Maura Murray

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jwb wrote:

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that is where the mis understanding comes in- My post was not directed towards anyone- it was a general statement that meant - hey lets stop posting and do somthing. I put your name in in hopes of a supply of posters and thats it!!! I would put them up or others that wanted to join.
Again here is a def of the phrase " put you money where your mouth is. "put your money where your mouth is
to do something rather than to just talk about it I finally realized that I should stop complaining about the people who run our town, put my money where my mouth is, and run for office."

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<quoted text>Your post was directed at me and Wowzer. You stated to me to put your money where your mouth is and help and then you stated to Wowzer are you in.

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Wowzer the real one wrote:

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I'm very sorry for your loss citigirl. I can't even imagine what you are going through.
People help because they want to, not because they expect to be thanked or patted on the back. You've stated several times that you and the family were thankful for everything that was done to help.

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I am not looking for a thank you at all. I haven't done anything but one stinking poster. I feel badly that Maura is missing and am desperately trying to help. I was not aware of Maura until way after she disappeared as I have said many times. I just can't imagine what the family has gone through, it breaks my heart.

Maruchan wrote:

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I found this cell phone timing thing strange too, so I did a little digging.

Anyway, my conclusion is that the only outgoing call in that half-hour timespan was to Billy, and only one call came in. No other calls were placed or received during that time period, and Fred did not make any calls until 11:38 Sunday morning.

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mcsmom wrote:

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Yes, this past Sunday it was around 32 degrees at the top, snowing and windy.

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just me wrote:

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Mcsmom, thanks for your answer, and BTW, I think was a pretty cool for you to do, and for Maura. Maybe that should make headlines in and of it'self, lol.
But what I meant was, do you think Maura could have walked/ran/hid/&been ok the night she went missing? I wondered because most accounts put the temp that night at 32 degrees.
I was thinking since you could handle it, and the time/effort it took to get down from the cold windy/snowy mountain....your opinion would rank highly for me. I still have hope too.

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Nice research. The first call did originate at 5:36:16AM and that call was just under eleven minutes ending around 5:47. If he spoke to MM at 5:49 EST he would have been the second call. If what you say is true about routed calls and he was the first phone call at 5:36AM as well as the second then she spoke to him for about 15 minutes. That's a long time to speak to someone that doesn't feel like talking. Billy always makes it seem like they didn't speak long. I'd imagine Billy would want answers as to why she is at her Dad's hotel room. Also MCS MOM says the walls are so thin - after speaking for 15 minutes it sounds like the whole Hotel would be woken up.
The call you make mention to at 11:38AM happens to be an incoming call. So FM never calls his insurance company before picking up his rental at 12:25PM? I find that highly unprobable. The first thing most owners would do after hearing about a crash would be to call their insurance company. Infact insurance companies make that mandatory - and FM was always worried about the coverage.
He could have called from the hotel phone, but if he did LE would have given those over along with the cellphone bills as per the FOI.
Do you find it odd that he tells LE that he didn't hear her come in? How did she get in? Not sure how many people with $4000 cash on them will pass out and leave a hotel door unlocked?
Do you find it odd that he woke up at 10:00 AM and she woke up at 10:30AM? Not sure if you have a daughter or not, but would you wait 1/2 hour to wake her up? If it wasn't planned for her to return I would think you would wake her up and ask her why she isn't in the dorm room? Maybe something bad happened and you would wake them immediately to find out.

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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Just a note. I have camped overnight in -25f more than once and below zero more times than I can remember. How you are dressed. How you control your sweating, and the amount you eat, drink (water) and any drug use (including alcohol) all determines how well you will fair in lower temperatures. If Maura ran, either down the road or into the woods. Doing so is no miracle. She was in good shape. Her being able to keep her body temperature up by running would keep her very safe in those temperatures. I have done it many times. She should have been dressed lightly when she was running to keep from sweating and soaking her clothes. Clothes that she would later need to stay warm when she stopped running. Whether she did this, is of course unknown. The alcohol that she almost certainly had on board, again, a big problem in the cold. As long as you can keep moving, which of course requires food and water. You can stay warm. When you stop, you need to add insulating layers. Also your body can't make heat without food and water. If the insulation you have on is soaked with water it becomes far less effective, depending on the material, those layers can be totally useless.
And citigirl, also very sorry to hear of your difficulties and suffering as of late.
Bill

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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I watched an ID show where a search party was looking for a body. They didn't find it, but a couple days later it was located because a raccon of all things took one the body parts and dragged it away from the rest of the body.(The body was cut up by the killer)

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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Probably spouting off about stuff that all the people here know.
Bill

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Bill - I think it is always good to review certain information so that it is constantly remembered. I found myself at first bouncing back and forth after each post - or new piece of "evidence" that was added.
Now If there is something new I think changes my mind I have to replay the whole story in my head and then see if the piece fits.
I don't think anyone has actually wrote a post on murder - and body disposal like you just did. I think your post puts it in perspective that it isn't easy to commit murder and get away with it.

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Nice research. The first call did originate at 5:36:16AM and that call was just under eleven minutes ending around 5:47. If he spoke to MM at 5:49 EST he would have been the second call. If what you say is true about routed calls and he was the first phone call at 5:36AM as well as the second then she spoke to him for about 15 minutes. That's a long time to speak to someone that doesn't feel like talking. Billy always makes it seem like they didn't speak long. I'd imagine Billy would want answers as to why she is at her Dad's hotel room. Also MCS MOM says the walls are so thin - after speaking for 15 minutes it sounds like the whole Hotel would be woken up.
The call you make mention to at 11:38AM happens to be an incoming call. So FM never calls his insurance company before picking up his rental at 12:25PM? I find that highly unprobable. The first thing most owners would do after hearing about a crash would be to call their insurance company. Infact insurance companies make that mandatory - and FM was always worried about the coverage.
He could have called from the hotel phone, but if he did LE would have given those over along with the cellphone bills as per the FOI.
Do you find it odd that he tells LE that he didn't hear her come in? How did she get in? Not sure how many people with $4000 cash on them will pass out and leave a hotel door unlocked?
Do you find it odd that he woke up at 10:00 AM and she woke up at 10:30AM? Not sure if you have a daughter or not, but would you wait 1/2 hour to wake her up? If it wasn't planned for her to return I would think you would wake her up and ask her why she isn't in the dorm room? Maybe something bad happened and you would wake them immediately to find out.

Maruchan wrote:

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Thanks for the compliment on the research.:)
I guess we'll just disagree on the time of the first call. I read it as 5:36, not 5:38.
The call at 11:38:07 is an outgoing call and lasts for 53 seconds, which means it ended at 11:39:00.
The next call is at 11:39:14 and is a routed/incoming call which, again using the formula I posted above, lasted 328 seconds, or 5 minutes 46 seconds. Fred's statement about that day says that, after MM woke up at 10:30, he went out and looked at his car, then: "Went to the office and asked who is open? Where is a Toyota place? Where can I get a car? She made some calls for me to rental places. I went to the room and found a couple of places that had free loaners. I wasn't sure I had insurance for her." He could have been using the hotel phone to make some calls, and none of the police agencies thought to get those records, just like it never occurred to them to follow up on the call to Linda Salamone. The 11:38 call could have been to his insurance carrier, where he left a message and they returned the call at 11:39, or the same scenario with North Amherst Motors/tow company, or a car rental place.
I still believe if MM made phone calls at that early hour, she would have gone into the lobby or one of the other available rooms, like the gym, to make them. Fred's statement said that she used the weight room at the Quality Inn earlier that day, so she knew where it was and could have gone there to make her call. I think Fred probably got two keys when he checked in or gave his to MM and got another one at the desk when he returned.
As far as Fred hearing her, I have known people in my life that couldn't be awakened with a bomb going off next to them. I spent 6 hours being loudly and violently sick in a bathroom next to two family members' bedroom and neither one heard me. Add in the alcohol consumed by Fred - he had Maura drive him back, which says to me she was the less impaired of the two - and it is very possible that he never heard a thing.
The very fact that Fred didn't wake up Maura tells me she probably was expected to stay the night there, or at least, it wasn't that unusual for her to have done such a thing.