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JWB
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I seriously don't think that because he joked about her doing dishes in his trailer prompted LE to search his trailer. there must have been something else that pointed them in that direction.
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Bumping for Maura wrote: <quoted text>
RozShoem,
Interesting idea, but I fear that LE likely never thought of checking such a thing, since they seem to have pretty much dismissed witness RO and her observation of the likely MA-plated red truck in Swiftwater. At least, that is my understanding of things. Bumping for Maura, If I recall accurately, he arrived at beginning of one sememester and she arrived at the beginning of the following semester. Would like to know if there was a red pickup truck registered at U of Mass for fall 2003 & sping 2004. He may have arrived spring of 2003 but do not believe this to be the case. He had nothing to do w/her disappearance, but bet he was baffled when he could not find her and she did not show up anywhere. He did not come forward for the same reason they told no one of their trip. Someone needs to check out the possibility of a red pickup registered for parking (student/staff/faculty) at U of Mass for fall 2003 & spring of 2004. Most people logically tell someone when they decide to take a trip...but if someone travels along in a second vehicle, maybe it seems less necessary to tell a third party about the plan. This may have been why she risked driving the Saturn which had seen its better days....someone had accompanied her on the trip but was in a second vehicle. Too coincidental that Maura and this fellow arrived on campus within approx. 4 months of each other and both had previously been at WP.
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Amy I was under the impression that the Aframe was a FM thing only. To my knowledge LE never looked into or searched the Aframe. You might be right about that, Lighthouse. I don't know for sure if LE followed up or not. I assumed that they would follow up and test the carpet samples that were supposedly given to them but I don't know for a fact that they did.
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You made jenkins point by saying "Lead". they didn't search the Mayottes house or the Westmans house. They searched the CW trailor and didn't just do it on a whim. I am not disagreeing with Jenkins that they were following up on a lead. My disagreement is with Jenkins' statement that "that the NHSP searched his trailer at all means they don't think she committed suicide or that she's lost in the woods. That means they think a crime most likely occurred and that the cw was potentially linked to it". What I'm saying is that it is LE's job to follow up on leads. We can't infer what LE believes happened to Maura based on the fact that they are doing their job following up on leads. If someone had called up LE and said "I saw Maura Murray hiding out in Amy's basement" and for whatever reason LE decides to follow up on on the lead, I would say they are doing that because it is their job to rule things out and not necessarily that they believe this is what happened to Maura.
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amy researches wrote: <quoted text>
I am not disagreeing with Jenkins that they were following up on a lead. My disagreement is with Jenkins' statement that "that the NHSP searched his trailer at all means they don't think she committed suicide or that she's lost in the woods. That means they think a crime most likely occurred and that the cw was potentially linked to it".
What I'm saying is that it is LE's job to follow up on leads. We can't infer what LE believes happened to Maura based on the fact that they are doing their job following up on leads.
If someone had called up LE and said "I saw Maura Murray hiding out in Amy's basement" and for whatever reason LE decides to follow up on on the lead, I would say they are doing that because it is their job to rule things out and not necessarily that they believe this is what happened to Maura. Thanks for clarifying Amy. I understand what you are saying however, I still wonder what was it that promted them to search his trailer. My belief is the ex spouse implicating him and not the joke that he placed about town about her doing dishes in his trailer.
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Shack wrote: <quoted text>How cruel and unkind you appear to be. Have you no social graces? Shame on you. Wow! Now that takes some nerve. You're the queen of cruelty and unkindness. And for those that want to jump on me for saying that , unless you were involved in the past forums and the beginning of Topix you have no idea how true my words are.
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I would only be guessing Jenkins, but I will say this. If someone was getting ready to put out a book and my name was brought into it
in a false way, I would certainly want to speak with the author to clear things up.
Leone clearly took a stab at a name and may be right or maybe wrong. I guess it depends on the source he had to tie the two names together. I wonder if posters knew that when they joined that site there were people in the background working on finding out their IP addresses and possible identity.
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You know I laugh at that one also. Of course, I know that I shouldn't tell you this but I am sitting on huge freaking pile of money while I'm laughing. My wife and I are hoping to retire in a few years by age 57 if things go OK.
God I love the knack. One of my sons has inherited it also, he may actually be better at it than me. They had him work here as summer intern and now that school has restarted they have already hired him to work where I am part time. Probably be full time when he graduates. I couldn't be prouder. And I should point out that the social ineptness is largely fallacy, but its belief helps others to deal with the fact they often feel somewhat inferior, kind of out of the technology loop, so to speak. Whether they are or not isn't germane, they appear to often feel that they are and the fantasy that we are somehow inept in other ways makes them feel better about themselves. I've seen it before.
Bill Hey bill I hope you know that comment was made all in good fun, I thought it was funny and I figured u would too, I really wasn't trying to insult you. Obviously not all engineers are socially inept and i bet you are laughing you way to the bank. Obviously that stereotype, like most stereotypes, arent necessarily true; but they're usually funny. And while engineering does have a higher percentage of people that aren't exactly "people persons"; they're obviously all not socially inept. Lighten up buddy. I'm glad to hear your son has the knack too, in reality engineering is a really cool profession; he'll be stacked with dough and it seems like a really interesting job, don't get much better than that.
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JWB
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Wowzer the real one wrote: <quoted text>
I wonder if posters knew that when they joined that site there were people in the background working on finding out their IP addresses and possible identity. I am sure many posters were not aware years ago that the possibility existed and felt as long as they were anonymous that they were safe. And they are pretty safe unless LE gets access from say Topix or websluthes etc.The files from, Webslueths were requested in this case. I am sure LE was interested in a certain poster or two and didn't look into everyone. The way I look at it is this. I don't have anything to hide so if LE wants to take a look then be my guest.
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Jenkins wrote: Wow wowzer, you clearly knew that the trailer was searched when you accused me of making it up huh?
What the hell was that?
Do you often accuse people of making things up when you obviously know for a fact that they didnt?
That's pretty bad, how about a little integrity here..maybe just a little at least?
Are you guys gonna ever stop accusing me of making shit up? It's completely ridiculous, you guys have never ever once caught me making something up and you never ever will..wanna know why?? Because I never have!! I suspect your not ginna stop, it's clearly one Of your tactics. I also suspect that you guys have always known I didnnt make something up when u accused me of it.
You may disagree w some conclusions that I draw, that's fine, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But to accuse me of making shit up is just plain wrong on so many levels, particularly when you clearly know that i didn't..again, integrity.
Whether it was searched on the side of the road or at its destination really doesn't matter, the point is that it was searched.
They must have had some sort of reason for doing so, some sort of compelling reason to make them take that action.
I wonder if it's because he made up that sighting or if they had something more than that. Either way, they must consider him a poi or a suspect because there is no way they're gonna waste their time searching the trailer of someone who they don't think had anything to do with it.
When his trailer was parked on his property it was legally considered a home, homes require a much higher level of probable cause then a vehicle does, they clearly waited until the trailer was moved to take advantage of that fact. They must have asked him to search it previously and were denied. I wonder If they ever put in a request for a warrant, judging from their actions I would think that they did but that's obviously opinion.
Also, just the fact that they searched his trailer at all shows that they don't really think she's a suicide or just lost in the woods. If they truly believed she was a suicide or lost in the woods they wouldn't be searching anyone's trailer. They would search the woods or just wait for a hunter to come across her body.
And nobody can say that they took that action just to make it look like they were investigating because it isn't a widely known fact that they searched it. As far as I know it hasn't been made known to the general public, it wasn't in any newspaper articles or on tv. I may be wrong about that but that info hasn't been in any articles I've ever read, I only read about it on renner. I thought they searched it en route to take advantage of the reduced need for probable cause.
They searched his trailer as an attempt to find potential evidence, plain and simple. His trailer could not possibly have evidence of a suicide or her being lost in the woods.
The fact that they searched the trailer is a direct indication that le believes she was most likely a victim of foul play
They don't search houses when they believe someone committed suicide or got lost in the woods. I admit that I haven't seen so much entertainment here for some time and your posts have certainly been entertaining to say the least. You're still making things up to suit your needs. I never said they didn't search his trailer, I said the SP didn't pull it over and search it on the side of road. Jenkins wrote:(Something I find extremely interesting is the fact that the sp pulled over his trailer when it was being towed away and searched it, in order to bypass the need for a search warrant. That's pretty crazy if you think about it, that means le thought the cw could have potentially had something to do with her dissapearance. There's obviously no other reason to do that.)
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JWB wrote: <quoted text>
I am sure many posters were not aware years ago that the possibility existed and felt as long as they were anonymous that they were safe. And they are pretty safe unless LE gets access from say Topix or websluthes etc.The files from, Webslueths were requested in this case. I am sure LE was interested in a certain poster or two and didn't look into everyone.
The way I look at it is this. I don't have anything to hide so if LE wants to take a look then be my guest. Agree but in this case it was other posters with permission from the site administrater/moderater that were working in the background finding out the addies. Pretty sneaky, huh?
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Jenkins
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amy researches wrote: <quoted text>
I am not disagreeing with Jenkins that they were following up on a lead. My disagreement is with Jenkins' statement that "that the NHSP searched his trailer at all means they don't think she committed suicide or that she's lost in the woods. That means they think a crime most likely occurred and that the cw was potentially linked to it".
What I'm saying is that it is LE's job to follow up on leads. We can't infer what LE believes happened to Maura based on the fact that they are doing their job following up on leads.
If someone had called up LE and said "I saw Maura Murray hiding out in Amy's basement" and for whatever reason LE decides to follow up on on the lead, I would say they are doing that because it is their job to rule things out and not necessarily that they believe this is what happened to Maura. You made a really good point here Amy, and maybe my wording was a little too extreme, like they think foul play is the only option or something, that was not my intention. Really my point is that LE clearly believe that foul play is a distinct possibility and are investigating it as such. If they truly believed that she committed suicide or got lost in the woods they wouldn't be searching people's trailers. They need something more to go on than just he lived close by so let go check his house just in case. There has to be something more than that. They didn't search the mayotte's house or the wman's, because clearly they had nothing to do with it. I'm not 100% sure but I don't believe the sbd's house was ever searched by LE. Iirc they asked to search his house but were denied permission. I may be wrong but I don't believe they even searched it after or while it was being sold. I remember back when It was on the market people on the forums talking about how it should be searched. But again, I think they had very reasonable reasons to be confident the sbd had nothing to do with her dissapearance. While it doesn't necessarily mean they ruled out the suicide or lost in the woods theory, the fact that they searched his trailer means that they consider foul play to be a very real possibility and thought that the cw could have been connected to it. LE is not going to go out and search people's trailers on a whim. They search people's homes for evidence of a crime plain and simple. Something else is the fact that they must have been paying attention to the cw in order to know that his trailer was being moved and where it was being moved to. That's gotta tell you something too
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JWB
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Wowzer the real one wrote: <quoted text>
Agree but in this case it was other posters with permission from the site administrater/moderater that were working in the background finding out the addies. Pretty sneaky, huh? I don't know if I would say sneaky.Helena is obviously a family member trying to find Maura. It is easy to do on the internet if you have someones IP address. There are sites that you can log into and it will show you a general location ,but not exactly who it is. I believe LE only has access to that through the service provider. What I would say is that I don't understand why she was more interested in who Observer was that the person who crafted the letter.
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Way back on the original forums, first MM and then MMM I always assumed that they DID check out who the posters were, their IP addresses and even their real identity if at all possible. If I ran a website dedicated to finding my missing family member your damn sure I would want to know who was posting on it. In this day and age it's only a matter of time until a perp is going to get caught and it's found out that he was posting on websites about his crime. Maybe trying to mislead the public into thinking something else happened to the person or maybe trying to convince everyone that a crime didn't take place at all. I'm not saying its happening in this case but For all we know it could be. I seriously seriously doubt it but Who knows, maybe one of these posters is actually Maura's killer trying to derail the conversation; or maybe even Maura herself tryin to do the same? It's obviously not impossible, and if I was the family I would really want to know who some of these posters are, like myself. I would certainly want to know who "Jenkins" is for real. What I've always wondered is how interested LE is in knowing who some of these posters are; I really have no idea but I would think that they would want to know. I always figured they took the time to figure out who the posters on the original MM and MMM site were, but I'm really not sure. Obviously they're somewhat interested in online conversations, as evidenced by their interest in the websleuths forum. But it's really only a matter of time before a killer gets caught interacting on a website devoted to his crime, it is going to happen, if it hasn't already. To my knowledge it hasn't happened but it will, there's no question about that. Does anyone happen to know what websleuths thread they were interested in?
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Jenkins wrote: <quoted text>
the fact that they searched his trailer means that they consider foul play to be a very real possibility and thought that the cw could have been connected to it. May I ask, how do you know what LE thinks and the reasons for what they do? You constantly say the same things, "LE would have done this, or they woudn't do this...." I have asked it before and I will ask it again, what basis do you have to make assumptions based on what Law Enforcement does or doesn't do? Here is where your position is so ridiculous. You constantly and continually try to take actions and inactions of everyone involved in this case and from those actions and inactions, you firmly and absolutely infer that because of this or that, that the Cops believe she must have have been kidnapped, killed, or generally come into foul play. So, let me help you please. Law Enforcement DOES NOT KNOW what happened to Maura!!!! They have theories, ideas, possibilities, and impossibilities. Cops do what they are tasked to do, they pursue every and all reasonable leads until such time as the Prosecutor or a jury says stop pursuing leads. That is it, thats all there is. If you want to stop looking like a compelte idiot, I suggest you stop trying to use your ZERO experience as a cop to formulate theories about what cops have done. I know you will not take my advice, which again only demonstrates your ignorance and lack of intelligence. Call me mean if you like, all I am doing is calling a spade a spade. Act like an idiot and you will be labeled an idiot. That's life kid. You have no experience, you have never even seen a criminal case and you don't know how and why Detectives do what they do.
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JWB
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I don't think Helena ever thought that the information would go public. Leone for some reason developed a report and sent it to Scarinza.Maybe Helena asked him to write up his findings etc.. A reader is said to have sent the information (report) to Renner and that is the only way that the so called cat was out of the bag.
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Jenkins
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JWB wrote: <quoted text>
I don't know if I would say sneaky.Helena is obviously a family member trying to find Maura. It is easy to do on the internet if you have someones IP address. There are sites that you can log into and it will show you a general location ,but not exactly who it is. I believe LE only has access to that through the service provider.
What I would say is that I don't understand why she was more interested in who Observer was that the person who crafted the letter. I also find it highly interesting that they tried to find out who "observer" was rather than the person who wrote the first post. This is obviously 100% opinion but could it possibly mean that there actually is truth in that first post and it is known within the family? My line of thinking on that would be that she was trying to find out which family member or friend it was who was "confirming" the story, ratting them out so to speak. Or maybe she already knew who the first poster was so she didn't need that info.
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Jenkins wrote: Something else is the fact that they must have been paying attention to the cw in order to know that his trailer was being moved and where it was being moved to. That's gotta tell you something too Do you think moving something that large might require a permit or giving LE a heads up to move something so big? Maybe LE was needed to direct traffic? Maybe when they found out the day it was being moved they decided to have it searched when it reached there location. To suggest that they were "paying attention" to the CW is not a fact just a Jenkumption.
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Wowzer the real one wrote: <quoted text>
I admit that I haven't seen so much entertainment here for some time and your posts have certainly been entertaining to say the least.
You're still making things up to suit your needs. I never said they didn't search his trailer, I said the SP didn't pull it over and search it on the side of road.
Jenkins wrote:(Something I find extremely interesting is the fact that the sp pulled over his trailer when it was being towed away and searched it, in order to bypass the need for a search warrant. That's pretty crazy if you think about it, that means le thought the cw could have potentially had something to do with her dissapearance. There's obviously no other reason to do that.) Ok wowzer, I guess I didn't understand what you were saying; I thought you were saying that I was making up the fact that the trailer was searched at all. So then when I read you saying something about you previously thinking the trailer was searched at its destination I was like wtf? I figured the location where it was searched was incidental, the point was that it was searched. Sorry, I totally misunderstood what you were saying. Maybe I'm a little jumpy lol about that because I'm tired of people accusing me of making shit up when after all this time nobody has ever shown one thing that I've made up, it's not gonna happen, no way, it's literally impossible. But sorry bout that, not tryin to start shit here
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JWB wrote: <quoted text>
I don't know if I would say sneaky.Helena is obviously a family member trying to find Maura. It is easy to do on the internet if you have someones IP address. There are sites that you can log into and it will show you a general location ,but not exactly who it is. I believe LE only has access to that through the service provider.
What I would say is that I don't understand why she was more interested in who Observer was that the person who crafted the letter. It wasn't Helena's site unless they were tracking there also.
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