotte, NC area.:)
Hope for change.
Haha. Awesome. Ooooh, I hope this becomes fodder for the hidden agenda rumor mill! The Big Reveal: FrmLE only posts on topix to gain rapport with the common man as part of his presidential campaign. All that's missing is an eloquent speech about "legitimate rape" and you're golden. FRMLE FOR PRESIDENT. WTF FOR VP.:-)

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This is also another opinion I'd like to make(its my opinion and could be wrong). Her family is appealing to her on the news reports that I saw. I never saw a news clip that shows the family pleading to her kidnapper if she was kidnapped. Did that happen? Cause all I see is family trying to reason to her.
I'm not sure if there was one but I didn't see any appeal to an abductor.

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amy researches wrote:
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I'm not sure if there was one but I didn't see any appeal to an abductor.
I can't seem to find one. If everything was going great and everything was fine in her life. You would think kidnap by third party would be the first thing that comes to mind.

However the pleas from family are made to MM and not to anyone else. So at that moment I think that they thought she was still incontrol of her own destiny. Foul Play (which kidnapping would have to happen first to get her away from the car) was not introduced until much later.

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I can't seem to find one. If everything was going great and everything was fine in her life. You would think kidnap by third party would be the first thing that comes to mind.
However the pleas from family are made to MM and not to anyone else. So at that moment I think that they thought she was still incontrol of her own destiny. Foul Play (which kidnapping would have to happen first to get her away from the car) was not introduced until much later.
IMO, a Foul play Boogeyman theory was used as a gimmick to put pressure on the investigators.

Fred and Maura's mother were both very unhappy with the way the investigators were treating their daughter's case and they had to do something to bring attention to the way the case was being handled.
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IMO, a Foul play Boogeyman theory was used as a gimmick to put pressure on the investigators.
Fred and Maura's mother were both very unhappy with the way the investigators were treating their daughter's case and they had to do something to bring attention to the way the case was being handled.
Not for nothing, in my experience nearly every parent or family member of a missing person or unsolved crime is unhappy with the way investigator's treat the case. I simply that this as a point of fact with no intended inference.

In our business there are fairly few happy victims, it is the nature of the job, we deal with mostly unfortunate situations. Even if we find the suspect, arrest them and convict them unless they get the death sentence the family often feels the sentence isn't long enough, harsh enough.

Missing persons are especially tough, because unless you find the person happy healthy and quickly, the family mostly thinks police didn't do enough, didn't devote enough resources, wasn't smart enough, etc.

This case is a perfect example, consider that on the night of the accident this was an extremely common accident situation cops face all the time. A Single car crash at night where alcohol is involved and the driver leaves the scene to avoid police.

THIS Happens ALL THE TIME, however in this case countless people continue to say that the cops didn't do enough, why wasn't there a full scale search, why didn't they go East instead of west, why wasn't the National Guard called out, why no dogs, why why why..

See? It is the nature of the job, and frankly I am sure if it was my kid I would probably lose all objectivity and feel the same way. Personal loss defies common sense and rational thinking. Just look at the other thread, Patric McCarthy's family refuses the accept the truth because it hurts so much. I get it.
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FrmLE wrote:
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Not for nothing, in my experience nearly every parent or family member of a missing person or unsolved crime is unhappy with the way investigator's treat the case. I simply that this as a point of fact with no intended inference.
In our business there are fairly few happy victims, it is the nature of the job, we deal with mostly unfortunate situations. Even if we find the suspect, arrest them and convict them unless they get the death sentence the family often feels the sentence isn't long enough, harsh enough.
Missing persons are especially tough, because unless you find the person happy healthy and quickly, the family mostly thinks police didn't do enough, didn't devote enough resources, wasn't smart enough, etc.
This case is a perfect example, consider that on the night of the accident this was an extremely common accident situation cops face all the time. A Single car crash at night where alcohol is involved and the driver leaves the scene to avoid police.
THIS Happens ALL THE TIME, however in this case countless people continue to say that the cops didn't do enough, why wasn't there a full scale search, why didn't they go East instead of west, why wasn't the National Guard called out, why no dogs, why why why..
See? It is the nature of the job, and frankly I am sure if it was my kid I would probably lose all objectivity and feel the same way. Personal loss defies common sense and rational thinking. Just look at the other thread, Patric McCarthy's family refuses the accept the truth because it hurts so much. I get it.
I agreed with most everything in your post except for the comment "why didn't they go east instead of west." Searching in only one direction defies logic unless it was known that she went west. The rest of your post I absolutely agree with I just think common sense says to look in both directions..
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FRMLE question:

Do you think that LE would have approached things a little differently if they didn't find evidence of alcohol at the scene? The reason I ask this is because the acohol and running away from the scene always seems to be brought up to justify the reactions of LE on Feb 9th.

If your answer is yes.

what would LE have done differently if alcohol was not present at the scene?

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