Maura Murray

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Healy was not present at all during the 2006 search. Fred was at the 2006 search but when the AFrame was searched he was unaware of this and in another town with a PI while the AFrame was being searched. I have said this in past postings that Fred was there at the lodge but not in the area and not aware the AFrame was being searched.

Citigirl: I think it is fair to say If someone knows the truth they should speak up and come forward about what happened to your cousin. However, the same standard should be set for you as well. If the truth is that there is nothing that you know that links the Aframe to your cousin you speak up and come forward as well.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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I have made mention to this before a couple posts back, but will do so again. After the way the Aframe was handled why would anyone want to allow searches on their property? Why would anyone risk harm to their good name when searchers or family members can make any statements online or in the newspaper?
In my opinion if MM took a ride chances are she took a ride from a stranger who could have dropped her off somewhere. I doubt anyone would come out with any information now the way everything has or is being handled. Imagine if someone remembers their parent coming home late for dinner that night because they saw someone on the road who needed a ride to Bartlett, or some neighboring town. Do you think they would be quick to offer this tip?

If they had heard of the way that SBD and CW and officer Smith and trooper Monahan were treated online and likely by mouth in that town. They would have to be insane. This point was driven home by myself and others to her over and over and over again. Thinking that the simple logic would be enough to stop her. There was really nothing else that could be done to prevent her from the wholesale character assassination of the people in the area. Never did she seem to grasp the gravity of what she was doing or the damage that she was doing which I believe to this day still permeated this investigation.

No one knowing anything about this investigation would come forward at this point with anything new if they had seen the way that some of the others were treated. They would have to be nuts to do so. SBD was continually and repeatedly condemned and all he ever tried to do was help. Look at what CW went through and what was said about him when he realized after the fact that he might have seen someone resembling who they were looking for. A passing chance encounter that certain people wanted to turn into another witch hunt. I remember all the BS stated about SBD simply because he retired and went to Florida, years later they were still talking crap about him and he remained the butt of these personal vendettas until his death, and beyond. He still hadn't escaped, even in death.

So, anyone out there that might have that tiny piece of evidence, that one spark that might reignite this investigation. Please, come forward, don't let those nameless, faceless voices in the ether of the internet realm scare you. They will recognize you for the heroes you are for coming forward and trying to help....promise. Just look at how the past people who tried to help in this case were treated..... Oops, bad example.

Bill

WTH-the-original wrote:

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She was on the top of the list. I remember her, was very sorry to hear when she passed but some of her ideas I thought were way, way out there. Again, lots of story, little to back any of it up or tie any of it together the way she wanted as I remember. I think her map is still around. Saw it recently if I remember correctly. I think that NH/VT map was hers.
Bill

yes, the map was hers, and she really went to alot of effort, lots of pounding the pavement to courthouses, libraries as well as the internet to help create a good map with personal breakdowns on a persons case file. The Vt police I believe it is, uses her link, has a mink to it on her page.
She was 1 of 2 I was referring to before.
Anyway, the family, PI's and such placed alot of trust in her.
She had been poisened though with gas, spent time in the hospital, lost her vocal chords and this was in 2005 sometime. But trooper that she was, she got right back with it when she left the hospital.

just me wrote:

<quoted text>She had been poisened though with gas

What does this mean? Accidental, intentional, what type of gas?

Bill

Well, she said it was done to her by someone unknown. That there were cars coming and going outside her place and she told Helena she was afraid. One day while taking a shower, she was overcome by the gas. She ran outside where a neighbor was able to see this, revive her, sustain her until help came. But she also broke 2 ribs doing CPR.

When Beth came back, she had a hard time making sentences. It was sometimes hard to believe it was eve her making the posts. But she came through it with much doctoring and rehab.

Her vocal chords. The nurse removed a 3 part breathing tube incorrectly. It not only tore up her throat and chords, but she had to strain to be heard, let alone understood.

just me wrote:

Well, she said it was done to her by someone unknown. That there were cars coming and going outside her place and she told Helena she was afraid. One day while taking a shower, she was overcome by the gas. She ran outside where a neighbor was able to see this, revive her, sustain her until help came. But she also broke 2 ribs doing CPR.

Kiss off whoever does not seem to know this is true.

just me wrote:

Well, she said it was done to her by someone unknown. That there were cars coming and going outside her place and she told Helena she was afraid. One day while taking a shower, she was overcome by the gas. She ran outside where a neighbor was able to see this, revive her, sustain her until help came. But she also broke 2 ribs doing CPR.

The term gas can mean many things. I am not saying you know but was it carbon monoxide or something else. People overcome by most gases don't "run" anywhere, especially if they need CPR.

This is like many things that I heard from her. They almost never seemed to add up.

Vocal cord damage/irritation is not uncommon in even a correctly placed ET/Combitube so the whispering is not unusual and can last a very long time, though it usually passes. They are usually damaged upon insertion during a blind intubation procedure, not usually removal but it could happen.

I still need to ask why (she might have never told you) she thinks whatever this was, was intentional? Paranoia may or may not be justified, but usually there is a reason. Her delving into unknown missing persons isn't enough in my mind.

Bill

CLARIFICATION:
This is what Beth told me. This is what Beth told some other people.
So hey, for all I know it was made up, but what are the odds? She was being follwed.
Then in 2007, I called Helena upon learning that Beth was found during a wellness check-slumped over her bed. It was too late to save her.

just me wrote:

Well, she said it was done to her by someone unknown. That there were cars coming and going outside her place and she told Helena she was afraid. One day while taking a shower, she was overcome by the gas. She ran outside where a neighbor was able to see this, revive her, sustain her until help came. But she also broke 2 ribs doing CPR.

I would have guessed the shower would be the safest place. The bathroom door would be closed, I'm assuming a window or fan would be on to help vetilate the bathroom.

If she was able to say the person was unknown, wouldn't she have to have def find out who did it to make that statement. I'd imagine she would turn that person over to LE and this perosn is in jail.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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The term gas can mean many things. I am not saying you know but was it carbon monoxide or something else. People overcome by most gases don't "run" anywhere, especially if they need CPR.
This is like many things that I heard from her. They almost never seemed to add up.
Vocal cord damage/irritation is not uncommon in even a correctly placed ET/Combitube so the whispering is not unusual and can last a very long time, though it usually passes. They are usually damaged upon insertion during a blind intubation procedure, not usually removal but it could happen.
I still need to ask why (she might have never told you) she thinks whatever this was, was intentional? Paranoia may or may not be justified, but usually there is a reason. Her delving into unknown missing persons isn't enough in my mind.
Bill

Good questions, and I don't have definative answers, sorry.
Her parents confirmed she was overcome by gas, carbon monoxide from inside her place in Essex, NH.

just me wrote:

CLARIFICATION:
This is what Beth told me. This is what Beth told some other people.
So hey, for all I know it was made up, but what are the odds? She was being follwed.
Then in 2007, I called Helena upon learning that Beth was found during a wellness check-slumped over her bed. It was too late to save her.

Sad but true, all true.

just me wrote:

<quoted text>Good questions, and I don't have definative answers, sorry.
Her parents confirmed she was overcome by gas, carbon monoxide from inside her place in Essex, NH.

Thanks for the information. Just to be clear. I believe what you have relayed to me here. I just find parts of what she has said unusual.

I will say one more thing. People don't walk into rooms filled with carbon monoxide where people have succumbed and walk out without symptoms usually. Depending on the levels it can take minutes to hours to be overcome or have other symptoms but the fire department would have metered the entire house if that was suspected in the death. And they would have done it while they were wearing SCBA, breathing apparatus. And the source of the CO should/would have been identified. Again, a series of statements made that just don't sound correct by the family. Was her passing at the same location of the first CO poisoning?

Bill

Where is Essex, NH?, Essex, VT?

Bill

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Thanks for the information. Just to be clear. I believe what you have relayed to me here. I just find parts of what she has said unusual.
I will say one more thing. People don't walk into rooms filled with carbon monoxide where people have succumbed and walk out without symptoms usually. Depending on the levels it can take minutes to hours to be overcome or have other symptoms but the fire department would have metered the entire house if that was suspected in the death. And they would have done it while they were wearing SCBA, breathing apparatus. And the source of the CO should/would have been identified. Again, a series of statements made that just don't sound correct by the family. Was her passing at the same location of the first CO poisoning?
Bill

This is another prime example of miscommunication, the birth of an innocuous, yet erroneous fact, in this case Bill assumes Silky died from CO poisoning, based on the information he was given.

And the beat goes on....

FrmLE wrote:

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I have neither the time nor inclination to explain to you all the ways in which you are incorrect. As I have said many times before, having the ability to use google and knowing how to copy/paste does not in any way equate having knowledge of how Law Enforcement works, how criminal investigations are conducted, or what constitutes 6th Ammendments restrictions.
My posts are not directed at you, they are directed at those readers who may be duped into believing that because you fill this thread with countless long rambling posts that make definitive statements, that you know what you are talking about.
Becuase you do not. That is my simple message, buyer beware of jerky jenkins.

What I find funny about this whole statement is how you claim to not have enough time and you expect people to just believe you. Is that really the case or in reality do you just know your wrong and hope people will believe you?
Last week when you thought I was saying that if she was in the woods she would've been found by now you posted multiple articles to prove that statement was wrong, and you proved it was wrong.
It's so blatantly obvious that your wrong here, if you werent you would break out articles an explain exactly how I am wrong, yet your not doing that.
Just because you say something doesn't make it true.
And out of all the things I've sid in the past wk this is what you choose to say is wrong?? Obviously your entitled to a speedy trial and obviously a blood stain isn't enough to convict anyone without a body too.

Your just still pissy because last week I made it abundantly clear to anyone who can think that there is no way a LEO who worked this case, or one who was illegally shown the case file would ever post to a forum like this, not gonna happen, no way in hell..

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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I would have guessed the shower would be the safest place. The bathroom door would be closed, I'm assuming a window or fan would be on to help vetilate the bathroom.
If she was able to say the person was unknown, wouldn't she have to have def find out who did it to make that statement. I'd imagine she would turn that person over to LE and this perosn is in jail.

Wouldn't her saying the person was unknown simply mean she didn't know who it was?

I'm sure if she knew who the person was she would've turned them over to LE but she couldn't do that because the person was unknown.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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Wouldn't her saying the person was unknown simply mean she didn't know who it was?
I'm sure if she knew who the person was she would've turned them over to LE but she couldn't do that because the person was unknown.

No it doesn't. If you say you don't know the person, it means you have identified the person to know that it wasn't anyone that you knew. If it was a man in a mask than you didn't ID them and it could still be anyone.

You not serious are you lighthouse?
Say thee person was wearing mask so she was unable to Id them, wouldn't that person be unknown?

If she was able to identify who it was then the person would not be unknown; maybe she doesn't know the person but if she knew who it was then the person would not be unknown.

I think it's pretty clear when she says the person was unknown that she had no idea who it was