Maura Murray

oo00oo wrote:

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Still waiting...nope, not doing your homework. Lazy people hold no credibility in my book.
When I am older?? Ok, now I understand where you are coming from. You are a very old, bored person trying to inject yourself into something so that you feel important.
And apparently you are a male chauvinist, as your post to Snowy & playing with barbie dolls clearly shows.
I always had a dislike for fiction. So I guess I will continue not to read it.
Toodles!!

Homework? Sounds like you play the stock market????? Maybe? Just a little? Today, boys also play with Barbies....just like today girls play the stock market. Yes. Gender role socialization has hopefully experienced some modification since the time when Barbie was restricted to females only. However, there exists room for improvement in terms of gender role socialization barriers. In response to your fearfulness of age. Old, young, it makes no difference boredom recognizes no boundaries. Look at suicide statistics of America's youth and this becomes clear. Of course, then consider the suicide of the elderly... Boredom, exclusion, loneliness? Call it what you may....it is a "reality" for many age groups. You disclose that you've "always" disliked fiction. Why? Why "always?" Thanks.

Question. Does anyone know why some thought Maura may have been headed to Bartlett? I'd read some material yesterday in which this is mentioned... a Bartlett distination. Have since ran across this again...the belief Maura may have been headed to Bartlett. I know that because of a printout, many believed she may have been headed for the Stowe/Burlington area. Does anyone else recall Bartlett destination theory?

Most everything about this case is hearsay, even what I have written on here. But, even after I started looking at other possibilities people would go back to previous posts and attack me. I in turn would/will attack back. The only facts to this case are that MM got into her car and now MM is nowhere to be seen. Most if not all of you are getting your info from the media. Well there is a lot the media doesn't know yet either. The police cannot tell them just as they cannot tell FM anything for fear of compromising the case. We could sit here talking about all the scenarios and call each other names, but that gets us nowhere closer to finding out what happened to MM. This whole case is a mess and it has been since day one. Will one of us solve it? NO!! Could we dig up some info that could be useful in the police investigation? Possibly, but I doubt it. But what we can do is keep MM's memory alive. If I offended anyone I truly apologize.

Snowy wrote:

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of course there are no street lights on certain country roads. there are no street lights on certain roads here, as well....and in VT, and elsewhere.
how many of thousands have traveled that road without incident?
there would be evidence of a hit and run....clothing is tossed around....blood from an oriface....imprints in snowbanks. that was a reasonable hour for travel....others would be passing by.
i'd believe she hopped in a car for a ride before i 'd believe it was a hit and run.

Snowy there are actually a lot of accidents on that road, because of the poor lighting, all the twists and turns, and the damn moose.

Roz, I suggest you brush up on existing information about the case. You might try the entry about Maura on Wikipedia and the news series from the South Shore Express for some basic facts. I've included an excerpt below from the latter concerning your query.

The next day, Monday, Feb. 9, Maura made a number of phone calls.

Just before 1 p.m. she called Dominic and Linda Salamone, a couple who own a rental condominium at the Seasons at Attitash Resort in Bartlett, New Hampshire. Maura's family, which frequented the Bartlett area, had stayed at the Seasons, though never at this condominium.

The Salamones don't remember the conversation with Maura but they are certain she did not book their condominium. To do so on such short notice would have been impossible, explained Linda Salamone. "We don't operate like a hotel." Rentals must be booked far in advance in order for the Salamones to drop a key in the mail.

The call to the Salamones lasted about three minutes, records show. Linda Salamone speculates she might have offered Maura recommendations on other places to stay, though her memory was foggy by the time police finally interviewed her - nearly a year after Maura went missing.

rozShoem wrote:

Question. Does anyone know why some thought Maura may have been headed to Bartlett? I'd read some material yesterday in which this is mentioned... a Bartlett distination. Have since ran across this again...the belief Maura may have been headed to Bartlett. I know that because of a printout, many believed she may have been headed for the Stowe/Burlington area. Does anyone else recall Bartlett destination theory?

Pointless Endeavor wrote:

Here's a commandment for you, Stephen. Thou shalt not kill.
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Jesus loves you, e ven if your statements are pointless.

Bill 05478 wrote:

If I offended anyone I truly apologize.

Hugs.:)

Pointless Endeavor wrote:

Roz, I suggest you brush up on existing information about the case. You might try the entry about Maura on Wikipedia and the news series from the South Shore Express for some basic facts. I've included an excerpt below from the latter concerning your query.
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This isn't pointless. Why such a name?

rozShoem wrote:

Question. Does anyone know why some thought Maura may have been headed to Bartlett? I'd read some material yesterday in which this is mentioned... a Bartlett distination. Have since ran across this again...the belief Maura may have been headed to Bartlett. I know that because of a printout, many believed she may have been headed for the Stowe/Burlington area. Does anyone else recall Bartlett destination theory?

It's been discussed before. Nobody really knows. It would make sense, since apparently she was heading in that direction. If I remember she often visited that area with her father, so maybe she was returning there for some reason or another. But it seems that even the direction she was traveling was not known for certain, or even if she was in the car at all. The so-called basic facts indicate that she was heading east away from woodsville, doesn't mean someone there took her, doesn't mean that it didn't happen either. I think most of the so-called theories on this forum are just detractions, and when people point the finger its more about who they are pointing away from rather than who they are actually pointing towards. There are several reasons why a forum like this is valuable, but its really not for what is being said so much as who it is that's saying it.

Bill 05478 wrote:

Most everything about this case is hearsay, even what I have written on here. But, even after I started looking at other possibilities people would go back to previous posts and attack me. I in turn would/will attack back. The only facts to this case are that MM got into her car and now MM is nowhere to be seen. Most if not all of you are getting your info from the media. Well there is a lot the media doesn't know yet either. The police cannot tell them just as they cannot tell FM anything for fear of compromising the case. We could sit here talking about all the scenarios and call each other names, but that gets us nowhere closer to finding out what happened to MM. This whole case is a mess and it has been since day one. Will one of us solve it? NO!! Could we dig up some info that could be useful in the police investigation? Possibly, but I doubt it. But what we can do is keep MM's memory alive. If I offended anyone I truly apologize.

The participants of this forum have a wide variety of agendas. Some are trying to detract from finger pointing, others think they are psychologists, some are just curious and want justice, the new people always come in with there theories and then end up getting chewed up and spit out, they usually fall into the realm of speculation, sometimes all kinds of speculation will break out and people will entertain that for awhile, then people get pissed, attack each other, that kind of thing. Most people believe that when someone new posts that its always somebody from the past coming back. Usually they are right, sometimes they are not.

Most of the people who have stayed here, myself included, do the same thing you just did in post 2420. Try to keep the record straight. Anyone that wants to say anything can certainly do so, but expect that if the speculation has been heard 10 times before, over these last almost seven years, many of us have little patience for it. If the people writing had done even the smallest amount of research on the subject they would find that their "theory" has likely been hashed to death more than once before. And with most subjects like this were so little in actually known about her activity right after the crash, it suffers from "feature creep". In the past some people have repeated the same things over and over again with no evidence hoping to make that the de facto "truth".

So bottom line. Anyone can and has come to the site and proposed in some cases the most absurd theories imaginable. Those people didn't typically last long because when the questions were asked, they simply couldn't answer and the theory fell apart. Many have also left because they recognize that this case will not be solved by some of the guessing going on. They, like me and some of the others, are waiting for that break that we hope comes in this case.

The few of us that have stayed for years keep waiting for the break that will explain this case. What we don't do is make stuff up to help make us feel as though we have "solved" the case.

Bill

rozShoem wrote:

Question. Does anyone know why some thought Maura may have been headed to Bartlett? I'd read some material yesterday in which this is mentioned... a Bartlett distination. Have since ran across this again...the belief Maura may have been headed to Bartlett. I know that because of a printout, many believed she may have been headed for the Stowe/Burlington area. Does anyone else recall Bartlett destination theory?

In the ID show her father said she was headed to Bartlett. I´m not saying he knew for a fact Bartlett was her destination, but he expressed himself as if he knew. Might just have been his personal belief. You can watch the episode at youtube and see what you think.

Stephen wrote:

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Jesus loves you, even if your statements are pointless.

You want a point? How about this:

Theoretically, Maura was abducted and murdered. Could you, as a good Christian, forgive the murderer of his sins? Would you ask God, through intercessory prayer, to forgive (him?) I can and have. Those closest to the alleged victim would find it hardest. Others without faith or blinded by contempt would rather wish for the alleged murderer's death.

WTH-the-original wrote:

Most of the people who have stayed here, myself included, do the same thing you just did in post 2420. Try to keep the record straight. Anyone that wants to say anything can certainly do so, but expect that if the speculation has been heard 10 times before, over these last almost seven years, many of us have little patience for it. If the people writing had done even the smallest amount of research on the subject they would find that their "theory" has likely been hashed to death more than once before. And with most subjects like this were so little in actually known about her activity right after the crash, it suffers from "feature creep". In the past some people have repeated the same things over and over again with no evidence hoping to make that the de facto "truth".
So bottom line. Anyone can and has come to the site and proposed in some cases the most absurd theories imaginable. Those people didn't typically last long because when the questions were asked, they simply couldn't answer and the theory fell apart. Many have also left because they recognize that this case will not be solved by some of the guessing going on. They, like me and some of the others, are waiting for that break that we hope comes in this case.
The few of us that have stayed for years keep waiting for the break that will explain this case. What we don't do is make stuff up to help make us feel as though we have "solved" the case.
Bill

In the end everyone's idea of keeping the record straight is biased, biased to the point where they have to participate in detracting from the finger pointing at the very least. Everybody has their own ideas of who is innocent and guilty and why. Agendas sometimes come off as "keeping the record straight", but they are still not entirely objective. For instance, the attitude that its ok to point the finger at someone as long as it isn't a particular someone. You see what I mean.

I do know one thing, there is a particular discussion that comes about on occasion that shuts down a forum every time.

Pointless Endeavor wrote:

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You want a point? How about this:
Theoretically, Maura was abducted and murdered. Could you, as a good Christian, forgive the murderer of his sins? Would you ask God, through intercessory prayer, to forgive (him?) I can and have. Those closest to the alleged victim would find it hardest. Others without faith or blinded by contempt would rather wish for the alleged murderer's death.

nowhere has it been determined, theoretically or definitively, that she was abducted and murdered. period.

rozShoem wrote:

Question. Does anyone know why some thought Maura may have been headed to Bartlett? I'd read some material yesterday in which this is mentioned... a Bartlett distination. Have since ran across this again...the belief Maura may have been headed to Bartlett. I know that because of a printout, many believed she may have been headed for the Stowe/Burlington area. Does anyone else recall Bartlett destination theory?

no one knows where she was headed.
no one has stated, if they know, why she left amherst.
no one can state, with absolute certainty, that she traveled to the place where her car was found, although it is logical to presume she was there.

rozShoem wrote:

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Bill 05478,
I believe in an earlier post you mentioned having always kept in shape through various activities including hockey. Cannot recall if you mentioned other activities such as martial arts, weight lifting or anything else...think you may have mentioned weight training? Anyway, it seems many people who are active and very physically fit ususally recover more quickly from injuries. Undoubtedly this is what happened to you in terms of your back injury. Was there any previous,specific training(s) that you believe helped you recover from your back injury, helped you? Thanks.

off topic.

Bill 05478 wrote:

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Snowy there are actually a lot of accidents on that road, because of the poor lighting, all the twists and turns, and the damn moose.

fyi, my grandfather was hit and killed by a car....i still have the remnants of his broken glasses and other personal items. with certainty, personal items would be scattered and not easily collected. MM was presumed to be carrying items with her in a backpack.
and who the hell would travel to NH, VT or ME in feb. without appropriate clothing? someone ought to consider that fact, plain and simple.

wowzer, I have truly appreciated your defensive stance of the 'honor' of our area. This is an apparent role you do very well. I am serious in that. I love where I have lived my whole life.

Newcomers come in and believe they can solve this swiftly. They tend to do this with innocense and bravado. It is good in the sense it could very well trigger an important clue in a long standing event. I have heard alot from locals of what our newest poster has presented and yet he has put up newer revelations.

I remember Mason bravado and information, he has not come back. Many go away once they have spun into the center.

We do not know what happened to Maura on that fateful night almost 7 years abo, but I feel compelled to listen closely. I can dismiss 'off the culf' remarks as frustration and welcome new input. I believe this case can be solved and wowzer, thank you for your posts.