Maura Murray

Just me--paris wrote:

Lighthouse, I'm thinking of the Todd Landry afidavit and the Londonderry ping. What do you make of that?

Just me - I would only be guessing on the two topics mentioned.

Just me--paris wrote:

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I realize the students/skiiers were dropped off at school, but they would need to continue on to get home. Some would be driving. Maura was in the area. Just thoughts. Yes, the pc sat in the closet, and I find that an unbelievable loss, if so.
If someone can help to express a better answer for Wowzer, I'd appreciate it. I can't recall exactly what was going on but aolot of old 'forumers", will.

I'll take a crack at it but I may be way off.

there was a local community college nearby where maura's wreck was and it had (from what's been reported) a lot of people leaving school at the end of class at around the same time maura's wreck took place.

maybe this is referring to the road traffic that would of come from school getting out and students heading home.

Just me--paris wrote:

Lighthouse, I'm thinking of the Todd Landry afidavit and the Londonderry ping. What do you make of that?

My two cents on those are that they are somewhat misleading.

Landry's affadaivt was released on Renner's blog. At face value, it looks like there was a new development because the affadaivt mentioned the londonderry ping and a possible phone call maura was having with someone in the afternoon she went missing (supports her meeting up with someone theory)

Problem was the affadavit is that its not in context with the present in which it was being re-examined by james.

At the time of the affidavit, investigators were trying to find out what the londonderry ping was all about.

They quickly found out (it was maura checking her phone messages and nothing else) and when they found out, all media reports began mentioning that maura's last known phone activity was her checking her phone for messages in the afternoon she went missing. Problem solved.

But if you were to stumble on that affadavit now and not understand that the questions have already been answered, you would think you have a new development in the case.

Also, I question the affidavit and think it was an error concerning londonderry.

There are two londonderry's one in vermont and one in New hampshire.

the affadavit mentions londonderry nh as where the ping came from off of maura's phone, but I couldn't help but notice that maura (if gone up I-91 North which is what most people believe she did) would've acutally been in range of londonderry vermont at the time she went to check her phone messages which was like 4:37 p.m. in the afternoon.

Upon viewing the source, and I can read it. If you want to trash my space with spam, you must have enough to go around. So have at it, i'm quitting.
not like anybody cares anyway. All my time here is in vein, I can see that now.

......couldn't help notice your post Orko. Thank you for that. I appreciate your opinion, and am glad that you took the time to respond.
Your post matters.

How do you access a computer that is password protected?

Orko,
must have forgotten to put in my 2 week notice, lol.
Before i go, I just wanted to say I was hoping someone would help make that "ping" story explainable, and you did. Thanks.

On another note, trying to get a "show of hands" , thoughts and opinions, for next year, "Climb for the Missing" For Maura. First Sunday in October, 2013.
Mt Mansfield, Stowe, VT.

mcsmom wrote:

How do you access a computer that is password protected?

safe mode, remote viewing, spy snatcher....on and on.
My Niece works with the vikings. She's book smart and undid my password protection...one of my first computers, I was locked out. Got EVERYTHING back.

http://flic.kr/ps/2m5Nn9

just me wrote:

<quoted text>safe mode, remote viewing, spy snatcher....on and on.
My Niece works with the vikings. She's book smart and undid my password protection...one of my first computers, I was locked out. Got EVERYTHING back.

That's beyond me....

just me wrote:

Orko,
must have forgotten to put in my 2 week notice, lol.
Before i go, I just wanted to say I was hoping someone would help make that "ping" story explainable, and you did. Thanks.

No problem. I may be wrong as well, but I doubt it.

I still use the same exact model and year (phone) that maura had.

And I know how it works, what causes it to ping to a cell phone tower etc....

I gather from what has been reported that maura had her cell phone purposefully turned off for most of her trip to new hampshire that monday she went missing.

In fact, she only briefly turned her phone on when she went to check her messages at 4:37 p.m.

Once she checked her messages, she immediately powered down the phone once again and it has never been turned back on.

Just me--paris wrote:

......couldn't help notice your post Orko. Thank you for that. I appreciate your opinion, and am glad that you took the time to respond.
Your post matters.

Thank You.

It is technically not factually proven.

But I stand behind what I have discovered and believe that the affidavit that James released on his blog was something that was part of a matter that was cleared up a long time ago.

No fault on Jame's part. I know where he got the affidavit.

Face value, it looks like it provides new insight when it really was just the basic tool law enforcement was using (in the early days) to begin collecting their info (which we mostly know about now)

Just me--paris wrote:

<quoted text>Whitewash said so at one point. I thought that maybe you had as well, but I must be mistaken. There was an outcry made that there were people coming home, herself included who tried to help in finding this missing driver. If you have saved any of the MM or MMM forums, you will find this.
I can't respond to everything you ask right now, but I will try to get on later, I'm running behind now.

Just me I remember there was talk about the Tech college in Woodsville letting out about that time and someone thought maybe some student might have gone home that way and saw something. I honestly don't remember anything about people coming home and stopping to help find her.
It was said that the fire dept had a meeting that night. I know there was a BOLO put out to them so they could look for the driver on the way to the accident.
No I didn't feel the need to save the old forums. The only thing I saved were certain things of interest by one of the posters.

mcsmom wrote:

How do you access a computer that is password protected?

Are you saying that her computer couldn't be looked at because it was password protected? After all the years of talking about it why wasn't this ever mentioned? We were told that her sister that had the computer knew nothing about computers. Just wondering.

mcsmom wrote:

On another note, trying to get a "show of hands" , thoughts and opinions, for next year, "Climb for the Missing" For Maura. First Sunday in October, 2013.
Mt Mansfield, Stowe, VT.

Are you inviting us?

Just me--paris wrote:

Upon viewing the source, and I can read it. If you want to trash my space with spam, you must have enough to go around. So have at it, i'm quitting.
not like anybody cares anyway. All my time here is in vein, I can see that now.

Some of us do care. Don't quit now. If it will help I'll take any "nuts" that you get. Between me, you and Amy my squirrels will be the size of a St.Bernard this winter.

Just me--paris wrote:

Upon viewing the source, and I can read it. If you want to trash my space with spam, you must have enough to go around. So have at it, i'm quitting.
not like anybody cares anyway. All my time here is in vein, I can see that now.

I don't know what source you are talking about, but I hope you don't quit.

Orko Kringer wrote:

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I'll take a crack at it but I may be way off.
there was a local community college nearby where maura's wreck was and it had (from what's been reported) a lot of people leaving school at the end of class at around the same time maura's wreck took place.
maybe this is referring to the road traffic that would of come from school getting out and students heading home.

You are correct. That's what I remember. It was thought that maybe one of the students driving home might have seen something

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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If you look at the phone records in the Early morning of the crash at UMASS:
There is a 11 minute call at 5:36AM
The next call is at 5:49AM. The newspaper says she called Billy at 4:49AM - which I do believe is accurate if you go by the time difference in OK. Billy would have no way of knowing if MM made another call at 5:36AM unless he looked at the phone records.
Immediately into the call with Billy another party calls the cell phone. We know its not Billy calling so who was the other party on the phone?
I think it was FM calling the insurance company to verify coverage and find out where to take the car and how to get a rental. There aren't any other calls long enough in the morning to be a call to an insurance agent. FM says he woke at 10:00AM and MM at 10:30AM the next call is at 11:30 AM for like 5-6 minutes.

I found this cell phone timing thing strange too, so I did a little digging.

I believe the phone call at 5:38:16 (not 5:36)was the call placed by MM to Billy, and that Billy looked at the wrong time on the bill. I say this as I believe the 5:49 call(s) were incoming, which I explain below. The 5:38:16 call lasted for 651 seconds, which is 10 minutes 51 seconds, which means it ended at 5:49:07.

The phone call at 5:49:16 was a routed call. The next call at 5:49:27 was an incoming call. I didn't understand what a routed call was exactly, so did some searching and came up with this explanation from testimony of the custodian of records for Sprint in a court case (unrelated to Maura Murray):

"Then Brazil asks for clarification on the incoming call at 8:49 a.m. She comments the chart states " 53 seconds" and below it is "48 seconds". Strohm says there are two entries--the first entry is a routed call and the second entry is the inbound call. The two entries account for one phone call. Strohm states this is known because the times overlap. He states there is an inbound aspect but because of the overlap it is essentially one inbound phone call, just two different durations. He says the more accurate duration is 53 seconds".

"Chernoff asks Strohm to explain a routed call ... This type of routing occurs when someone is in an area where they otherwise cannot find phone service. The bridge number helps complete the call by connecting them to the network so they may place the call. Thus, there is a routed and inbound aspect to what is one call. He adds that the customers would not realize that the call had been routed."

So I believe the two phone calls at 5:49 are really one call, which was an incoming call that came in 9 seconds after MM's call to Billy ended. The 5:49 call was routed from the Boston SID (4106) to the New York, NY SID (4162). If we go by the info in the first quote above, last sentence, it would appear that the times of 280 seconds (Boston) and 274 seconds (NY) overlap, and that the real length of the call is the higher number of 280 seconds (4 minutes 40 seconds), which includes the routing time.

I'm trying to figure out where the call originated, but at the moment my mind is a bit scrambled from trying to figure out all of the above. Perhaps after MM hung up from Billy, Fred's voicemail feature kicked in like mine does before she turned the phone off. Or maybe Billy called her back.

Anyway, my conclusion is that the only outgoing call in that half-hour timespan was to Billy, and only one call came in. No other calls were placed or received during that time period, and Fred did not make any calls until 11:38 Sunday morning.