Maura Murray

Simply Sarcasm wrote:

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Is it possible that someone at the party confronted Maura about her credit card fraud, and that's why she went to her Dad's hotel? You are right - it appears illogical to drive to her Dad's hotel, whilst she was at a party at her own dorm.
There had to be a reason.
One could reasonably presume that word was spreading about the dorm, regarding Maura's arrest for stealing the cc number of a fellow dorm resident. Perhaps 'beer balls' for lack of a better term, played a part in someone approaching Maura? I know that I'd flee to my nearest safe haven, were I to feel like my world was crumbling around me.
Imagine the mortification at staying in the dorm that night: Everyone KNOWING what you did.
I don't think this is an unreasonable scenario.

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citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>You are wrong Jenkins. Not all car places are open on Sundays in Ma. I went car shopping on a Sunday. Saw a vehicle I liked but the place was closed and had cards on each vehicle with a phone number to call. I called and heard back several days later after leaving a message. Then I had to set up a time to test drive the vehicle and have my mechanic check it out. I still shopped around to see if I could find something cheaper and better even though I wanted the vehicle from this lot.Buying a vehicle is a big investmant.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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Citi- I don't see exactly where I'm wrong, you Can drive off the lot the same day, that doesn't mean it's a good idea to do that but you can.
Are you saying they went car shoppin on a Sunday when all the places are closed? I always thought they went on saturday.
Yes it's not a good idea to buy a car in one day, I always say you should look around but Fred said to the public that they picked one out. Maybe he had already looked around some and knew it was a good deal it whatever.
Point is he said one thing to the public and a completely different to the cops, what that means, idk, but it could definitely mean something

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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I guess the real question is what benefit does she get for even wanting to go to sleep in her father's hotel room?

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findmaura wrote:

I live in ma.,it is theoretically possible to drive a car off a car lot the same day..BUT,to be legal on the road&insured your insurance agent must complete the registration paperwork&the buyer must present the document to the registry of motor vehicles..This ALL can be done by Fax at the larger car lots as they have onsite computer connections to the registry(in 2004 IDK)...I dont believe any of this could take place on a Sunday...You COULD drive the car home,the lot wouldnt stop you,but it would be driving a car illegally.

Maruchan wrote:

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This is not a verification that Fred had a single-bed room at the Quality Inn. This is hearsay. I have seen no evidence anywhere that Fred had a single-bed room. Hotels generally have one single queen/king rooms and two full/queen bed rooms. That is what the Comfort Inn, earlier the Quality Inn, has now. "Sources" "off the record" is not a verification of anything. If you have never heard of primary and secondary sources, you should Google it.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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Citi- I don't see exactly where I'm wrong, you Can drive off the lot the same day, that doesn't mean it's a good idea to do that but you can.
Are you saying they went car shoppin on a Sunday when all the places are closed? I always thought they went on saturday.
Yes it's not a good idea to buy a car in one day, I always say you should look around but Fred said to the public that they picked one out. Maybe he had already looked around some and knew it was a good deal it whatever.
Point is he said one thing to the public and a completely different to the cops, what that means, idk, but it could definitely mean something

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Bumping for Maura wrote:

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aftermath,
I pretty much concur with your writings there.
However, I´d be interested to hear your views as for what you believe happened to Maura while her likely friend/boyfriend driving the red truck failed to find her by her crashed car.
Thanks.

JWB wrote:

Maura didn't bring the saturn as a trade that day so maybe they were looking to go back on the next day if they found he right car. I would be curious to know if maura and her dad talked to the dealer about trading the saturn.

Right Track wrote:

I have never seen a motel room with a single bed. Only a rooming houses have single beds. Motels or hotels have a double bed, two double beds or a king with optional roll out or pullout sofa bed. A normal college kid living within hours of her parents is not interested in sharing a bed with her father in a motel room. It is highly suspicious behavior for Maura and her father to shack up in the same room.

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Right Track wrote:

I have never seen a motel room with a single bed. Only a rooming houses have single beds. Motels or hotels have a double bed, two double beds or a king with optional roll out or pullout sofa bed. A normal college kid living within hours of her parents is not interested in sharing a bed with her father in a motel room. It is highly suspicious behavior for Maura and her father to shack up in the same room.

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Orko Kringer wrote:

I'm just not easy with her coming back to his hotel after she had been drinking all night.
Fred took them to buy liquor and also went with maura to the ABC restaurant/pub.
I would think if my child was going to attend a late night party in her own dorm, then that is where she should be staying and not getting back out on the road in the middle of the night.
Also if it was a last minute decision by maura to go to her father's hotel, then how did she gain access to his room. Why would she need a key if neither one were expecting her to come later that evening?

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Maruchan - I apologize if I was rude to you in a previous post for you to come on strong towards me. I may have been wrong by saying James Renner confirmed it. For that I apologize I didn't want to mislead anyone.
You should also know that FM is one man coming into town renting a room. It is not unfair for people to assume that he was staying in a room with one bed. I am not introducing a conspiracy theory that needs to be proven.
I assuming if you had any evidence of him renting a two bedroom room you would have produced it already?
I'm sorry we crossed - I got nothing but love for you and don't want this to turn ugly. I'm not sure of your tone.

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Maruchan wrote:

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Thanks, Lighthouse. Your statement that I quoted about the two beds with a smiley felt like you were laughing at me and trying to prove me a fool. I appreciate your apology, and sorry I was rude to you.
No, I do not have any evidence that they didn't share a single-bed room. But I do find it sad that so many people instantly leap to the assumption that, if it was a single-bed room, then it absolutely means incest.
I have been disturbed all along by Renner's attempts to prove there was an inappropriate relationship between Fred and Maura. I am certain that this will be a highlight of his book. Look at the people who in the last couple of days have posted here that the possibility of them sharing a room for a few hours MUST mean there was something inappropriate going on. I am really disturbed by that. Sharing a room does NOT mean incest.
Consider the following. Around 2:30 a.m., Maura decides for whatever reason to return her Dad's car in the wee hours of the morning. On the way, she crashes his car. She reportedly has no cell phone with her. The car has to be towed somewhere, so she chooses her father's hotel where he is staying. That makes sense, right?
She goes with the tow truck driver. Now she is at her father's hotel with his smashed car in the parking lot. She has no car, no cell phone. It is February and it is cold outside. She has to go somewhere, she can't stay outside the rest of the night. She could possibly use the hotel phone to call a friend in her dorm to get out of bed, drive to the hotel, pick her up and bring her home. She could call a taxi. The first means she would possibly be waking somebody up, and the second means she needs money.
Or, she can go inside her father's hotel room and stay there.
Which would any reasonable person choose? What is so terrible about her staying in the room with her father, the man who raised her, the man who she went camping regularly with, where they would most likely share a tent? If she has never been molested by her father, what daughter would have a problem sleeping in his room, even his bed if it was an emergency, which it was?
If she abandoned the wrecked car at the hotel and got back to her dorm, then her father would wake up in the morning with no car, and she would have to tell her father that she smashed his car and left it for him to find, and do it over the phone.
Occam's razor again here - the simplest thing for Maura to have done after the accident was to spend the rest of the night in her father's room.
Of course, she wasn't in his room until sometime after the 5:49 telephone call. So she slept a total of 4 and a half hours in his room. Maybe there was an extra bed. Maybe she DID sleep in a chair, or on the ground. Maybe she curled up on the other side of his bed with an extra blanket. Or maybe, she slid under the blankets, because she had no reason to fear doing such a thing with her father. Maybe she trusted her father completely. Maybe, after all, they were just a close father and daughter, there was no history of incest, and she could sleep in his room and/or bed because she trusted him, and he was worthy of that trust.