Maura Murray

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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Wow! A remarkably lucid and intelligent post.
Bill

Shack wrote:

To Just Me, the Sala...nes lived(s)in the greater Boston area, Middlesex County. They, according to the ID program did not know or hear of Maura Murray's plight of that February night of
the 9th, 2004. I live in Middlesex County also, and did not hear of it until the Spring of 2005.
On ID Linda Sala...nes stated no memory of her call.
Unless one lived up there and heard it on the radio/tv WCAX news,the only newspaper covering it at those first few years was the Caledonian newspaper.

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Bill 05478 wrote:

Ok well I submitted my info to The Cold Case Unit today, I asked them if they in fact had investigated him previously and they said they could not comment on an on going investigation, and that they will take my info and look into it.

rozShoem wrote:

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True, we do not know if she was murdered, but given her level of connectedness and love for her family members it is highly unusual that she would not contact them for 6 years. Maura was someone who genuinely cared about people and in my opinion she would have contacted her mother (knowing of her mother's terminal illness). This leaves us with 2 possibilities: she is either dead or being held against her will. My perspective is that not all the murders in the States of VT, NH and ME are related. However, I believe several of them are. In fact, in my opinion, Ms. O'Hagan of Sheffield VT may have been murdered because she either wittingly or unwittingly observed something she was not supposed to see. Either that or she may have put a few facts together regarding some of these disappearances and shared her conclusion with others, maybe even the wrong someone. Several possibilities.

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Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Amen. And thank you for such a heartfelt and honest post.

Bill 05478 wrote:

Ok well I submitted my info to The Cold Case Unit today, I asked them if they in fact had investigated him previously and they said they could not comment on an on going investigation, and that they will take my info and look into it.

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rozShoem wrote:

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True, we do not know if she was murdered, but given her level of connectedness and love for her family members it is highly unusual that she would not contact them for 6 years. Maura was someone who genuinely cared about people and in my opinion she would have contacted her mother (knowing of her mother's terminal illness). This leaves us with 2 possibilities: she is either dead or being held against her will. My perspective is that not all the murders in the States of VT, NH and ME are related. However, I believe several of them are. In fact, in my opinion, Ms. O'Hagan of Sheffield VT may have been murdered because she either wittingly or unwittingly observed something she was not supposed to see. Either that or she may have put a few facts together regarding some of these disappearances and shared her conclusion with others, maybe even the wrong someone. Several possibilities.

rozShoem wrote:

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Stephen.... I find what you say very interesting because out of all of the posts on this site.....you zero on mine. Therefore, I must ask myself, "WHY is Stephen protesting so loudly?" Why are you not protesting against religious-delusional statements that have appeared? Guess I know the answer to that question! LOL. Last evening I read ONE MORE post (not on this site) about a young woman who disappeared 5 years BEFORE Maura's disappearance on the same highway (Route 112). Her keys and other items had been left in her vehicle...but she was not around. The interesting part is that the writer indicated that the girls wallet was in the car and her license, registration were on the seat....(as though she may have been prepared to present it to police officer, who may have stopped her). In fact the writer indicated police officer...or someone presenting as a police officer. I've read earlier posts indicating this same perspective about a police officer, trooper, legal authority. The other feature that seems to nicely fit into the writer's hypothesis is that it is compatible with something about the Pamela Webb scenario. She was the woman who was abducted from Maine Expressway (?) while changing a flat tire on her truck along side the road and her body was later found in Grafton County in the woods. It had been determined foul play had been involved. Many people could not fathom WHY someone did not stop to help her....she evidentally put up a struggle. This had to be observable by those passing by. What scenario would dictate that people not interfere even though we know that people sometimes simply do not want to become involved? Yes. If it appeared that an officer or trooper was attempting to apprehend, subdue her....something that might not appear unusual to those passing by. This does NOT necessarily mean that there is a rogue law enforcement officer involved. However, it may mean someone is portraying himself as an officer or trooper. Most of these young women seemed to disappear without a struggle. Who might they trust more than an officer or a trooper? Something, however, may have tipped Pamela Webb off that this person was pretending to be an officer or trooper. These are hypothetical scenarios....not fact. However, they are more logical than religious, delusional banter. If my "red herrings" are smelling up your world and in particular your worldview, please feel free not to read my postings. There are plenty of others to choose from. Thank you.

rozShoem wrote:

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It's "heart-felt" in your opinion, Wowzer, because Stephen's view allows your "MM either 'ran away' or 'suicided' theories" to exist, excluding all others. These two hypotheses are cheaper $$$$-wise and will only continue to lessen focus on the possibility of a serial killer. In my opinion,it is unfortunately your kind of thinking that has kept the MM case and similar cases in limbo for several years. It is totally unreasonable to insist that that everyone believe ALL of these young women either ran away or suicided. Some may have, but ALL of them? What about all of those who have been found murdered? Did they all stab themselves, break their own necks and/or manually or otherwise strangle themselves? No wonder people in that area are afraid to say anything, report anything. Possibly for very good reason. In my opinion many on this website are in some way involved in the investigation and are attempting to ensure that ideas or perspectives regarding Maura's case are not discussed. How sad. I'm feeling the same resistance that Maura's father had experienced and for good reason. I believe her father was dead accurate in some of his assumptions, opinions.

rozShoem wrote:

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True, we do not know if she was murdered, but given her level of connectedness and love for her family members it is highly unusual that she would not contact them for 6 years. Maura was someone who genuinely cared about people and in my opinion she would have contacted her mother (knowing of her mother's terminal illness). This leaves us with 2 possibilities: she is either dead or being held against her will. My perspective is that not all the murders in the States of VT, NH and ME are related. However, I believe several of them are. In fact, in my opinion, Ms. O'Hagan of Sheffield VT may have been murdered because she either wittingly or unwittingly observed something she was not supposed to see. Either that or she may have put a few facts together regarding some of these disappearances and shared her conclusion with others, maybe even the wrong someone. Several possibilities.

rozShoem wrote:

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Stephen.... I find what you say very interesting because out of all of the posts on this site.....you zero on mine. Therefore, I must ask myself, "WHY is Stephen protesting so loudly?" Why are you not protesting against religious-delusional statements that have appeared? Guess I know the answer to that question! LOL. Last evening I read ONE MORE post (not on this site) about a young woman who disappeared 5 years BEFORE Maura's disappearance on the same highway (Route 112). Her keys and other items had been left in her vehicle...but she was not around. The interesting part is that the writer indicated that the girls wallet was in the car and her license, registration were on the seat....(as though she may have been prepared to present it to police officer, who may have stopped her). In fact the writer indicated police officer...or someone presenting as a police officer. I've read earlier posts indicating this same perspective about a police officer, trooper, legal authority. The other feature that seems to nicely fit into the writer's hypothesis is that it is compatible with something about the Pamela Webb scenario. She was the woman who was abducted from Maine Expressway (?) while changing a flat tire on her truck along side the road and her body was later found in Grafton County in the woods. It had been determined foul play had been involved. Many people could not fathom WHY someone did not stop to help her....she evidentally put up a struggle. This had to be observable by those passing by. What scenario would dictate that people not interfere even though we know that people sometimes simply do not want to become involved? Yes. If it appeared that an officer or trooper was attempting to apprehend, subdue her....something that might not appear unusual to those passing by. This does NOT necessarily mean that there is a rogue law enforcement officer involved. However, it may mean someone is portraying himself as an officer or trooper. Most of these young women seemed to disappear without a struggle. Who might they trust more than an officer or a trooper? Something, however, may have tipped Pamela Webb off that this person was pretending to be an officer or trooper. These are hypothetical scenarios....not fact. However, they are more logical than religious, delusional banter. If my "red herrings" are smelling up your world and in particular your worldview, please feel free not to read my postings. There are plenty of others to choose from. Thank you.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Given her level of connectedness and love for her family don't you find it highly unusual that she would tell no one, not even her mother,why she was so upset and crying over a phone call she had to be helped by I think her superviser back to her room? Isn't it unusual that she told no family member or friend that she was leaving, got into a car she knew was unreliable and wouldn't even drive around town, lied to her school that there was a death in the family, possibly packed up her room (there's different theories on this) and left to NH knowing she would be driving in the dark.
If she was coming here for a weekend of rest or to ski and her family/friends were aware and suddenly disappeared then I would certainly think that some harm may have come to her.
There's too much mystery to this to either say that she WAS abducted, killed or held hostage just as no one can say for certain that she wasn't.
But blaming people and calling names will not help. It didn't help for the last near 7 years and if anything did much more harm then good.
So if you want to blame me, the neighbors, the town, the PD the FD etc. etc. then you go for it. But please do your homework so you don't sound like such an ass and learn the history of this mystery before you shoot your mouth off about things you have no idea about.

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Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Given her level of connectedness and love for her family don't you find it highly unusual that she would tell no one, not even her mother,why she was so upset and crying over a phone call she had to be helped by I think her superviser back to her room? Isn't it unusual that she told no family member or friend that she was leaving, got into a car she knew was unreliable and wouldn't even drive around town, lied to her school that there was a death in the family, possibly packed up her room (there's different theories on this) and left to NH knowing she would be driving in the dark.
If she was coming here for a weekend of rest or to ski and her family/friends were aware and suddenly disappeared then I would certainly think that some harm may have come to her.
There's too much mystery to this to either say that she WAS abducted, killed or held hostage just as no one can say for certain that she wasn't.
But blaming people and calling names will not help. It didn't help for the last near 7 years and if anything did much more harm then good.
So if you want to blame me, the neighbors, the town, the PD the FD etc. etc. then you go for it. But please do your homework so you don't sound like such an ass and learn the history of this mystery before you shoot your mouth off about things you have no idea about.

Snowy wrote:

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this may be taking another direction....but my admittedly harsh statement originates from speculation about Fred Murray's absence just after Maura's disappearance...that is, the inability of the police to reach him for several to many hours later after her car was found in NH. it was later discussed that FM had an alibi for his whereabouts during that period of time that is known to some posters here....but they refuse to reveal what any details of that alibi.
in addition, her friends at UMASS Amherst were silenced by the authorities...with the exception of a few formal interviews.
whiston has been begging for more information about Maura's life prior to her disappearance for years. i used to believe he was rude and prying, but now understand his point of view.

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While their is no evidence of murder, doesn't the 75% chance of conviction mean anything to anyone? That alone makes me think they have or at least had someone in mind?

Sara wrote:

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While their is no evidence of murder, doesn't the 75% chance of conviction mean anything to anyone? That alone makes me think they have or at least had someone in mind?

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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Sara. I believe that statistic is and likely always was an off the cuff remark to ensure that the prosecution would not be hindered by needing to release any information to the public.
Bill

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Bill 05478 wrote:

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This is gossip on your part for you to insinuate that family members are withholding information to protect her. Now who's pointing the finger at people. But when I get information from people in NH that say they are 99% sure who did it, you all consider this to be wrong. None of you are authorities on the case, and none of you know who did it, but for any of you to tell people not to judge and point fingers and then do do yourself is total nonsense. It seems like you people know how to tell what is the truth and what is not, and it seems anything that a certain group of you say is to be taken as fact and anything anyone else says must be a lie. Well if you all are so sure of the facts then you must know who did it. The police dispatch from that night is also kind of weird if you look at it: http://mauramurraymissing.com/Documents.html
It states that FW called 911 at 1927, said she could see man in the vehicle smoking a cigarette. A man in car smoking cigarette?, now that is unusual. Police are dispatched at 1929. Then police receive a second 911 from SBD at 1943, this is unusual as well because he had saw MM first and lived closer to the scene than FW did, yet she called 16 minutes prior to SBD. Then police arrive at 1946 to find the car. Then at 1954 a BOLO was issued for Maura because until they talked to the SBD they assumed it was FM because the car was registered to him. Not pointing the finger just saying there was a lack of communication in the beginning.