Maura Murray

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He is clueless so give it up.

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Maruchan wrote:

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If you look at the Quality Inn (now Comfort Inn) where he stayed on Google Maps/Street View, there is plenty of parking in the front. Then you have to drive through a covered main entrance that leads to another parking area. It seems to me that the tow truck driver would have dropped off the car in the area with the most room, and that he would be less likely to drive a towed car through one of those entrances. The hotel has interior entrance doors off a central hallway. There is no hotel parking on the west side of the first building, which makes it furthest from the front parking area. Therefore, depending on his room location, especially the further you get from the road and front parking area, he may very well have been unable to hear a tow truck. Add to that, as a New Englander, he may have learned to drown out things like snowplows constantly running in winter and would not have noticed a tow truck. Add in that he had a few drinks, and it isn't far-fetched that he never heard a thing.
Coordinates for the Quality/Comfort Inn: 42.347196,-72.572189
It was MM who made the phone calls in the early morning from Fred's cellphone. From the story Maura is Missing in the Whitman-Hanson Express:
"At 4:49 on Sunday morning a little while after the accident Maura called her boyfriend, Billy Rausch, on her father's cell phone. Billy consoled her over the phone, though he would later say he thought there was more than just the accident on Maura's mind."
She had a hallway to go into to make the call, or the reception area, or even possibly some conference rooms, that hotel has a few. She also could have gone outside, even if it was cold, so he wouldn't have heard the calls.
I have no idea if she had a key or not and can't find info on it right now.
After all that, I do believe that Fred probably has downplayed what happened after he found out about the car accident. He was probably really pissed off, and words may have been said that he deeply regrets. I just don't believe at all that he had anything to do with her disappearance.

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BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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Orky,
What is your reasoning in writing off goshen? Just because she was past it at that point?
What about the slack time in her trip? If she left at 4:00 that would've put her at the WB curve at approximately 6:45, it is a 2 hr 45 min drive according to google maps. I've done the drive, that's about right. That leaves 45 min of slack time in her trip. What was she doing for those extra 45 min?
Well I mapped it from Amherst to goshen to the WB curve and stopping in goshen would make the trip 43 minutes longer. That actually lines up perfectly. Not saying that's evidence of anything except that it was definitely possible for her to pick someone up or meet someone in goshen on her way up and get to the WB curve at the correct time, in fact that timing lines up just right.
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The fact is she spent NYE partying in goshen, NH. That could definitely be significant. I've yet to see anything saying it is not significant. Why are you so quick to write that off?
Why didn't she spend NYE with billy? Generally young people, and older as well, spend NYE with their significant other, that is if they're getting along. I understand that they lived far away fom each other but why wouldn't they want to spend NYE together if their relationship was so strong, like it was originally depicted as being?
So she didn't spend NYE with billy, she spent it in NH. Who else was at this party? Was it friends from her hometown? Umass? New friends? Does any of her family live in goshen?
Why did the family choose to keep this fact a secret? Did LE tell them to keep it close or did they decide to do that on their own? I remember back on the original MM forum, before it even became MMM, this was definitely asked and never answered. Was the family hiding that just because it indicated that she and billy's relationship wasn't nearly as strong as the family made it out to be?
It is very possible she met a guy at that party, that seems to happen a lot on NYE, it's also possible that's who she was going to see in NH. Sure looks like she brought drinks for two people and she certainly wasn't going to be able to pay for a condo with her $280, so I think it's hard to just write off the possibility she was meeting someone in NH.
Do you have a good reason for dismissing the goshen angle besides she had already drove past there? That doesn't seem like a very good reason to me, particularly when you consider that she could've easily drive to goshen and made it to the WB curve when she did

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Orko Kringer wrote:

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Also on your second question about the honeymoon it was Sharon Rausch who said maura was planning their honeymoon in the white mountains.

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Thats not accurate as to what happened. Just because the newspaper prints it doesn't mean its true.

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BobJenkins-OG wrote:

Idk, seems like there's a lot of things that Sharon said in regards to Maura and biilly's relationship that wasn't exactly accurate knowing what we know now.

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Can you provide a link to the quote please?

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just me wrote:

<quoted text>OH, come on citigirl. You've heard about the bottle just outside the saturn with the strong smell of alcohol. Back on the first forums Helena et el said there was a strawberry candy stick that maura was known to use as a straw. Unless i am truely mistaken.
No, I was pulled over by police after a bogus call from who knows who, if it's even true. police aren't giving that info up and the prosecuter works for my store, to punish bad checks. He could dismiss this at any point. in fact, I've helped that man find clothing in my store and am always helpful to customers. Like me or not, he has a job to do. that's why i'm stressed. it seems to be more about how harrassed I've been as the driver of a car (not mine), that had whiskey plates. Toxicology came back 0.016 which is absolutely nothing my lawyer said. i hadn't driven more that 200 feet when the officer blinded me.
I think it was tasteless for you to say what you did to me. i only shared it with everyone because maybe maura had to go give a sample of blood or urine, and that's why she took so long from the time she left the dorm party, to the end of it. the time she got back to the motel. Sheeze.

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Orko Kringer wrote:

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Jenky,
We are kind of going in two different directions with this one.
I don't think the goshen angle holds up because it would be natural for UMASS students to head to that area (not too far from campus) for any kind of party. I doubt it is much more than that.
What is known is that maura LOVED was OBSESSED with the White Mountains.
Yet no one seems to think that was her ultimate destination (which I find odd - even though she went missing in the white mountains.
They would quickly believe that maura was off to Canada to run a Curves.
Or they would think that maura and a secret lover just randomly picked a state to meet up in and start a new life.
Also on your second question about the honeymoon it was Sharon Rausch who said maura was planning their honeymoon in the white mountains.

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BobJenkins-OG wrote:

Orky-
What do you mean why they spin from Sharon? Whether she was killed or killed herself I think Sharon and the rest of the family were very concerned, probably a little too concerned, with mauras public image. They really tried hard to maintain her "all-american" image. The reason the family might have been so concerned about that could be because they think she was killed. That would mean they think she's dead, they were concerned about her legacy so to speak. They wanted her to be remembered as the good person that she was and how they thought about her, not remembered for the stupid mistakes that's she made before she went missing.
It's very possible they were so concerned about her image because they think she is dead
Something I don't understand about your argument orky is why would the family be so concerned and critical of the investigation if they really think that she killed herself. If they think she killed herself then how can they be pissed that they're not investigating for murder?
I don't see how anyone can logically think that the family thinks that she killed herself. This goes against pretty much everything they've ever said to the public and LE, and their actions. I don't see how anyone can say the family really thinks that she killed herself.

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BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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What do you mean no one think the white mts were her destination? Most people I'm aware of seem to think she was headed towards Bartlett like Fred says, I disagree and think she was going to lincoln but that doesn't matter, both in the white mountains.
I've said many times, not lately, that she could theoretically living right in NH and nobody knows it. It's possible she met a guy up there and he helped her start a new life in the mountains that she loved so much. Most people in Nh never even heard of Maura, let alone knowing what she looks like or to keep an eye out for her.
At this point, considering she didn't come back when her mom was dying, I think the chances is that being what happened are pretty low but it is possible.
LE must Have looked into the goshen angle, but clearly they're not sharing any findings with us.
It's just highly interesting that she was just partying up in NH a month before. It's very possible she was meeting someone she met at that party.
I think that the lack of communications with said person could be explained by Maura having a second phone, which is very possible and I think she did have a second phone. She would've known that billy received her bill every month in OK, even though Sharon was paying it in OH, which is really weird. Obviously he wanted it sent to him so he could look at who she called. If she was hanging out with someone else there's no way she would've called him from that phone, then billy would have the guys #.
Also, how did she call AAA after the Hadley crash? We know she left her phone at the party in the dorms. It was 3:30am, there's a couple houses kind of close to the crash but I can't see her going and knocking on their door at 330 in the morning. So how did she make that call? I've been trying to find the quote but have been unsuccsessful. I read a quote where it sounds like AAA was already called by the time the cop arrived. I made a post about it a while ago when I read it. To me it proved that she must have had another cell phone. That would make a lot of sense, no college age girl wants their phone bill to be looked at by their BF, even If they're not cheating. It's just weird, Idk any girls who would be cool with that. Also you could get a prepaid phone that worked great for like 40$ back then.

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citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>I was told there was a can found under the vehichle after it was towed with an odor of alcohol. There is no proof it was Mauras only assumtion. So when I made my posting I was not trying to be tastless with what I said. Only trying to make a point.Sorry if I offended you but hopefully you understand what Iam trying to say now.

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amy researches wrote:

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Somebody throws peanuts at me no matter what I post. I'm saving the peanuts for wowzer so she can feed her squirrels this winter. I'm up to about 947 so the squirrels should be nice and fat.:-)

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Orko Kringer wrote:

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Jenky,
we do see differently on this one.
if you have a loved one who is missing that is potentially suicidal and you don't come to terms with that, IMO, you would turn hard to the person's positive qualities to explain away and deny the fact that underneath, there may have been something very wrong in this person's life.
Conversely, If you have a loved one who goes missing and you are CERTAIN 100 percent that this person was abducted, IMO, the last thing to come to your mind would be spinning the person to the public in a strict postive way.
You want truth and nothing but it. You don't want to confuse anyone (investigators, media, searchers) because you know time is not on your side and you must find out what happened.
All the fluff stuff about protecting image would be out the window
if in order to do so (provide a certain image of someone).. you gave out mis-representing info about the missing person that not only builds up new walls from an investigative point and creates new suspicisions but it also creates confusion and creates more obstacles in the path of getting to the truth.
All of this is my opinion with the full understanding that there is no proper set of rules to follow if you have someone up and go missing on you.