Maura Murray

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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I would have guessed the shower would be the safest place. The bathroom door would be closed, I'm assuming a window or fan would be on to help vetilate the bathroom.
If she was able to say the person was unknown, wouldn't she have to have def find out who did it to make that statement. I'd imagine she would turn that person over to LE and this perosn is in jail.

Hi there. By unknown, I mean that Beth was getting more and more scared by the day that she was not only being followed, but this group of (same cars switching drivers) would drive by her home all the time. Some would be seen up the road. I google earthed that place and could see where it happened.
I don't think she had any way to know who did this, but she fully felt her home had been gone through.

I bet someone in NH could go to the courthouse and into the public records room to see if she reported it and read the case file. I do this myself for various reasons, here in MPLS.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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Wouldn't her saying the person was unknown simply mean she didn't know who it was?
I'm sure if she knew who the person was she would've turned them over to LE but she couldn't do that because the person was unknown.

Exactly.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

<quoted text>...Obviously your entitled to a speedy trial and obviously a blood stain isn't enough to convict anyone without a body too.

I believe that a blood stain is sufficient to convict without a body, if the blood stain represents enough blood having been lost that the person could not have survived.

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How far was the A frame from the crash site?

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Thanks for the information. Just to be clear. I believe what you have relayed to me here. I just find parts of what she has said unusual.
I will say one more thing. People don't walk into rooms filled with carbon monoxide where people have succumbed and walk out without symptoms usually. Depending on the levels it can take minutes to hours to be overcome or have other symptoms but the fire department would have metered the entire house if that was suspected in the death. And they would have done it while they were wearing SCBA, breathing apparatus. And the source of the CO should/would have been identified. Again, a series of statements made that just don't sound correct by the family. Was her passing at the same location of the first CO poisoning?
Bill

Oh, no it was not the death of her in 2005 when this gas thing happened happened. Beth recovered and went back at trying to help run the MMM forum and searches and on and on for the Murrays and Dwyers.
In late fall 2006, a detective wanted to know what source it was that Helena had for some of these things that were being introduced as evidense. NOT eveidense for police, but for the PI's and a few select others. Detective wanted to know why these pictures were registered to person in Beths own apartment complex where she had moved to in Lebanon, NH after rehab.
Reluctantly, Beth, detective, and Helena started doing 3 way emails complete with pictures of some jeep. A detective got ahold of me and sent those emails TO me. I had been trying to get ahold of Philpin, the author of The shawdow of death. That book is about the Valley killings in NH. Gets confusing here, bear with me. Beth had been pegged as "billyjack" on crimenews2000 forums. This "billyjack" was saying some things back in March and April of 2004 about Maura's case that were intriguing to Helena,~ explanations of how Maura died and how, who might have driven what. I tried to google it but this was only in 2008 when all these ppl were seeking ME out and crimenews2000 had deleted all that info. No proboards I've ever seen can cough any of it up either. Helena started writing to Beth to ask if she would please come and help her with the case. Helena said that she had called Philpin to see if it was ok to ask Beth to help. I have that email along with Beths reply, and several more. Then another detective called me on in 2008. Detective knows and had worked with Philpin and asked for my help when they heard Beth had died. I couldn't offer much, Beth hardly talked about her own self, and that's what they wanted to know.
Helena had called me back one week after I told her Beth was found lumped over the end of the bed, on the footboard of it. Autopsy, toxicology came back 6 or so months later that COD was mainly heart failure, and parents were tight lipped from then on.
Helena called me one week after I had given her the news to post on the forums. She wanted to know if the detectives had called me yet and at that point they hadn't. There's a mystery there, but heck if I know it. Anyway, Beth was disgusted when she had to admit she was just a gumshoe, never in the army, etc and so she decided to move 3 miles away from me, go figure.

An employee in the office of Beths new place here in MN was called and asked to do a wellness check by Beths parents and so they received the bad news, just days before Christmas of 2007. They put her death down as the same day an older sister of hers had died, but it was off by 2 days in my opinion.

I just don't get that lighthouse, you saying that unknown person means that you know who it is you just don't personally know the person?

I thought unknown person meant the person was unknown, but maybe I'm wrong there

mcsmom wrote:

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This is another prime example of miscommunication, the birth of an innocuous, yet erroneous fact, in this case Bill assumes Silky died from CO poisoning, based on the information he was given.
And the beat goes on....

Bill just didn't realize or recall that Beth died on late 2007, that's all

and the beat goes on... lada da, da, da, da deeeee, lada dada dada, da.

The pictures were of Brian Rooney's jeep, after it was impounded.

WTH-the-original wrote:

Where is Essex, NH?, Essex, VT?
Bill

NH. Maybe they called it Exssess junction, something like that. Wish I could help more. Maybe I can Pm you sometime with the exact location.

mcsmom wrote:

The pictures were of Brian Rooney's jeep, after it was impounded.

No, sorry, they were not. I saw it in a garage, in her bldg with tape around it and the whole nine yards. Maybe you're right that she sent out other pictures too but hey, maybe I'll send you an email so you can see the vehicle that everyone was contesting sfter learning that the Vin number was registered to a person who lived in her same apartment complex.

Just me--paris wrote:

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Bill just didn't realize or recall that Beth died on late 2007, that's all
and the beat goes on... lada da, da, da, da deeeee, lada dada dada, da.

Again, Bill's reply implies he's curious if the CO was ever sourced in connection to her death in the same location.

Holy smokes, no wonder there's an epidemic of missing people.

Just me--paris wrote:

<quoted text>No, sorry, they were not. I saw it in a garage, in her bldg with tape around it and the whole nine yards. Maybe you're right that she sent out other pictures too but hey, maybe I'll send you an email so you can see the vehicle that everyone was contesting sfter learning that the Vin number was registered to a person who lived in her same apartment complex.

It matters not if you can believe what I'm typing. So call Helena. I know you did in the past. She won't deny it to you.
Remember when Beth showed up at your place to go do a search and you were all dressed up? She said "how are we going to find Maura looking like that" something I read almost word for word from another of your confidents.

mcsmom wrote:

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Again, Bill's reply implies he's curious if the CO was ever sourced in connection to her death in the same location.
Holy smokes, no wonder there's an epidemic of missing people.

Well, that's ok because I'm here to reply to it rather quickly, but I get your point.
I'm pretty sure it was the way I worded it.

mcsmom wrote:

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Again, Bill's reply implies he's curious if the CO was ever sourced in connection to her death in the same location.
Holy smokes, no wonder there's an epidemic of missing people.

I don't know if that's what led to Beths Parkinsons. It was starting to get really bad, she had to force herself not to walk in circles. i felt so bad for the struggles she faced after the 2005 incident.
The people in her complex told me she was a great person to chat with, always smiling and holding doors. Quiet, funny........many were really torn up that she could pass away in what seemed like a *snap*

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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I would have guessed the shower would be the safest place. The bathroom door would be closed, I'm assuming a window or fan would be on to help vetilate the bathroom.
If she was able to say the person was unknown, wouldn't she have to have def find out who did it to make that statement. I'd imagine she would turn that person over to LE and this perosn is in jail.

Not necessarily. A good friend built a beautiful log home with a walkout finished basement. The master bedroom & bath were in the basement. The utility room with the tankless water heater was also in the basement. He'd get up in the morning feeling great but after taking a shower he'd feel lightheaded, dizzy & weak. This went on for almost a yr. After awhile he became increasingly foggy headed, had difficulty concentrating, was quick to anger & paranoid. Doctors couldnt figure out what was wrong. One night his girlfriend and daughter stayed overnight. They started feeling the same. Come to find out there was a defective seal in the tankless heater. There was a co detector in the utility room but it never went off. He now has the kind with the digital readout. He happened to know a friend who worked for the fire dept who came out & took the co readings. They were so high he would not allow anyone including the (heating contractor) to go back in without the SCBA breathing apparatus. By the time my friend, his girlfriend & daughter got to the hospital and had their blood tested (approx 45 min to 1hr) there was only trace co in their blood. So far my friend hasnt had any long term damage despite the fact this went on for almost a yr. I'd say he's pretty lucky.He was in excellent condition before this all started & I'm sure that helped.
Dont know if anything similar could have happened with silky
FYI this happened around 2007 or 2008. The heater was a Munster and the manufacturer had changed the design to correct the issue just prior to my friends incident. No recall, just a design change.

FrmLE wrote:

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Pissy? Whow says that? Pissy, sounds like a word a girl uses, are you really a chick? Are you a guy or girl?

Hahaha. This place is awesome. Good try to pawn him off on us, but the chicks already disowned him a few pages back over his lack of menstruation knowledge.

Yes, you are missing some fascinating stuff during your travels. Fortunately it'll all be in reruns again next month.

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Or perhaps I simply feel that trying to teach you anything is a complete waste of my time.
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This was simply the most recent pile of ridiculousness you posted, I have been traveling and haven't really had time to read all the way back through all of your garbage.
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Shows what you know, doesn't it? Idiot, lol
Pissy? Whow says that? Pissy, sounds like a word a girl uses, are you really a chick? Are you a guy or girl?
Be honest.

Lol, wow what a douchebag.

First of all you said your posts weren't directed at me, they're directed at everyone else. So then you wouldn't be "teaching" me, but rather them..right?

Why don't you "teach" everyone what's so wrong with that statement?

Once charges are brought LE only has one chance to make them stick, correct? If they lost at trial they're beat, there's no retries for the prosecution. They also have a limited time to do start the trial, in most states its a year but it's rarely actually a year because motions extend that time. In NH I believe they actually have two years but the point is still valid.

A small bloodstain is not enough to obtain a conviction. All that proves is someone was bleeding in the house; unless it is a huge stain that does not prove anyone is even dead. Unless you can prove the person is dead you certainly can't convict someone of the murder. A small bloodstain in a closet is not enough to convict someone of murder and send them up for life; it's just not. Do you disagree with that?
So if the blood isn't enough, then they would need to find her body..

Every defendant has a right to a speedy trial, meaning they can't jus keep you incarcerated until they find her body. The state either needs to bring you to trial or drop the charges. In NH it is actually two years from the arrest date. Meaning if they brought Charges for the bloodstain they would have two years to find the body. If they don't they'll either lose at trial or the case would be thrown out for violating the right to a speedy trial.

The state is not going to risk taking something like that to trial and losing. Imagine if they lost and them someone found the body a week later, then a murderer would be walkin free and everyone would know it. No Prosecutor is going to take that risk, no way. Think about the public outcry.

There is no debating whether or not a person has a right to a speedy trial and that limit is two years max. It's also extremely unlikely to obtain a conviction off of a bloodstain alone, unless it's huge; big enough to prove death to a jury.

Absent of a giant bloodstain like that or some other sort of damning evidence the state will not bring charges unless they have her body. It's been done before but convicting someone of murder without a body is extremely difficult and extremely rare.

So if a bloodstain isn't enough to convict they would need to find more evidence before trial. Since the defendant has a right to a speedy trial they would have two years max to find her body or they would be beat.
I don't see how any of that is debatable. Why don't you "teach" everyone what's so wrong about that. Lol

I'm completely and utterly lost as to the past few pages...and I've been reading/lurking for years here and at WS.

What exactly are you saying, Just me/Paris? I think you are inferring that Beth aka SilkyBoxers was untruthful in the some sense regarding her past (Army comment) but other than that, it sounds like a plethora of detail regarding her unfortunate health issues - yet, that still doesn't broach the inexplicable portions of what you wrote...

I get she was your friend. I understand that you want to 'defend' her, in a sense.

Yet...why go into all this detail about her, now? I'm confused.

Then again, this forum has that effect on me.

mcsmom? Perhaps a synopsis from you? I've always known your posts to be succinct.:)

I almost don't even want to touch the whole FrmLE/Jenkins debacle...

and yet, I will.

I'm not sure where you are going with this, Jenkins -(and I mean no disrespect...I don't particularly dislike your posts, and I've never taken issue with you before)- but there is no statute of limitations on murder. Furthermore, what you stated above regarding the right to a speedy trial - immaterial. There is no such 2 year window of opportunity.

Citation, sir: N.H. RSA 625:8(I)

I. Except as otherwise provided in this section, prosecutions are subject to the following periods of limitations:
(a) For a class A felony, 6 years;
(b) For a class B felony, 6 years;
(c) For a misdemeanor, one year;
(d) For a violation, 3 months.
(e) For an offense defined by RSA 282-A, 6 years.
II. Murder may be prosecuted at any time.

So. I think this argument about the presumptive unwillingness of the prosecution to indict, is a moot argument. But, that's just me.

Simply Sarcasm wrote:

I'm completely and utterly lost as to the past few pages...and I've been reading/lurking for years here and at WS.
What exactly are you saying, Just me/Paris? I think you are inferring that Beth aka SilkyBoxers was untruthful in the some sense regarding her past (Army comment) but other than that, it sounds like a plethora of detail regarding her unfortunate health issues - yet, that still doesn't broach the inexplicable portions of what you wrote...
I get she was your friend. I understand that you want to 'defend' her, in a sense.
Yet...why go into all this detail about her, now? I'm confused.
Then again, this forum has that effect on me.
mcsmom? Perhaps a synopsis from you? I've always known your posts to be succinct.:)

That's all I have to say about Beth now. I guess and just felt like saying it once Wowzer brought up one of the people I was referring to. That and, I like to answer people when they come to me with questions. I didn't mean to hog up all the space. i can see other people are trying to continue talks, so bye for now.