Maura Murray

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Pointless Endeavor wrote:

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You want a point? How about this:
Theoretically, Maura was abducted and murdered. Could you, as a good Christian, forgive the murderer of his sins? Would you ask God, through intercessory prayer, to forgive (him?) I can and have. Those closest to the alleged victim would find it hardest. Others without faith or blinded by contempt would rather wish for the alleged murderer's death.

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rozShoem wrote:

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Hope_Eternal,
Rumor, fact...whatever....the purpose for many on this forum is to stop any and all communication regarding MM's disappearance. Why? Only they know. In my opinion, much about this whole disappearance has been covered up from the beginning and as you can see, this effort continues. Possibly, more than one person was responsible for Maura's disappearance. My personal opinion is thatpossibly many have a good idea who is responsible for these disappearances and known murders and are protecting him.

Stephen wrote:

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I took your forum name to be a commentary that was in accord with the random, unfounded implication of your first message.
The following is a general statement: I believe we all hope for resolution. For justice, if there has been harm (and it would seem so) and for reconciliation in the remote chance that she is still out there.
But resolution will ultimately come by reporting real honest to goodness pieces of the puzzle to the Police.
For the most part, Topix can only be of value if honest discussions would enable a group of people to hash out a solution. Even in a completely arguement free environment, this is nearly impossible; every detail of the case has been thought out by numerous people, and unfortunately, we have fallen short.
My prayer is for the discontinuation of the disfunction that ends up turning into pointless bickering, multiple accusations, upset feelings, but no resolution.
You (plural) could write thousands of pages, repeating over and over that a serial killer from the local area harmed Maura, or that police harmed her, make up stories to see how people will react, accuse a random or even long term poster because they disagree with you, call people names, or make blanket statements that the people here are of a certain type, but you'll get the same result. Nothing.
But after spending all of that effort, you will be no further towards resolution. All you've done is argue and hurt people that have nothing to do with the case.
I agree, a miracle might happen, and the bad guy might show up here and confess.
But realistically, I doubt a solution is going to happen here.
If you think a serial killer was involved, ask yourself how many serial killers have been apprehended because they decided to make a post at Topix? How are they usually apprehended? If that's what happened to Maura, then it will probably be resolved in the usual way. Whatever that is.
People interested in seeing this come to a resolution also have a choice. And that choice is to do as little collateral damage as possible. To be responsible. This group, I have to say has been notoriously irresponsible.
So, to be clear to roz, we don't mind if the issue is discussed. We do mind the manner in which it is discussed. You seem to believe that the only reason anyone objects to your statements is because they want to "protect someone." Believe me, I have no desire to have a serial murderer live free anywhere, let alone my part of the country. Even on a selfish level, its not a healthy choice - but I care about people in general much more then that.
So, no, we aren't "protecting" anyone other then ourselves from people who are irresponsibly abusive. We are protecting good honest future volunteers, from careless creators of red herrings. Red Herrings that cause people to waste hours of time chasing bogus clues. This is why your inability to answer causes us to disregard what you say completely. Because when you use words like "Mr. Smiley" but are unable to even acknowledge or address the issue when its later brought up, it tells us you didn't consider it important yourself, didn't care if anybody looked into it for a few hours here and there. Same with the flat tire.
No one is entitled to mess with random people. No one is entitled to characterize people they don't know. The Murrays are entitled to justice, but people who are working for justice are not entitled to cause collateral damage because of the unjustified tragedy that happened to Maura Murray.

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Snowy wrote:

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fyi, my grandfather was hit and killed by a car....i still have the remnants of his broken glasses and other personal items. with certainty, personal items would be scattered and not easily collected. MM was presumed to be carrying items with her in a backpack.
and who the hell would travel to NH, VT or ME in feb. without appropriate clothing? someone ought to consider that fact, plain and simple.

Bill 05478 wrote:

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First off sorry for your grandfather, I don't believe the hit and run theory either, as you said belongings would be scattered, and 9 times out of ten the victim of a H and run usually loses at least one shoe upon contact. Seeing how the road is so dark and that road is very dark, there is no way anyone would have time to scoop her up as well as collect any and all belongings that would have scattered.
As far as her traveling up north without the proper clothing. Finally someone noticed something that I wrote earlier. It was not just the fact of traveling up in here in Feb, but that particular year we had set all kinds of record lows for the region with sub zero temps for weeks. If she was dressed as stated there is no way she would have survived out there. But where her scent ends in the middle of the road, it is safe to deduct that she climbed into a vehicle willingly or unwillingly. That is if in fact she was even there.

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Snowy wrote:

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and, finally, Maura's peers, sibs and vindictive supporters remain silent about her relationships prior to her disappearance....clues held tightly....to protect her and her family from scrutiny that might very well explain the circumstances of her leaving amherst....and possibly, her destination.

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Snowy wrote:

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you write:
"But where her scent ends in the middle of the road, it is safe to deduct that she climbed into a vehicle willingly or unwillingly. That is if in fact she was even there."
i couldn't agree more.

Bill 05478 wrote:

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This is gossip on your part for you to insinuate that family members are withholding information to protect her. Now who's pointing the finger at people. But when I get information from people in NH that say they are 99% sure who did it, you all consider this to be wrong. None of you are authorities on the case, and none of you know who did it, but for any of you to tell people not to judge and point fingers and then do do yourself is total nonsense. It seems like you people know how to tell what is the truth and what is not, and it seems anything that a certain group of you say is to be taken as fact and anything anyone else says must be a lie. Well if you all are so sure of the facts then you must know who did it. The police dispatch from that night is also kind of weird if you look at it: http://mauramurraymissing.com/Documents.html
It states that FW called 911 at 1927, said she could see man in the vehicle smoking a cigarette. A man in car smoking cigarette?, now that is unusual. Police are dispatched at 1929. Then police receive a second 911 from SBD at 1943, this is unusual as well because he had saw MM first and lived closer to the scene than FW did, yet she called 16 minutes prior to SBD. Then police arrive at 1946 to find the car. Then at 1954 a BOLO was issued for Maura because until they talked to the SBD they assumed it was FM because the car was registered to him. Not pointing the finger just saying there was a lack of communication in the beginning.

Bill 05478 wrote:

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That was the purpose of my next post to you, FW saw a man in the car smoking a cigarette, SBD had told family members that the photos on the media of MM were not the same girl he had saw that night. So was she there? I really wonder now.

Bill 05478 wrote:

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This is gossip on your part for you to insinuate that family members are withholding information to protect her. Now who's pointing the finger at people. But when I get information from people in NH that say they are 99% sure who did it, you all consider this to be wrong. None of you are authorities on the case, and none of you know who did it, but for any of you to tell people not to judge and point fingers and then do do yourself is total nonsense. It seems like you people know how to tell what is the truth and what is not, and it seems anything that a certain group of you say is to be taken as fact and anything anyone else says must be a lie. Well if you all are so sure of the facts then you must know who did it. The police dispatch from that night is also kind of weird if you look at it: http://mauramurraymissing.com/Documents.html
It states that FW called 911 at 1927, said she could see man in the vehicle smoking a cigarette. A man in car smoking cigarette?, now that is unusual. Police are dispatched at 1929. Then police receive a second 911 from SBD at 1943, this is unusual as well because he had saw MM first and lived closer to the scene than FW did, yet she called 16 minutes prior to SBD. Then police arrive at 1946 to find the car. Then at 1954 a BOLO was issued for Maura because until they talked to the SBD they assumed it was FM because the car was registered to him. Not pointing the finger just saying there was a lack of communication in the beginning.

Snowy wrote:

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nowhere has it been determined, theoretically or definitively, that she was abducted and murdered. period.

Stephen wrote:

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I took your forum name to be a commentary that was in accord with the random, unfounded implication of your first message....

Sara wrote:

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I always thought that the immediate witness statement was always the most accurate? It is known that after the days start to go by, what you thought you saw can start to change. If Faith said that she saw a man at the car smoking a cigarette on that night right after the accident, why would it be dismissed so quickly as not being what she saw? I always thought this a bit odd.

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Stephen wrote:

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I took your forum name to be a commentary that was in accord with the random, unfounded implication of your first message.
The following is a general statement: I believe we all hope for resolution. For justice, if there has been harm (and it would seem so) and for reconciliation in the remote chance that she is still out there.
But resolution will ultimately come by reporting real honest to goodness pieces of the puzzle to the Police.
For the most part, Topix can only be of value if honest discussions would enable a group of people to hash out a solution. Even in a completely arguement free environment, this is nearly impossible; every detail of the case has been thought out by numerous people, and unfortunately, we have fallen short.
My prayer is for the discontinuation of the disfunction that ends up turning into pointless bickering, multiple accusations, upset feelings, but no resolution.
You (plural) could write thousands of pages, repeating over and over that a serial killer from the local area harmed Maura, or that police harmed her, make up stories to see how people will react, accuse a random or even long term poster because they disagree with you, call people names, or make blanket statements that the people here are of a certain type, but you'll get the same result. Nothing.
But after spending all of that effort, you will be no further towards resolution. All you've done is argue and hurt people that have nothing to do with the case.
I agree, a miracle might happen, and the bad guy might show up here and confess.
But realistically, I doubt a solution is going to happen here.
If you think a serial killer was involved, ask yourself how many serial killers have been apprehended because they decided to make a post at Topix? How are they usually apprehended? If that's what happened to Maura, then it will probably be resolved in the usual way. Whatever that is.
People interested in seeing this come to a resolution also have a choice. And that choice is to do as little collateral damage as possible. To be responsible. This group, I have to say has been notoriously irresponsible.
So, to be clear to roz, we don't mind if the issue is discussed. We do mind the manner in which it is discussed. You seem to believe that the only reason anyone objects to your statements is because they want to "protect someone." Believe me, I have no desire to have a serial murderer live free anywhere, let alone my part of the country. Even on a selfish level, its not a healthy choice - but I care about people in general much more then that.
So, no, we aren't "protecting" anyone other then ourselves from people who are irresponsibly abusive. We are protecting good honest future volunteers, from careless creators of red herrings. Red Herrings that cause people to waste hours of time chasing bogus clues. This is why your inability to answer causes us to disregard what you say completely. Because when you use words like "Mr. Smiley" but are unable to even acknowledge or address the issue when its later brought up, it tells us you didn't consider it important yourself, didn't care if anybody looked into it for a few hours here and there. Same with the flat tire.
No one is entitled to mess with random people. No one is entitled to characterize people they don't know. The Murrays are entitled to justice, but people who are working for justice are not entitled to cause collateral damage because of the unjustified tragedy that happened to Maura Murray.

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Two Thousand Eleven wrote:

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Yep, it seems someone is being protected, but are these murders all necessarily related? We really don't know if she was murdered

WTH-the-original wrote:

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I have no idea when or who changed my moniker. I didn't change it and have no idea how it changed other than some moderator did it. It is me, WTF-the-original.
Bill

Stephen wrote:

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I took your forum name to be a commentary that was in accord with the random, unfounded implication of your first message.
The following is a general statement: I believe we all hope for resolution. For justice, if there has been harm (and it would seem so) and for reconciliation in the remote chance that she is still out there.
But resolution will ultimately come by reporting real honest to goodness pieces of the puzzle to the Police.
For the most part, Topix can only be of value if honest discussions would enable a group of people to hash out a solution. Even in a completely arguement free environment, this is nearly impossible; every detail of the case has been thought out by numerous people, and unfortunately, we have fallen short.
My prayer is for the discontinuation of the disfunction that ends up turning into pointless bickering, multiple accusations, upset feelings, but no resolution.
You (plural) could write thousands of pages, repeating over and over that a serial killer from the local area harmed Maura, or that police harmed her, make up stories to see how people will react, accuse a random or even long term poster because they disagree with you, call people names, or make blanket statements that the people here are of a certain type, but you'll get the same result. Nothing.
But after spending all of that effort, you will be no further towards resolution. All you've done is argue and hurt people that have nothing to do with the case.
I agree, a miracle might happen, and the bad guy might show up here and confess.
But realistically, I doubt a solution is going to happen here.
If you think a serial killer was involved, ask yourself how many serial killers have been apprehended because they decided to make a post at Topix? How are they usually apprehended? If that's what happened to Maura, then it will probably be resolved in the usual way. Whatever that is.
People interested in seeing this come to a resolution also have a choice. And that choice is to do as little collateral damage as possible. To be responsible. This group, I have to say has been notoriously irresponsible.
So, to be clear to roz, we don't mind if the issue is discussed. We do mind the manner in which it is discussed. You seem to believe that the only reason anyone objects to your statements is because they want to "protect someone." Believe me, I have no desire to have a serial murderer live free anywhere, let alone my part of the country. Even on a selfish level, its not a healthy choice - but I care about people in general much more then that.
So, no, we aren't "protecting" anyone other then ourselves from people who are irresponsibly abusive. We are protecting good honest future volunteers, from careless creators of red herrings. Red Herrings that cause people to waste hours of time chasing bogus clues. This is why your inability to answer causes us to disregard what you say completely. Because when you use words like "Mr. Smiley" but are unable to even acknowledge or address the issue when its later brought up, it tells us you didn't consider it important yourself, didn't care if anybody looked into it for a few hours here and there. Same with the flat tire.
No one is entitled to mess with random people. No one is entitled to characterize people they don't know. The Murrays are entitled to justice, but people who are working for justice are not entitled to cause collateral damage because of the unjustified tragedy that happened to Maura Murray.