Maura Murray

Snowy wrote:

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again, i receive your kindness graciously. truth be told, WTF/Bill has a wealth of knowledge and experience that he cheerfully lends to the cause of finding Maura. i respect him, and believe his expertise in wilderness search and rescue, his education, logic and reason are just what is needed to counteract some of the more hysterical claims.
he isn't combative....he just sticks to the facts.
he used to have a fabulous sense of humor, but probably has less of an opportunity to apply that gift over the past year. he witnessed the SBD being crucified, and stepped up to honor his memory.
i didn't jump in here until there were 10,000+ posts....i don't keep tabs of dates/times/places/details...i just fly by my own beliefs and experiences.
not to worry, Bill....WTF/Bill is a genuine
human being. he hasn't taken sides...and he operates from his world of experience, often with compassion and understanding.

I couldn't have said it any better Snowy. WTF is an asset to the forum with his knowledge and willingness to share it.

Snowy wrote:

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seriously, hannah_b, you are a major contributor....but what is the likelihood of someone's steadfast interest in a minor accident / disappearance from europe? ahemmm.
and, you know, this forum was flooded with proxy/multi-monikers for quite some time.....LG and SB even compiled a list one day.
you forgot to specify Kuwait.
i need to ask my computer expert how likely it is that a Blackberry jumps across distant locations.
if an apology is in order, i may back away from my suspicions.

I would be proud to be a resident of NH! And you have my full understanding for being suspicious of people locations. But if someone shows a sincere interest in the case it shouldn´t matter if s/he is posting from the moon.

Snowy wrote:***this is bullying. this is a personal attack. and there is silence....i don't see Anne piping up to beg for "civility".***
And you won't see her. She only comes to someone's aid if they quack.

Snowy wrote:

<quoted text> the woodchipper, once told, has become legend. any proof? of all the people passing thru....who needed to take Maura Murray? really. it hasn't happened before or since.

Snowy, you talk about facts. Do you know for a fact that this didn't happen? If not, take it for what it is - a rumor that may or may not be true.

If nobody passes along rumors to police or family, nothing ever gets said and nothing happens. There is nowhere to even start looking and no movement towards resolution.

If Maura was taken and harmed, it is unlikely the person who did it brought along an audience, therefore NOBODY has anything but rumors. But he/she may have said something to somebody when he/she had too much to drink. That starts the rumor.

ifuonlyknewinswiftwaternh wrote:

ive heard alot of rumors but one sticks out to me theres alot of old abandoned wells on alot of ower land out here and ive herd several times in the little genral store we have in town that marua was takin by a local man the police have questioned severl times .choped in a wood chipper n dumped in a well. maybe sumthing the family might want to look into.. iam just sayin with all the yrs ive livid around here this lil town never talked so much as when she disapered and there is alot of old land and forgotin wells.

Ifyouonlyknewinswiftwaternh, do you know of any wells in the immediate area?

Snowy wrote:

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ok. i can't shutup.
really, Roz, she couldn't have been hit and stashed in such a short window of time. there would have been a fuss....a commotion. footprints all around the site. and all too gruesome to consider that someone would take away a human being under those circumstances. that's what i meant by absurdity.

First of all read the documents. Accident report:
Road condition: normal,
Surface condition: DRY = NO FOOTPRINTS.

I would also point out that despite what has been reported on here the accident report also states
Light: dark no street light.

Hope_Eternal wrote:

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Snowy, you talk about facts. Do you know for a fact that this didn't happen? If not, take it for what it is - a rumor that may or may not be true.
If nobody passes along rumors to police or family, nothing ever gets said and nothing happens. There is nowhere to even start looking and no movement towards resolution.
If Maura was taken and harmed, it is unlikely the person who did it brought along an audience, therefore NOBODY has anything but rumors. But he/she may have said something to somebody when he/she had too much to drink. That starts the rumor.

how is it helpful to keep repeating something that hasn't been proven as fact? it is definitely an old rumor, and if i heard it some time ago, then surely people crucial to the investigation have knowledge of this rumor.

hannah_b wrote:

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I would be proud to be a resident of NH! And you have my full understanding for being suspicious of people locations. But if someone shows a sincere interest in the case it shouldn´t matter if s/he is posting from the moon.

a little authenticity goes a long way in life, but that may only be my preference. and, of course, that dynamic is more easily determined in face to face conversations.
online anonymity has many benefits....but using the cloak of anonymity to make terribly damaging accusations to the reputations of others, as has happened here, is on the low end of decency.
Sara doesn't fall into that category, of course.....but given the problem we've all identified some time ago, it matters that folks don't get away with that kind of behavior.

Hope_Eternal wrote:

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First of all read the documents. Accident report:
Road condition: normal,
Surface condition: DRY = NO FOOTPRINTS.
I would also point out that despite what has been reported on here the accident report also states
Light: dark no street light.

of course there are no street lights on certain country roads. there are no street lights on certain roads here, as well....and in VT, and elsewhere.
how many of thousands have traveled that road without incident?
there would be evidence of a hit and run....clothing is tossed around....blood from an oriface....imprints in snowbanks. that was a reasonable hour for travel....others would be passing by.
i'd believe she hopped in a car for a ride before i 'd believe it was a hit and run.

I can't believe the circus. Insane! This is doing nothing to get people to speak up and want to help The Murrays find their daughter. Not good naming names and bashing a community, how is that going to help? That is already part of the problem in this case. Can't bite the hand that feeds you, never works.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

Snowy wrote:***this is bullying. this is a personal attack. and there is silence....i don't see Anne piping up to beg for "civility".***
And you won't see her. She only comes to someone's aid if they quack.

wowzer and snowy, it strikes me as sad that this is the image you two wish to perpetuate concerning me. of course neither of you bully, after all wowzer, along with me you are local and snowy you are the caretaker for the abused locals. Is this really true? We really have only come from different presentations of a missing person in woodsville.

Snowy wrote:

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seriously, hannah_b, you are a major contributor....but what is the likelihood of someone's steadfast interest in a minor accident / disappearance from europe? ahemmm.
and, you know, this forum was flooded with proxy/multi-monikers for quite some time.....LG and SB even compiled a list one day.
you forgot to specify Kuwait.
i need to ask my computer expert how likely it is that a Blackberry jumps across distant locations.
if an apology is in order, i may back away from my suspicions.

Remeber to tell them that I use my home wirless internet network using the built in blackberry wireless card, not internet through my digicel phone carriers itself. A
nd the home internet ISP is Transact and they are based out of Canada. Hope that helps.

I remember people saying that the light may have been on, and coming from the weathered barn. Not that it matters much, but was it on?

Hope_Eternal wrote:

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Snowy, you talk about facts. Do you know for a fact that this didn't happen? If not, take it for what it is - a rumor that may or may not be true.
If nobody passes along rumors to police or family, nothing ever gets said and nothing happens. There is nowhere to even start looking and no movement towards resolution.
If Maura was taken and harmed, it is unlikely the person who did it brought along an audience, therefore NOBODY has anything but rumors. But he/she may have said something to somebody when he/she had too much to drink. That starts the rumor.

Hope, This is a good post with the most common rumor from the begiinning. There is always some basis in these rumors and your explanation rings of truth.

Sara wrote:

I can't believe the circus. Insane! This is doing nothing to get people to speak up and want to help The Murrays find their daughter. Not good naming names and bashing a community, how is that going to help? That is already part of the problem in this case. Can't bite the hand that feeds you, never works.

Sara, you are always the voice of reason!

Sara wrote:

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Remeber to tell them that I use my home wirless internet network using the built in blackberry wireless card, not internet through my digicel phone carriers itself. A
nd the home internet ISP is Transact and they are based out of Canada. Hope that helps.

i will. for the hell of it. and then i won't mention your location again. promise.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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I couldn't have said it any better Snowy. WTF is an asset to the forum with his knowledge and willingness to share it.

Thanks ladies. It is appreciated. The incredible irrationality of Bill05478 leads me to believe that he has some serious issues. I don’t have the time or even the interest to diagnose his issues. I also have little interest in interacting with him at this point because I think any person thinking clearly can see the irrationality so there really is no reason for me to engage him just like our religious whack-a-loon and our other egg stealing theorist. Letting those types of people have free reign will let others rapidly recognize how useless their speculation is. He has already in a few days created 144 entries. There is ample evidence in his writings of a seriously unbalanced individual. The more he writes the more evident it will be revealed to the readers of the irrationality of his thoughts. There is further evidence of this when there is any challenge, in the form of a simple question, to his train of thought and his reactions. Never responding to the question, but attacking the person instead.

So I’ll still talk with you rational people but will likely not respond to Bill. I’ll let him keep going until he self destructs. It’s likely at some point most if not all forum people will see what I see and not engage him either. That won’t make it much fun for him.

Bill

Here's a commandment for you, Stephen. Thou shalt not kill.

Stephen wrote:

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And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
And Jesus answered him, the first commandment is, Hear, O Isreal; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater then these.
Jesus loves you Anne.

Bill 05478 wrote:

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Oh no not a tough guy sitting behind his computer calling names wow, that really hurt. NOT!!!!! Loser!!!

Bill 05478,
I believe in an earlier post you mentioned having always kept in shape through various activities including hockey. Cannot recall if you mentioned other activities such as martial arts, weight lifting or anything else...think you may have mentioned weight training? Anyway, it seems many people who are active and very physically fit ususally recover more quickly from injuries. Undoubtedly this is what happened to you in terms of your back injury. Was there any previous,specific training(s) that you believe helped you recover from your back injury, helped you? Thanks.

Anne wrote:

<quoted text>wowzer and snowy, it strikes me as sad that this is the image you two wish to perpetuate concerning me. of course neither of you bully, after all wowzer, along with me you are local and snowy you are the caretaker for the abused locals. Is this really true? We really have only come from different presentations of a missing person in woodsville.

It makes me even sadder Anne. A new person comes to this forum and insults the people you claim you are one of(locals), bashes the whole area and you sit there and don't say a word.
I know you're friends might get upset at you for daring to stand up for for us locals but you really should grow a spine. And please don't keep calling yourself a local. A real local doesn't let his/her neighbors get bashed into the ground and just sit there and watch. Shame on you.