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mcsmom
Hebron, CT
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The only reference I can find described as leisure, was in regards to some of her reading books. Important to bear in mind that as FW describes the vehicle location at the point of seeing someone smoking/red light, is that it is in the westbound ditch facing westbound. Which IMO lends itself to the OPR scenario. Weepers OPR scenario.
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mcsmom
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BobJenkins-OG wrote: Weepers posts are highly interesting. He is an extremely experienced investigator, I find it hard to believe that he doesn't have some good reason to think the accident was staged. I wonder what it is I think he does when he states the car was "placed" on OPR.
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I know I've asked this a million times and I just can't recall the definitive answer, but when a car is placed in reverse, does the exhaust still have output? What happens in neutral, is there any exhaust?
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Maruchan
Merrimack, NH
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citigirl wrote: <quoted text>Go back to Renners blog. No where does it say Dick Guy stated Maura clipped a curb. There are no sidewalks or curbs on 112. No, that was my mistake in composing my post. It took me a while to gather the information, then compose the post in a cohesive and coherent manner, include the links, read it a few times to make sure it made sense, make sure the links work and post it. I know there is not a curb, I am the one who found and posted the pictures and earlier said I have looked at Google Street View, so I know there was no curb. It was simply a mistake in compiling my post.
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citigirl
Brockton, MA
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JWB wrote: <quoted text>
Citigirl- Did you see a sheared off corner when you were there? JWB I did not become involved in the search until March of 2004 which was a month and a half after Maura disappeared.So I cannot answer your question.
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JWB
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Orko Kringer wrote: Jenky,
This is strictly opinion here:
But I could see the 911 call from FW to dispatch going something like this
Dispatch: describe what you see
FW: there is someone sitting in the car and I can see a little red light
Dispatch: a little red light, like someone smoking a cigarette?
FW:yes like someone smoking a cigarette (as dispatch types that witness sees someone inside car smoking cigarette)
If a scenario such as this took place then technically FW would be correct (years later) in saying she did not see a person inside the car smoking a cigarette (but rather what she actually saw was the red light) and it was assumed that it could be a person smoking a cigarette.
Definitely grounds for confusion, But a very likely scenario IMO. Have you read the dispatch? She says can see a man in Veh smoking a cigarette" It is not someone smoking a cigarette it is a man so she must have been fairly certain. JMO
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JWB
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citigirl wrote: <quoted text>JWB I did not become involved in the search until March of 2004 which was a month and a half after Maura disappeared.So I cannot answer your question. Ok- thank you
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JWB
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mcsmom wrote: The only reference I can find described as leisure, was in regards to some of her reading books.
Important to bear in mind that as FW describes the vehicle location at the point of seeing someone smoking/red light, is that it is in the westbound ditch facing westbound.
Which IMO lends itself to the OPR scenario.
Weepers OPR scenario. But MCSmom the ditch is on the eastbound lane
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citigirl
Brockton, MA
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Orko Kringer wrote: family members have said ( I believe gleaned from maura's boyfriend's mom's journal that she kept at the time she went to the accident site) that the evidence at the accident site supports the fact that maura did not come close to hitting a tree and because of the snowbanks, it would've been impossible for her car to hit a tree.
So a tree is not what caused the damage according to billy's mother. Although I did not become involved in the search for Maura until March of 2004 we did look at trees on 112 to see if there was any damage to trees. There was no damage to any of the trees.
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citigirl wrote: <quoted text>Although I did not become involved in the search for Maura until March of 2004 we did look at trees on 112 to see if there was any damage to trees. There was no damage to any of the trees. You guys looked at trees - but didn't turn on her computer? I find that interesting.
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Orko it is possible dispatch just wrote man there. But dispatch isn't the only place FW said man, she also said it to the media I believe. If you read the earliest news reports her desdriptiOn Of what she saw was very different than it is today. She could literally be a case study in how innacurate eye witnesses can sometimes be. It is very interesting to see how much her story has changed over the years
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JWB
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citigirl wrote: <quoted text>Although I did not become involved in the search for Maura until March of 2004 we did look at trees on 112 to see if there was any damage to trees. There was no damage to any of the trees. The video that maruchan was weird in that they kept panning to the trees and staying on that spot ( looking into the woods) yet there was nothing visable. I just found it odd.
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JWB
Portland, ME
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That Maruchan posted- sorry
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citigirl
Brockton, MA
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mcsmom wrote: The only reference I can find described as leisure, was in regards to some of her reading books.
Important to bear in mind that as FW describes the vehicle location at the point of seeing someone smoking/red light, is that it is in the westbound ditch facing westbound.
Which IMO lends itself to the OPR scenario.
Weepers OPR scenario. The ditch in 2004 was on the opposite side of the road that westmans house was on.
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mcsmom
Hebron, CT
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JWB wrote: <quoted text>
But MCSmom the ditch is on the eastbound lane Sharon said the snowbanks were head high on the eastbound side of the road.
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dll
Saint Johnsbury, VT
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mcsmom wrote: I know I've asked this a million times and I just can't recall the definitive answer, but when a car is placed in reverse, does the exhaust still have output?
What happens in neutral, is there any exhaust? Hi mcsmom - To answer your question. Doesn't matter what gear it's in, if the engine is running there'd be exhaust.:)
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JWB
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citigirl wrote: <quoted text>The ditch in 2004 was on the opposite side of the road that westmans house was on. Didn't know that citigirl. I don't remember seeing a ditch there recently on that side. I am not saying there wasn't one in 2004.
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citigirl
Brockton, MA
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Lighthouse 101 wrote: <quoted text>
You guys looked at trees - but didn't turn on her computer? I find that interesting. Yes I did look at trees. LE originally had possesion of the computer. They are the experts not me.I know nothing about computers.
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JWB
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cancel my last post Citigirl you are right and it is still that way. Vey difficult to see as tall grass cover it but it goes just shy of the yellow sign on the eastbound lane.
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mcsmom wrote: <quoted text>
Sharon said the snowbanks were head high on the eastbound side of the road. didn't look like it by the video anyway there isn't a ditch on the westbound lane that I am aware of.
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