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JWB wrote:

so MCSmom- When you are saying tuned into OPR are you thinking she lost control at the corner and then pulled up OPR and proceeded to back up past the blue ribbon tree?

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mcsmom wrote:

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According to Weeper, he is basing this assumption only if the car was placed at OPR.
I will say this: It's my own personal belief that the W's don't agree with each other when it comes to talking and giving interviews to the media.
But sometimes actions speak louder than words.

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mcsmom wrote:

Go to Advocates site, and search "Weepers posts from Topix"
And while I'm at it, I happen to agree with his possibility, it's just a matter of where you are referencing their house, i.e., front door, side of house etc, and it's relative proximity to OPR.
Wowzer, I'm beginning to wonder about you.
Maybe you should limit OPR references to strictly nail polish....

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Orko Kringer wrote:

WTH,
I agree about the posts, however, right at the westman's curb there is also a hill where the post is at. You don't see the hill on the google maps virtual video (everything looks flat) but that hill could've been what maura's car struck and also caught part of the pole as well.

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Maruchan wrote:

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I can't see your photo no matter how I plug it into Google, Orko, but here is a good photo of the weathered barn and three of the poles: http://www.yankeefoliage.com/cms/images/large... You can clearly see the little hill I think you are referring to in this photo. You can clearly see the posts, especially if you blow it up, and they appear to be steel.
Personally, I think that a combination of hitting the "hill," a two or three foot hard snowbank and one or more of those poles could have caused the damage to the Saturn.
In looking into those poles, I found that these are known as "delineator posts," and steel ones are being replaced in different parts of the country with "flexible delineator posts" because they bounce back after being hit by vehicles and are thought to last longer and cause less damage to vehicles. However, a report I read from several states said that they aren't feasible in areas with heavy snowfall.
"Three states cited multiple advantages in their use of FDPs instead of steel posts: FDPs are resilient to impact, not as damaging to vehicles (including motorcycles), and typically require less maintenance and provide a longer service life when placed in an area with frequent 'hits.' Three states also cited disadvantages in their use of FDPs: higher purchase cost as well as susceptibility to destruction by roadside mowers and plowed snow."
The posts in photos of the Westman's property look to me to be steel posts. Even if they have some give to them, a lot of that would be lost by those two or so feet of hard-packed snow around them - they would simply have nowhere to bend.
It was Dick Guy, one of the EMS crew, who said she clipped the curb on the northwest side of the street:
"'Everything about the scene of the accident was weird,' he says.'If she had just lost control of the car coming around that corner, she would have impacted the North side of the curve. She didn't. She clipped the corner. She sheered the snow bank clean off and continued on to the other side, where it turned the car around.'
Guy then drew a freehand map of what he saw that night, which is posted above, showing the sheered-off corner.
'To me, I'd say the car stalled and she was trying to regain control as she came to the turn.'"
There is a post-it note he drew on Renner's site showing the car's path: http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2011/08/how-a...
This WMUR video says it was taken on 2-9-04, but of course it couldn't have been: http://www.youtube.com/watch... The reporter says: "Kathleen Murray has spent the last three days searching for her sister," so that would make it February 12 or 13. Since everything I've read says it didn't snow after she disappeared when they were searching, the photos of the snowbanks in the area should be pretty much the same as the night of her disappearance. You can see the height of the snowbank, but you cannot see the corner where Guy says the snow was sheared off. You can also see what looks like snow either removed or sheared off on the side of the Westman's house, but from Guy's drawing, I don't think that is the area he is referring to in his statements.
I think this information is important in getting the facts straight, and possibly disproving other theories, like Weeper's OPR theory.
And if nothing else, now we all know what those poles are and what they are called, which may help with the cryptic messages left by the haters.:)

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Maruchan wrote:

Sorry, "haters" should have been in quotes. I'm enjoying the whole "haters" thing.:)

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Wowzer the real one wrote:

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I have to admit you're a sly one. I wasn't referring to weepers post. I was referring to what you yourself wrote about OPR being further down the road and not across from the W's house but I see you didn't paste that here.
I don't think you should be wasting time wondering about me. I think IMHO that you should be wondering more about why you haven't told the truth about several things concerning MM.
I refuse to argue with you so all I'll say is that this picture does not lie. Everyone can make up their own minds about it and believe or not if the scenerio you posted here would even be possible.

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Maruchan wrote:

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I've read this a million times now - the word "leisurely" is not in that statement, nor is it hinted at.
By the way, Citigirl, I've been wondering. You are very active in this forum and have been a great deal of the time since I started posting here in March or so. I'm really wondering what you get out of it? Do you expect to find some information posted here that will help this case? I just wondered, thanks.

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Maruchan wrote:

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I've read this a million times now - the word "leisurely" is not in that statement, nor is it hinted at.
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citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>No I dont expect to get any info from this forum. Iam stating what I have learned from talking with people and searching for Maura in NH. People have there own thoghts and opinions. Some have never been to NH or involved in the search for Maura and are building there thoughts and opinions as to what they think happened to her by reading a forum.Im only trying to help give correct info that I have learned. Its up to the poster as to what they do and dont want to believe.

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Maruchan wrote:

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I can't see your photo no matter how I plug it into Google, Orko, but here is a good photo of the weathered barn and three of the poles: http://www.yankeefoliage.com/cms/images/large... You can clearly see the little hill I think you are referring to in this photo. You can clearly see the posts, especially if you blow it up, and they appear to be steel.
Personally, I think that a combination of hitting the "hill," a two or three foot hard snowbank and one or more of those poles could have caused the damage to the Saturn.
In looking into those poles, I found that these are known as "delineator posts," and steel ones are being replaced in different parts of the country with "flexible delineator posts" because they bounce back after being hit by vehicles and are thought to last longer and cause less damage to vehicles. However, a report I read from several states said that they aren't feasible in areas with heavy snowfall.
"Three states cited multiple advantages in their use of FDPs instead of steel posts: FDPs are resilient to impact, not as damaging to vehicles (including motorcycles), and typically require less maintenance and provide a longer service life when placed in an area with frequent 'hits.' Three states also cited disadvantages in their use of FDPs: higher purchase cost as well as susceptibility to destruction by roadside mowers and plowed snow."
The posts in photos of the Westman's property look to me to be steel posts. Even if they have some give to them, a lot of that would be lost by those two or so feet of hard-packed snow around them - they would simply have nowhere to bend.
It was Dick Guy, one of the EMS crew, who said she clipped the curb on the northwest side of the street:
"'Everything about the scene of the accident was weird,' he says.'If she had just lost control of the car coming around that corner, she would have impacted the North side of the curve. She didn't. She clipped the corner. She sheered the snow bank clean off and continued on to the other side, where it turned the car around.'
Guy then drew a freehand map of what he saw that night, which is posted above, showing the sheered-off corner.
'To me, I'd say the car stalled and she was trying to regain control as she came to the turn.'"
There is a post-it note he drew on Renner's site showing the car's path: http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2011/08/how-a...
This WMUR video says it was taken on 2-9-04, but of course it couldn't have been: http://www.youtube.com/watch... The reporter says: "Kathleen Murray has spent the last three days searching for her sister," so that would make it February 12 or 13. Since everything I've read says it didn't snow after she disappeared when they were searching, the photos of the snowbanks in the area should be pretty much the same as the night of her disappearance. You can see the height of the snowbank, but you cannot see the corner where Guy says the snow was sheared off. You can also see what looks like snow either removed or sheared off on the side of the Westman's house, but from Guy's drawing, I don't think that is the area he is referring to in his statements.
I think this information is important in getting the facts straight, and possibly disproving other theories, like Weeper's OPR theory.
And if nothing else, now we all know what those poles are and what they are called, which may help with the cryptic messages left by the haters.:)