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Jenkins wrote:

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Ok wowzer, I guess I didn't understand what you were saying; I thought you were saying that I was making up the fact that the trailer was searched at all. So then when I read you saying something about you previously thinking the trailer was searched at its destination I was like wtf? I figured the location where it was searched was incidental, the point was that it was searched.
Sorry, I totally misunderstood what you were saying. Maybe I'm a little jumpy lol about that because I'm tired of people accusing me of making shit up when after all this time nobody has ever shown one thing that I've made up, it's not gonna happen, no way, it's literally impossible.
But sorry bout that, not tryin to start shit here

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Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Jenking wrote:***when after all this time nobody has ever shown one thing that I've made up, it's not gonna happen, no way, it's literally impossible.***
Umm, I think I just did.
Do you not consider the story you told about the SP pulling the trailer over and searching it on the road a made up story??
No problem Jenkins but when I see something that I know isn't true I feel I should speak up as there's already been enough BS here through the years to fertilize every garden in the US and beyond.
BS isn't helpful to anyone. It just muddies the water even further than what it already is.

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aftermath wrote:

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Bumping for Maura,
If I recall accurately, he arrived at beginning of one sememester and she arrived at the beginning of the following semester. Would like to know if there was a red pickup truck registered at U of Mass for fall 2003 & sping 2004. He may have arrived spring of 2003 but do not believe this to be the case. He had nothing to do w/her disappearance, but bet he was baffled when he could not find her and she did not show up anywhere. He did not come forward for the same reason they told no one of their trip. Someone needs to check out the possibility of a red pickup registered for parking (student/staff/faculty) at U of Mass for fall 2003 & spring of 2004. Most people logically tell someone when they decide to take a trip...but if someone travels along in a second vehicle, maybe it seems less necessary to tell a third party about the plan. This may have been why she risked driving the Saturn which had seen its better days....someone had accompanied her on the trip but was in a second vehicle. Too coincidental that Maura and this fellow arrived on campus within approx. 4 months of each other and both had previously been at WP.

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Jenkins wrote:

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Hey bill I hope you know that comment was made all in good fun, I thought it was funny and I figured u would too, I really wasn't trying to insult you. Obviously not all engineers are socially inept and i bet you are laughing you way to the bank. Obviously that stereotype, like most stereotypes, arent necessarily true; but they're usually funny. And while engineering does have a higher percentage of people that aren't exactly "people persons"; they're obviously all not socially inept. Lighten up buddy.
I'm glad to hear your son has the knack too, in reality engineering is a really cool profession; he'll be stacked with dough and it seems like a really interesting job, don't get much better than that.

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Jenkins wrote:

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Ok wowzer, I guess I didn't understand what you were saying; I thought you were saying that I was making up the fact that the trailer was searched at all. So then when I read you saying something about you previously thinking the trailer was searched at its destination I was like wtf? I figured the location where it was searched was incidental, the point was that it was searched.
Sorry, I totally misunderstood what you were saying. Maybe I'm a little jumpy lol about that because I'm tired of people accusing me of making shit up when after all this time nobody has ever shown one thing that I've made up, it's not gonna happen, no way, it's literally impossible.
But sorry bout that, not tryin to start shit here

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amy researches wrote:

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Hi Wowzer. To be fair, Jenkins did not make this up about the trailer being pulled over and searched. I read this a while ago also on Renner's blog. His source was an interview with a couple who lived across from RF on BHR (I won't post their names on t he forum, but they are included in his interview). So if this information is wrong, then it could be that Renner's source was mistaken. But Jenkins didn't make this up. I believed it also when I read it.
http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2011/08/forge...

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It wasn't Helena's site unless they were tracking there also.

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Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Sorry bout that too Jenkins. I guess I didn't understand that you're "facts" were taken from Renner's blog till Amy posted the link.
I still don't believe it though and this is why. If you're familiar with the route from BHR to Lyme where the trailer was taken you would know that the roads are not wide enough to pull a 10 or 12 foot wide by 50 or 60 foot long trailer over. There's permits needed for each town driven through and a direct safe route when you are pulling a mobile home. I can only think of a couple of places where it might have been able to pull over but why take that chance when you can just wait till it's parked safely at it's destination and take your time searching it.
I also think that a search warrant would still be needed if the trailer hadn't been signed over to the new owner yet.
If it was signed over and the new owner gave permission for the search then why the need to pull it over and not wait till it was safely parked?

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Jenkins wrote:

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I also find it highly interesting that they tried to find out who "observer" was rather than the person who wrote the first post.
This is obviously 100% opinion but could it possibly mean that there actually is truth in that first post and it is known within the family? My line of thinking on that would be that she was trying to find out which family member or friend it was who was "confirming" the story, ratting them out so to speak.
Or maybe she already knew who the first poster was so she didn't need that info.

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JWB wrote:

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According to renners Blog it was the forum Administered by Helena Dwyer. What forum are you referring to ?
http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/search...

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Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Jenking wrote:***when after all this time nobody has ever shown one thing that I've made up, it's not gonna happen, no way, it's literally impossible.***
Umm, I think I just did.
Do you not consider the story you told about the SP pulling the trailer over and searching it on the road a made up story??
No problem Jenkins but when I see something that I know isn't true I feel I should speak up as there's already been enough BS here through the years to fertilize every garden in the US and beyond.
BS isn't helpful to anyone. It just muddies the water even further than what it already is.

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Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Sorry bout that too Jenkins. I guess I didn't understand that you're "facts" were taken from Renner's blog till Amy posted the link.
I still don't believe it though and this is why. If you're familiar with the route from BHR to Lyme where the trailer was taken you would know that the roads are not wide enough to pull a 10 or 12 foot wide by 50 or 60 foot long trailer over. There's permits needed for each town driven through and a direct safe route when you are pulling a mobile home. I can only think of a couple of places where it might have been able to pull over but why take that chance when you can just wait till it's parked safely at it's destination and take your time searching it.
I also think that a search warrant would still be needed if the trailer hadn't been signed over to the new owner yet.
If it was signed over and the new owner gave permission for the search then why the need to pull it over and not wait till it was safely parked?

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JWB wrote:

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Wowzer sorry but- I read the article again and I think I misread it. Renner may not have been alluding to Helenas Forum. Do you know what Forum the post came from? was it advocates forum?
I never would have picked that up unless you hadn't brought that up Wowzer.

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Jenkins wrote:

Hey citigirl- do you have any thoughts on that post that jwb reposted from renner's blog?
What do u think, total bullshit?
And what do you think about the post after it where some computer expert(leone) supposedly tracked the IP of the user "observer", who said the story is true and well known to the family, and said that "observer" is you.
Do you deny being "observer" and making that post? Was it someone else who just coincidently was posting from your location Or somewhere close by? To be clear I'm not accusing you of being "observer"; I am truly asking you. If you don't want to answer that it's your perogative.
Personally I truly hope that the original post is true, except for the part about vasi. IMO that would be so cool if Maura actually ran away and was able to start a new life. According to reports She had expressed a desire to do that in the past and if that's what she wanted to do I really hope that is what she was able to do.
According to people that knew her she never expressed any suicidal thoughts, in general she seemed like a really happy person who was fun to be around. Yea she had her problems, just like everyone, but it seems like depression just wasn't one of them. It does not sound like she was a depressed person who was suicidal at all. That just does not jive with what people that knew her said about her. To my knowledge There isn't one person who's ever said she was depressed. I've not read one person who hasn't described her as being happy and smiling all the time. Saying she suddenly became suicidal just doesn't make any sense when you consider what people who knew her say about her. You would think that there would be at least one person saying that she was depressed sometimes, but there isn't. If anything it sounds like she would try to go start a new life before she would commit suicide.
Sadly it looks like she was abducted and killed. Looking at this truly objectively that just seems like the most likely thing, unfortunately.
I truly hope that she went off and started a new life, however unlikely that is.

gpj wrote:

it was searched when it arrived at its new owners in lyme nh. the owner gave the permission to do so. i know the owner. it was gone through with a vacuum cleaner top to bottom .

Jenkins wrote:

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I might be wrong but didn't renner say that it came from a geocities forum on Maura, which I've never seen. I may be wrong about this but I don't believe that post was in one of the original MM or MMM boards; I don't remember ever seeing it and I really don't believe that back then on those forums they would allow a post like that to be up for very long at all.

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gpj wrote:

it was searched when it arrived at its new owners in lyme nh. the owner gave the permission to do so. i know the owner. it was gone through with a vacuum cleaner top to bottom .