Maura Murray

Snowy wrote:

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i hadn't missed 'Barbie', but didn't comment earlier. i was surprised.

I, too, was surprised! LOL

WTH-the-original wrote:

Most of the people who have stayed here, myself included, do the same thing you just did in post 2420. Try to keep the record straight. Anyone that wants to say anything can certainly do so, but expect that if the speculation has been heard 10 times before, over these last almost seven years, many of us have little patience for it. If the people writing had done even the smallest amount of research on the subject they would find that their "theory" has likely been hashed to death more than once before. And with most subjects like this were so little in actually known about her activity right after the crash, it suffers from "feature creep". In the past some people have repeated the same things over and over again with no evidence hoping to make that the de facto "truth".
So bottom line. Anyone can and has come to the site and proposed in some cases the most absurd theories imaginable. Those people didn't typically last long because when the questions were asked, they simply couldn't answer and the theory fell apart. Many have also left because they recognize that this case will not be solved by some of the guessing going on. They, like me and some of the others, are waiting for that break that we hope comes in this case.
The few of us that have stayed for years keep waiting for the break that will explain this case. What we don't do is make stuff up to help make us feel as though we have "solved" the case.
Bill

Bill, your moniker has changed but it sounds like you. Is it?

Snowy wrote:

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fyi, my grandfather was hit and killed by a car....i still have the remnants of his broken glasses and other personal items. with certainty, personal items would be scattered and not easily collected. MM was presumed to be carrying items with her in a backpack.
and who the hell would travel to NH, VT or ME in feb. without appropriate clothing? someone ought to consider that fact, plain and simple.

I believe that she was wearing a coat and jeans because thought she would be inside a car for the entire trip....not winding up off the highway and having to walk. You make a very good point however. The fact that she was a hiker, outdoors person and failed to dress appropriately for cold winter weather on Feb 9, might indicate there was not much planning for the trip north. It may have been an impromptu decision. Possibly the decision was not Maura's.

Snowy wrote:

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off topic.

Snowy,
Closely analyze your response and reconsider.... Thanks.

Snowy wrote:

<quoted text> nowhere has it been determined, theoretically or definitively, that she was abducted and murdered. period.

Snowy, please explain why the State of New Hampshire has Maura Murray listed on their list of cold case victims......I must be missing something you're seeing -- or not seeing. I truly would like to hear why you think she is on their list. TIA!

Two Thousand Eleven wrote:

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It's been discussed before. Nobody really knows. It would make sense, since apparently she was heading in that direction. If I remember she often visited that area with her father, so maybe she was returning there for some reason or another. But it seems that even the direction she was traveling was not known for certain, or even if she was in the car at all. The so-called basic facts indicate that she was heading east away from woodsville, doesn't mean someone there took her, doesn't mean that it didn't happen either. I think most of the so-called theories on this forum are just detractions, and when people point the finger its more about who they are pointing away from rather than who they are actually pointing towards. There are several reasons why a forum like this is valuable, but its really not for what is being said so much as who it is that's saying it.

I had read that Maura had inquired about a condo and was told nothing was available and that the policy is to book 3(?) months in advance. Maura and her family had vacationed at the Seasons several for several years according to various sources. Okay....get braced.....especially lovers of "facts." I found it odd that someone from the resort did not phone the authorities when they began hearing news reports and seeing posters, pictures of Maura all over the place...... Only when Mrs. R. phoned them, 8 months later was the info about Maura inquiring about a condo on Feb 9, discovered. Maura Murray is a name that one would be able to remember....especially within a period of a week....and the surname especially...given the family had vacationed there several years in the past. It would have seemed reasonable that had Maura phoned, she may have even mentioned that she and her family had stayed there for several years/vacations in the past.... Now...1, 2, 3....come on gang....jump on this!
PS If MM had been driving to Bartlett it would be a bit strange as nothing was available at the Seasons...

Hope_Eternal wrote:

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Snowy, you talk about facts. Do you know for a fact that this didn't happen? If not, take it for what it is - a rumor that may or may not be true.
If nobody passes along rumors to police or family, nothing ever gets said and nothing happens. There is nowhere to even start looking and no movement towards resolution.
If Maura was taken and harmed, it is unlikely the person who did it brought along an audience, therefore NOBODY has anything but rumors. But he/she may have said something to somebody when he/she had too much to drink. That starts the rumor.

Hope_Eternal,
Rumor, fact...whatever....the purpose for many on this forum is to stop any and all communication regarding MM's disappearance. Why? Only they know. In my opinion, much about this whole disappearance has been covered up from the beginning and as you can see, this effort continues. Possibly, more than one person was responsible for Maura's disappearance. My personal opinion is thatpossibly many have a good idea who is responsible for these disappearances and known murders and are protecting him.

Snowy wrote:

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i can't even begin to reply to the absurdity of this post. you may count yourself as lucky today.

Please do not reply. I do not recall asking that you reply. I find your critiques inadequate for the most part.

Anne wrote:

wowzer, I have truly appreciated your defensive stance of the 'honor' of our area. This is an apparent role you do very well. I am serious in that. I love where I have lived my whole life.
Newcomers come in and believe they can solve this swiftly. They tend to do this with innocense and bravado. It is good in the sense it could very well trigger an important clue in a long standing event. I have heard alot from locals of what our newest poster has presented and yet he has put up newer revelations.
I remember Mason bravado and information, he has not come back. Many go away once they have spun into the center.
We do not know what happened to Maura on that fateful night almost 7 years abo, but I feel compelled to listen closely. I can dismiss 'off the culf' remarks as frustration and welcome new input. I believe this case can be solved and wowzer, thank you for your posts.

Whatever Anne. You keep watching and being silent and I'll keep shoveling the BS so "locals" privacy, lives and lives of their families won't be ruined by dragging their names into public forums, doing background checks on them and falsely accusing them or at least insinuating they might be guilty of MM disappearing.
I can also dismiss off the cuff remarks but I cannot and won't dismiss being called an inbred bitc* and that Woodsville consists of mostly inbreds when I have family and good friends there.
If you think that's OK then I guess we are walking down two very different paths. I'll stay on mine and not go off trail.

Snowy wrote:

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what do you want, girl? i was out planning a baby shower. otherwise, i'm working or walking the dogs. or here. i don't drink, but i ought to.
it's Sunday. where's our Jesus Boy?

Please be careful, Snowy. It sounds like one of the two new guys has you pegged as a woman of the cloth... Really. LOL

hannah_b wrote:

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In the ID show her father said she was headed to Bartlett. I´m not saying he knew for a fact Bartlett was her destination, but he expressed himself as if he knew. Might just have been his personal belief. You can watch the episode at youtube and see what you think.

Thanks.

rozShoem wrote:

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I had read that Maura had inquired about a condo and was told nothing was available and that the policy is to book 3(?) months in advance. Maura and her family had vacationed at the Seasons several for several years according to various sources. Okay....get braced.....especially lovers of "facts." I found it odd that someone from the resort did not phone the authorities when they began hearing news reports and seeing posters, pictures of Maura all over the place...... Only when Mrs. R. phoned them, 8 months later was the info about Maura inquiring about a condo on Feb 9, discovered. Maura Murray is a name that one would be able to remember....especially within a period of a week....and the surname especially...given the family had vacationed there several years in the past. It would have seemed reasonable that had Maura phoned, she may have even mentioned that she and her family had stayed there for several years/vacations in the past.... Now...1, 2, 3....come on gang....jump on this!
PS If MM had been driving to Bartlett it would be a bit strange as nothing was available at the Seasons...

Apparently the people that rent the condo in Bartlett did not remember Maura calling them. It's possible that she never gave her name. Even if the condo renters had her name and made the connection, they may not have realized the importance of that call and thought it a strange coincidence. Who knows if she was going to Bartlett, do we know that she even made that phone call, is there a recording of her voice to prove it. We don't have proof that she was even making those calls from her phone, could have been someone else making those calls from her phone. We don't know if she ever left Amherst. If she were going to Bartlett maybe she had another place to stay rather than the Season's.

rozShoem wrote:

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My personal opinion is thatpossibly many have a good idea who is responsible for these disappearances and known murders and are protecting him.

Yep, it seems someone is being protected, but are these murders all necessarily related? We really don't know if she was murdered

Lady Gray wrote:

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Snowy, please explain why the State of New Hampshire has Maura Murray listed on their list of cold case victims......I must be missing something you're seeing -- or not seeing. I truly would like to hear why you think she is on their list. TIA!

the language identifies her as a missing person:

http://doj.nh.gov/coldcaseunit/listing/maura-...

however, in the purpose statement, mention is of "...missing person cases in which foul play is suspected in the person's disappearance." abduction and homicide is not specified.

"The Cold Case Unit was organized in the Fall of 2009 to combine the experience of the Attorney General's Office, the Major Crime Unit, and a city detective. The Unit is staffed with a prosecutor and three detectives who will focus on reviewing unsolved homicides, unresolved suspicious deaths, and missing person cases in which foul play is suspected in the person's disappearance."

correction:

abduction and homicide is not specified in MM's case, although they may be features of other cold cases, at least to my understanding.

http://doj.nh.gov/coldcaseunit/faq/index.htm

and although this statement in FAQs is to your point with the mention of "...the victim is missing and suspected to be murdered)."

Maura is one of the few listed as "missing". note the word "suspected". it is not definitive.

What Is The Definition Of A Cold Case In New Hampshire?
The following are the elements of a cold homicide case in New Hampshire:

1. The case involves a homicide (or suspected homicide in which the cause of death is undetermined but is suspected to be homicide or the victim is missing and suspected to be murdered).

Anne wrote:

<quoted text>Bill, your moniker has changed but it sounds like you. Is it?

I have no idea when or who changed my moniker. I didn't change it and have no idea how it changed other than some moderator did it. It is me, WTF-the-original.

Bill

Maura spoke with her dad Sunday night and went right online afterwards for information as indicated by her computer activity. Did she print those directions out on her own printer? Please tell me they know the answer is yes, because it might matter.(BTK was busted due to making a cd on his church PC, sending it and being identified by the simple fact that these things are traceable) It's implied she was in her room and safe at that point by the simple fact that her laptop would show her location. It showed how she searched that night for at least this much; places of interest in VT and NH.

Doesn't mean though that she was trying to make reservations. In all the frazzled displays of emotion that week, she may have forgotten where x and such were staying-or- needed the telephone numbers to help locate where someone would be. Idea: She calls Linda Salamone's condo and asks for a Mr. Somebody's room. She is connected. And if it doesn't work that way, she just verifies that so and so are in condo A or B. She already knows someone will be staying there and has a spur of the moment desire to go, once connected.(she looked up the number the night before, decided to pack it up during the night fearing she may never return. Almost gets to tell Billy, but the timing was bad, only messages. Because there were no messages on her cellphone, presumably, Billy thinks that's why she made that last known call to her room. Her own room, to the land line in that room, from her cellphone.....to see if he tried calling her there at that number and possibly left her a message). Was no message a deciding factor in going ahead with whatever this was?

Did the family ever say they went to that condo in Bartlett with a missing person flyer? Did it hang on the walls of said condo? If so, was it fresh on Linda's mind that a younger sounding female had called one night recently asking about whatever and not giving a name by the end of the brief call? Would something like this seem somewhat 'expected' to stand out in the first place?

And who thought Maura might be heading to Ohio because of family troubles? Sharon doubted it but left doors open, lights on just in case.

I keep thinking of how Maura had just gotten the job confirmation to be working at a hospital in OK where Billy was stationed, and would be working there in about 4 months. Did Maura decide she had to stop everything and make her way to Sharons because she was mad at her family? Maybe tired of making the grade.....

Well, didn't mean to ramble but why did they think that Maura might be distraught and heading to Sharons house? Why did they have to obtain records of proof for kathleen to remember talking to her missing sister that previous Thursday night? And were they bluffing to see if the sisters spoke again closer to midnight?

True, no one knows if Maura left Amherst on her own, where she was headed, and if she was derailed. But the FBI went to UMASS. I'd like to think they went to the liquor store to ask the cashiers, the employees, what there take was on it. Mauras mood, anything stand out? Anyone around waiting outside? In her car waiting? In a different car perhaps? That it didn't quite look like the "girl" that they'd seen on occasion.....same for the ATM

oops....did it ever occur to L Salamone that there was a younger female caller who didn't leave her name, but that called her condo on Feb 9th around 1:00 pm. That's what it should have said.

To Just Me, the Sala...nes lived(s)in the greater Boston area, Middlesex County. They, according to the ID program did not know or hear of Maura Murray's plight of that February night of
the 9th, 2004. I live in Middlesex County also, and did not hear of it until the Spring of 2005.

On ID Linda Sala...nes stated no memory of her call.

Unless one lived up there and heard it on the radio/tv WCAX news,the only newspaper covering it at those first few years was the Caledonian newspaper.