Maura Murray

By the way, i have not spoken with her for at least 21/2 years.

just me wrote:

<quoted text>I almost didn't see this wowzer. You may know she helped obtain the key to the A frame. She was there at that search too. Helena tried to help soften the very rough sounding comments because this person mattered alot to her and several others in the search for answers. Heck, even Mcsmom has been "duped" on some things as Bill puts it. But it is what it is.

oops, clarifaction time.
Both people were misled or "duped" by the one who is now deceased.
The person at the seach was not at the search, no. But she was part of the "gang" and the lodge or main place while the house was searched. It was really an organized effort but does not seem to have mattered any.

amy researches wrote:

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I don't mean to be rude, but why does it matter whether he is dead or alive or where he might be living? If my name became falsely associated with a missing person's murder, and there were a bunch of nutball sleuths talking about me on the internet, then I might not want my whereabouts to be too well-known either.
Someone once sent me a copy of an obituary of Claude's brother. I don't know if it was the same brother who handed over the knife, but he passed in 2007 in NH. I don't know if CM is dead or alive.

It shouldn't matter Amy.Com mon sense tells me that if it was MM's blood then the house would have been torn apart and police all over it. I believe the people that lived there would have been arrested. It didn't happen so what does that say?
Bringing up peoples real names and even addresses has been going on since the very first MM forum.
To my knowledge the aframe was never searched by LE. I would think if anything was found that pertained to a crime then it would have been roped off with police tape.
For all we know whoever lived there might have had a female dog that was in heat and dropped blood on the floor of closet. There's only been hearsay about the knife, a-frame and the people that lived in the a-frame.
Oh and it was mentioned to whiston before that it was wrong to use real names but yet he continues.

just me wrote:

<quoted text>I almost didn't see this wowzer. You may know she helped obtain the key to the A frame. She was there at that search too. Helena tried to help soften the very rough sounding comments because this person mattered alot to her and several others in the search for answers. Heck, even Mcsmom has been "duped" on some things as Bill puts it. But it is what it is.
Again, i cannot say why these comments were made, but I always thought they were much broader or random then directed at your good neighbors or yourself. Not speaking about the good people, but anyone around there rumored to be is what I took it as.
But it's not for me to say. I just don't know what to think because I like this person very much for what I know of her.

**Again, i cannot say why these comments were made, but I always thought they were much broader or random then directed at your good neighbors or yourself.**

Maybe I've got you confused with someone else. Do you also go by "Paris". Weren't you a part of the old forum? Seems that I remember someone called Paris or just me paris saying how awful they felt about all the nasty things that were said about the people in the area of the accident. Was that you or someone else??
You can defend her bashing till the cows come home but there are others here that saw what she wrote and knew who she was talking about. You can't change facts and I've got nearly every disgusting thing that was said tucked away.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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**Again, i cannot say why these comments were made, but I always thought they were much broader or random then directed at your good neighbors or yourself.**
Maybe I've got you confused with someone else. Do you also go by "Paris". Weren't you a part of the old forum? Seems that I remember someone called Paris or just me paris saying how awful they felt about all the nasty things that were said about the people in the area of the accident. Was that you or someone else??
You can defend her bashing till the cows come home but there are others here that saw what she wrote and knew who she was talking about. You can't change facts and I've got nearly every disgusting thing that was said tucked away.

Yes, I called myself Paris at first and for a couple of years. I did say it was awful and I stand by that. I was neither attacking nor defending this person. Just expressing how sadi felt for all the anguish this has caused to NH residents and suspects pulled out of a hat at times.
I remember all of it, I really do and I know just what you're referring to. There are a couple hoodlums scattered around in every place though and i felt she was referring to that group. All I can say is I didn't start out to defend as it seems some are thinking.
It's all about the menstral blood. Said poster was aghast that Maura could have been held against her will there and bleeding. She was told it was menstral blood. I went on to suppose that Weeper came on and let us think whatever we think by even making mention of the blood being from the menses. Maybe he knows better, felt he had to say something. OR, maybe it was nothing. Heck if I know but I was piping in like I do in a hurry. That doesn't work out well when you have trouble like I do summing up statements that I would love to make, but can't seem to do. Oh well.

That's why I Love Beagle! He is smart and has the words, eliquent, beautiful grammer, spelling, all that. And some day I'm going back to school to learn what was taken away from me as a child bride.
I learned from the school of hard knocks.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Really??? I highly doubt words were misinterpreted. She was very clear with the meaning of her words.
And yes just me I do take things personal when someone is on an internet forum saying my neighborhood and area where I live is full of incest and rats in a nest that should be lysoled.I'd like to know how remarks like that (and there were many)can be misinterpreted.
What exactly did she do to help the family beside badmouth everyone in the area where the accident occured?

I just took a harder look at this Wowzer. All I can say is I'm sorry she did that. I forgot the incest thing. But either way, I'd still bet a nickle that she might have her regrets, but is unable or unwilling to leave herself open like that. I do and I don't know why.

see the x, nutt and clueless? That's what I get for speaking my heart.

so why would she come on and say she's sorry or mispoke, and try to explain better? Better yet, why share that she has since learned of the deception when most people want to shoot her down to begin with? For all those sweetie pies who like to judge, it's not good for ya.

just me wrote:

That's why I Love Beagle! He is smart and has the words, eliquent, beautiful grammer, spelling, all that. And some day I'm going back to school to learn what was taken away from me as a child bride.
I learned from the school of hard knocks.

Everybody here who has ever read the logical helpful posts made by this man might just agree with me here. And perhaps noted how poetic he really is. That he uses different names and such, and if that's him above (which I just now read), I have nothing to say about that. Just his skills, which he uses from time to time to HELP.
So fly away blackbird.

just me wrote:

That's why I Love Beagle! He is smart and has the words, eliquent, beautiful grammer, spelling, all that. And some day I'm going back to school to learn what was taken away from me as a child bride.
I learned from the school of hard knocks.

Keep the balls rolling, but don't pop a vein.

just me wrote:

<quoted text>I almost didn't see this wowzer. You may know she helped obtain the key to the A frame. She was there at that search too. Helena tried to help soften the very rough sounding comments because this person mattered alot to her and several others in the search for answers. Heck, even Mcsmom has been "duped" on some things as Bill puts it. But it is what it is.
Again, i cannot say why these comments were made, but I always thought they were much broader or random then directed at your good neighbors or yourself. Not speaking about the good people, but anyone around there rumored to be is what I took it as.
But it's not for me to say. I just don't know what to think because I like this person very much for what I know of her.

No, never duped, just smart enough to know the difference between expecting to be informed and kind enough not to ask.

just me wrote:

Fred was there, or at the least there at the command post or lodge where family and such gathered in 2006. Fred made a "nervous" comment to one of our posters. She posted that he was picking on her weight, but that he was only kidding and had nervously said something to that effect. Alot of people were ther in 2006 but only so many went off to do the search.
I was told Fred went along to the A-frame :( Someone working with the PI's told me that, but that may have been untrue.

Many of us were at the lodge during the 2006 search. Fred nor any family went to the AFrame while being searched by PIs and dogs.Fred was unaware the AFrame was being searched he was not in the area when this search happened. So whom ever told you Fred was there while the AFrame was being searched is an untrue statement.

mcsmom wrote:

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No, never duped, just smart enough to know the difference between expecting to be informed and kind enough not to ask.

Oh hi mcsmom. I'm not sure I know what you mean, but it's good to see you none the less ;)
I'm sure you know what I mean because I've talked with you over the phone before too, but I've decided to let it go.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Jenkins you are right about the jacknife supposely belonging to the resident in the Aframe. The knife FM tried to drop off at the police station that they wouldn't accept, so he mailed it in.
I would think that if I truly believed the jacknife story I would make sure that myself or Healy (the head PI)would be present at the Aframe search. According to Citigirl FM and Healy were not present.
I don't know what to believe. Would FM if he was given a stained knife - that he mailed to LE, and then had the ability to search the house of the "owner" be there for the search or would he have somthing more important to do that day? Logically you would think he would be there, he does make first person quotes in the newspaper that he got the key and organized the search of the Aframe. IMHO.

Healy was not present at all during the 2006 search. Fred was at the 2006 search but when the AFrame was searched he was unaware of this and in another town with a PI while the AFrame was being searched. I have said this in past postings that Fred was there at the lodge but not in the area and not aware the AFrame was being searched.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Many of us were at the lodge during the 2006 search. Fred nor any family went to the AFrame while being searched by PIs and dogs.Fred was unaware the AFrame was being searched he was not in the area when this search happened. So whom ever told you Fred was there while the AFrame was being searched is an untrue statement.

Thanks for your reply, citigirl.
The person who told me, hmmm, yep, they were telling tales in the end BUT that person WAS there. And the one who helped obtain the key wrote about it on Topix a year or so back. But I'm going to drop it because I can tell that this subject is taboo. And I will respect that.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Healy was not present at all during the 2006 search. Fred was at the 2006 search but when the AFrame was searched he was unaware of this and in another town with a PI while the AFrame was being searched. I have said this in past postings that Fred was there at the lodge but not in the area and not aware the AFrame was being searched.

Oh, there we go. Now this makes better sense to me. Thank you again citigirl.
Maybe he just dropped in at some point, made the comment and was led away so that he wouldn't catch wind of the search. I'm not sure how all those people could keep it from him, and/but I just find that highly doubtful. Just being honest and I know it doesn't seem to matter to many here what I have to say because who cares, right?
I only spent several months talking in person and over the phone with one of the former "investigaters"
I should really go take up , hmmmm, knitting?
Not directed at you citi, just a side comment and only OMPEWBOSB

*should have read: only MPEWBOSB

Just me/Paris: I don't know that I would classify it as taboo. Rather, it's the concern of passing along what we HEARD from another person - it's the rationale behind heresay being inadmissible (except here in Chicago - when you're Drew Peterson. Heh.) Sorry, off-topic. But yes, the reason behind that is simply reliability.

How can you truly vouch for the veracity of a statement you are hearing second-hand? You can't. You can stand by your friend/whomever you hear the statement from. You cannot, however, confirm of what was heard - you weren't there.
(Note: I'm not saying 'you' as in you, personally. Empirically speaking.)

Such things are disproven all the time. Look, Citigirl just disputed something you were told, a few posts up - and I don't think you meant to be deceitful. I think you were told an untruth.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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It shouldn't matter Amy.Com mon sense tells me that if it was MM's blood then the house would have been torn apart and police all over it. I believe the people that lived there would have been arrested. It didn't happen so what does that say?
Bringing up peoples real names and even addresses has been going on since the very first MM forum.
To my knowledge the aframe was never searched by LE. I would think if anything was found that pertained to a crime then it would have been roped off with police tape.
For all we know whoever lived there might have had a female dog that was in heat and dropped blood on the floor of closet. There's only been hearsay about the knife, a-frame and the people that lived in the a-frame.
Oh and it was mentioned to whiston before that it was wrong to use real names but yet he continues.

Wowzer I actually saw the knife the weekend it was given to Fred. It was never stated that it was a murder weapon. Only the possibility that it could be connected with a crime.I only use names that people themselves have given to media in interviews. I have asked whiston not to put names out there but unfortunately he continues to do so.