Maura Murray

Orko Kringer wrote:

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No, I have a few photos I obtained of her car.(I have no idea if the damages I can see were all related to her accident or what).
I have better equipment where I work to get into photos and play with them, but all of my maura murray stuff is at home and I have very basic photography technology to work with at home.
Even still, I have played around with the pictures some and am not sure I was getting anywhere.
I kick myself for not getting to her car when I was in the area.
Honestly, I just concluded that her car was long gone to some junkyard by now and wasn't still being held at the troop F command center.
Had I had an inkling that her car was still around, I would've been able to get some really good photos and details from her car that have never been seen.
But unfortunately, i don't make it to New Hampshire very often.

That's too bad Orko. I don't know much about photography. That's my daughters area of expertise. The quality of the Saturn photos I've seen online aren't that good. I'm guessing they'd be really hard to work with. Plus always better to work with you own photos. It's amazing how much technology has improved. I can understand not wanting to share (post) what you've done so far. Especially if you're not satisfied with the end product.

When looking at the online photos it seems to me the patterning appears to have a lot of straight lines. Makes me think of the corner of a crumbling cement curb or jagged rock ledges. Almost as if the vehicle's left corner did a nose dive onto whatever it hit. I'm just guessing. I honestly have no idea what it could have been.

Don't kick yourself too much...no way of knowing it was still there after all this time. But fall folliage sure is a nice time to visit NH & VT. The leaves are really starting to turn. Maybe you could squeeze in a visit.:)

BTW your Canon is on my daughter's xmas list along with a few other photography related items LOL.

oops, forgot to answer you, wowzer. The W"s said her car was closer to BHR. And it's been written here and there over time, lost in the sludge.

dll wrote:

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That's too bad Orko. I don't know much about photography. That's my daughters area of expertise. The quality of the Saturn photos I've seen online aren't that good. I'm guessing they'd be really hard to work with. Plus always better to work with you own photos. It's amazing how much technology has improved. I can understand not wanting to share (post) what you've done so far. Especially if you're not satisfied with the end product.
When looking at the online photos it seems to me the patterning appears to have a lot of straight lines. Makes me think of the corner of a crumbling cement curb or jagged rock ledges. Almost as if the vehicle's left corner did a nose dive onto whatever it hit. I'm just guessing. I honestly have no idea what it could have been.
Don't kick yourself too much...no way of knowing it was still there after all this time. But fall folliage sure is a nice time to visit NH & VT. The leaves are really starting to turn. Maybe you could squeeze in a visit.:)
BTW your Canon is on my daughter's xmas list along with a few other photography related items LOL.

Haha, thanks DLL

I got my 10D refurbished for a really great deal and while it's an oldie, I love it and don't have a lot of fancy other gadgets, but yet still do plenty of good work with it.

(In other words, I highly recommend your daughter get a camera of that quality, if you can still find it. It should be reasonably priced and well worth the money. It's a very durable camera as well.

By the way, did you check out that link I provided one page back?

there are some pretty good photos (someone else) took of Maura's car, both frontal and back views of the car.

People keep saying on this forum that she had damage to the back of her car, but I don't see it in these photos.(admit I haven't looked very hard either for damage in the back).
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Orko- you should actually be glad you didn't waste your time by going to see the Saturn.

Somehow The car has been damaged more while being held as evidence at the troop F barracks, rather extensively actually. Any evidentiary value the car once held has been Lost while being held as evidence.

I wonder if it's common for the NHSP to allow thing they're holding as evidence to be damaged. If they didn't damage it themselves is it common for them to allow people to come on their property and damage things they're holding as evidence?

The car has been smashed up way more while sitting there, how the hell does that happen? How does a vehicle being held as evidence get so much more damage sitting in one place?? I've read people theorize that it got damaged being towed around the lot but that doesn't make any sense to me; I've never seen a car get damaged while being towed. Shouldnt you be extra careful If your towing a car that's being held as evidence?

How could the NHSP allow that to happen? Something stinks about that; they're holding a car for evidence and in the process it gets smashed up further, completely ruining the evidence? Is that not sketchy??

Is it common for the NHSP to damage items they're holding for evidence in a potential murder case? Is maira's car the only piece of evidence they're holding that's been damaged? Why her car? If its important enough to hold as evidence shouldn't it be just as important to make sure the evidence isn't damaged??? Sketchy

Orko Kringer wrote:

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Haha, thanks DLL
I got my 10D refurbished for a really great deal and while it's an oldie, I love it and don't have a lot of fancy other gadgets, but yet still do plenty of good work with it.
(In other words, I highly recommend your daughter get a camera of that quality, if you can still find it. It should be reasonably priced and well worth the money. It's a very durable camera as well.
By the way, did you check out that link I provided one page back?
there are some pretty good photos (someone else) took of Maura's car, both frontal and back views of the car.
People keep saying on this forum that she had damage to the back of her car, but I don't see it in these photos.(admit I haven't looked very hard either for damage in the back).
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Hi Orko - I checked out your link again but didn't see any Saturn photos. Just the ones you took in 2011. I must not be looking in the right place. When I said the photos I'd seen weren't "good" I was referring to the pixel quality. Plus it seems like they've been copied & shared quite a bit which also degrades the image.
I mentioned the patterning because of something my daughter talks about with her photography & art. Narture being random & patterns being man made or contrived. It was actually Jenkin's question & mention of Bunga Rd that made me go back & look at the photos. I remembered seeing a cement retaining wall at the edge of the road and it had a rusted metal pipe with the top broken off. The two images (dent & cement wall w/broken pipe) kinda fit. To be clear, Absolutely not saying the Saturn went off the road there. So no rumors please. My thought was if there was a way to see the reverse indentaion on the Saturn it'd give a clearer picture of what it hit.
Oh yeah, thanks for the advise on the camera!

IMO, because no particular scenario seems to fit the mold exactly at the Weathered Barn scene, the car damaged pieces don't come together and accounts from witnesses don't add up, the accident report itself doesn't add up, Smith's confusion and statements are troubling to some, JKM, Atwoods inconsistent statements, the W's, M's, the cottage hospital witness, RF statements, the A-frame, the Bronco, H1, H2, the mystery phone call, the further damage to the car at F Troop, and on and on and on.

Who would benefit more from the confusion?

Maura?

Or someone who murdered her?

Who was most in control of the confusion?

sorry to ask this again as it has been talked about often:

Where was the person walking their dog 7ish ?

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I really find this boring, and see little reason to write about it, yet again. Another snipe hunt by Jenkins. The car exhibits damage done by contact with a solid vertical object. You can clearly see in some of the ORIGINAL pictures damage in a straight vertical line. This was not a "hard" hit. The officer on the scene had a diagram in his report showing tracks going into and reflected off of tree(s) shown. I find it hysterical, yet again, that this accident is the product of mysterious conversation mostly manipulated by the great snipe hunter, Jenkins. Oh and lets not forget shacks research into a sampling of one car. I have seen many of them, sometimes ripped off the car and still in one piece, many times with clear contact marks but still in the original shape with deformation behind the bumper. Oh, crap, was that a snipe that just went through? Quick, scurry, run, flee. Fascinating stuff.

Bill

Eight and three quarter yrs later. Bill still has an agenda. "BRAINWASHING"

Sigh wrote:

Eight and three quarter yrs later. Bill still has an agenda. "BRAINWASHING"

Yes I agree dam him for using his knowledge and logic. He should know better.

Shack wrote:

Geez....what happened to Maura..?

Wow. Clearly you haven't been paying attention. She crashed her car after drinking and then ran from the crash to parts and ends unknown. That is the best working theory with what we know. It might help if you actually read some of the posts if you are planning on participating in the discussion, not that I am encouraging that you participate. I remember too many of your other "participation's".

Bill

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

How could the NHSP allow that to happen? Something stinks about that; they're holding a car for evidence and in the process it gets smashed up further, completely ruining the evidence? Is that not sketchy??

What if MM has a series of suicide notes drafted on her PC? The car wouldn't really be part of the evidence at this point right?

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Yes I agree dam him for using his knowledge and logic. He should know better.

Uh oh. From the number of peanuts it looks like you are included with the haters. Odd that the haters seem to offer logic and reason. The non-haters, I guess, create story telling and a penchant for windmilling.

I'll go back to reading and hysterically laughing mode again, for at least a while. I need to be a little more discrete. People at work don't know why I am laughing so hard. They hear the laughter coming out of my office and want to know whats so funny? All I can usually get out when I can catch my breath are the words "Federal agent Jenkins".

Bill

mcsmom wrote:

Who would benefit more from the confusion?
Maura?
Or someone who murdered her?
Who was most in control of the confusion?

I think both parties would benefit from all the confusion. The "Foul Play" Theorists would be able to continue on their search for the mysterious murderer. It is the mysterious muderer who may, but most likely not exist preserves the Maura being the "All American Girl". Maura if she meets the fate of the mysterious murderer - The murderer kills Maura while on her way for a quick three day reprieve. Had she not been murdered she would have returned from NH with all of her problems solved and ready to start a new life.

I think if this mysterious murderer does not exist - Maura is a troubled girl, who is running away because of some problems that have happened in her life. She was probably drinking and driving while on probation. She crashes into a tree, snowbank, or anything else. She doesn't want to get in trouble and while fleeing from the scene she perishes from her own actions.

In my opinion the mysterious murderer is a much easier thing to want to believe. Maura will never be held into account for any of her actions because her life was cut short by someone else.

If she perishes in the woods because of her own actions the blame can only be focused on her. America is all about second chance and we would want to belive that MM would have been given one had it not been for the mysterious murderer. All this ofcourse is my opinion.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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What if MM has a series of suicide notes drafted on her PC? The car wouldn't really be part of the evidence at this point right?

Yes that's true lighthouse, but remember that it's the NHSP that says they are holding it as evidence, not me.

Even If they thought suicide and are holding the car just in case it's still inexcusable for the car to sustain that much more damage while in their custody. Is it common for the NHSP to damage things they're holding as evidence?

Obviously no one can be certain of this but it's highly doubtful that there were suicide notes on her computer, I'm pretty sure LE would've made the public aware of that at this point.
Think how much easier that would make their job if there were suicide notes. Then they would have a reasonable suspicion that suicide was what happened in this case and the public, me included, would believe that to be the case. No need for the literally thousands of hours of work they've put into this case, no need for thousands of pages of documents, criminal record searches, one party intercepts or anything like that.
If there were suicide notes found on her computer it would be perfectly reasonable for them to say they believe she committed suicide an just can't find her body.
If they actually believe she was a suicide this has to be the most well investigated suicide of all time.

The work they've put into this case indicates to me that they are truly investigating what they believe to be a crime. Considering what they said about her mapquest searches, and their implication early on that the printed email left on top of her stuff in her room was a suicide I would think they would've told the public about any suicide note that was found on her computer; what possible reason could there be to keep it secret? Remember that If they believe suicide is what happened there is no need for all the secrecy.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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I think both parties would benefit from all the confusion. The "Foul Play" Theorists would be able to continue on their search for the mysterious murderer. It is the mysterious muderer who may, but most likely not exist preserves the Maura being the "All American Girl". Maura if she meets the fate of the mysterious murderer - The murderer kills Maura while on her way for a quick three day reprieve. Had she not been murdered she would have returned from NH with all of her problems solved and ready to start a new life.
I think if this mysterious murderer does not exist - Maura is a troubled girl, who is running away because of some problems that have happened in her life. She was probably drinking and driving while on probation. She crashes into a tree, snowbank, or anything else. She doesn't want to get in trouble and while fleeing from the scene she perishes from her own actions.
In my opinion the mysterious murderer is a much easier thing to want to believe. Maura will never be held into account for any of her actions because her life was cut short by someone else.
If she perishes in the woods because of her own actions the blame can only be focused on her. America is all about second chance and we would want to belive that MM would have been given one had it not been for the mysterious murderer. All this ofcourse is my opinion.

IMO, if Maura was running away or perished in the woods she had lady luck on her side to help obfuscate her departure.

IMO if Maura was murdered the obfuscation was intentional, not born from the stroke of luck.

mcsmom wrote:

IMO, because no particular scenario seems to fit the mold exactly at the Weathered Barn scene, the car damaged pieces don't come together and accounts from witnesses don't add up, the accident report itself doesn't add up, Smith's confusion and statements are troubling to some, JKM, Atwoods inconsistent statements, the W's, M's, the cottage hospital witness, RF statements, the A-frame, the Bronco, H1, H2, the mystery phone call, the further damage to the car at F Troop, and on and on and on.
Who would benefit more from the confusion?
Maura?
Or someone who murdered her?
Who was most in control of the confusion?

Do you think the murderer orchestrated all of the above?

mcsmom wrote:

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IMO, if Maura was running away or perished in the woods she had lady luck on her side to help obfuscate her departure.
IMO if Maura was murdered the obfuscation was intentional, not born from the stroke of luck.

I think if you can lose a Lear jet in the less dense more southern part of NH and only find it by accident. Losing a person would be a piece of cake. It has happened many times, sometimes for decades and longer.

hater #2 - hates bullshit

amy researches wrote:

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Do you think the murderer orchestrated all of the above?

Yes, it was a highly professional hit, done because she learned very important government secrets while a sophomore at West Point. Sophomore year is when they let you in on all the important stuff, who killed Kennedy, Area 51 and the Masons secret handshake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Bill

mcsmom wrote:

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IMO, if Maura was running away or perished in the woods she had lady luck on her side to help obfuscate her departure.
IMO if Maura was murdered the obfuscation was intentional, not born from the stroke of luck.

She had lady luck on her side that she didn't hit and kill anyone while drinking and driving. I doubt you or citigirl or shack would be on this forum for years writing these posts had that snow bank been a person.

Good word "obfuscate" I had to look that up.