Maura Murray

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Orko Kringer wrote:

I'm just not easy with her coming back to his hotel after she had been drinking all night.
Fred took them to buy liquor and also went with maura to the ABC restaurant/pub.
I would think if my child was going to attend a late night party in her own dorm, then that is where she should be staying and not getting back out on the road in the middle of the night.
Also if it was a last minute decision by maura to go to her father's hotel, then how did she gain access to his room. Why would she need a key if neither one were expecting her to come later that evening?

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citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>the party was not at Mauras dorm.

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Maruchan wrote:

. Sharing a room does NOT mean incest.

Occam's razor again here - the simplest thing for Maura to have done after the accident was to spend the rest of the night in her father's room.
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Orko Kringer wrote:

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Huh, that's odd considering she told her friend she was going upstairs to her room.
Maybe she was climbing to the top of Alfieri's dorm and leaping over to hers.

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Maruchan wrote:

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Thanks, Lighthouse. Your statement that I quoted about the two beds with a smiley felt like you were laughing at me and trying to prove me a fool. I appreciate your apology, and sorry I was rude to you.
No, I do not have any evidence that they didn't share a single-bed room. But I do find it sad that so many people instantly leap to the assumption that, if it was a single-bed room, then it absolutely means incest.
I have been disturbed all along by Renner's attempts to prove there was an inappropriate relationship between Fred and Maura. I am certain that this will be a highlight of his book. Look at the people who in the last couple of days have posted here that the possibility of them sharing a room for a few hours MUST mean there was something inappropriate going on. I am really disturbed by that. Sharing a room does NOT mean incest.
Consider the following. Around 2:30 a.m., Maura decides for whatever reason to return her Dad's car in the wee hours of the morning. On the way, she crashes his car. She reportedly has no cell phone with her. The car has to be towed somewhere, so she chooses her father's hotel where he is staying. That makes sense, right?
She goes with the tow truck driver. Now she is at her father's hotel with his smashed car in the parking lot. She has no car, no cell phone. It is February and it is cold outside. She has to go somewhere, she can't stay outside the rest of the night. She could possibly use the hotel phone to call a friend in her dorm to get out of bed, drive to the hotel, pick her up and bring her home. She could call a taxi. The first means she would possibly be waking somebody up, and the second means she needs money.
Or, she can go inside her father's hotel room and stay there.
Which would any reasonable person choose? What is so terrible about her staying in the room with her father, the man who raised her, the man who she went camping regularly with, where they would most likely share a tent? If she has never been molested by her father, what daughter would have a problem sleeping in his room, even his bed if it was an emergency, which it was?
If she abandoned the wrecked car at the hotel and got back to her dorm, then her father would wake up in the morning with no car, and she would have to tell her father that she smashed his car and left it for him to find, and do it over the phone.
Occam's razor again here - the simplest thing for Maura to have done after the accident was to spend the rest of the night in her father's room.
Of course, she wasn't in his room until sometime after the 5:49 telephone call. So she slept a total of 4 and a half hours in his room. Maybe there was an extra bed. Maybe she DID sleep in a chair, or on the ground. Maybe she curled up on the other side of his bed with an extra blanket. Or maybe, she slid under the blankets, because she had no reason to fear doing such a thing with her father. Maybe she trusted her father completely. Maybe, after all, they were just a close father and daughter, there was no history of incest, and she could sleep in his room and/or bed because she trusted him, and he was worthy of that trust.

Orko Kringer wrote:

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Huh, that's odd considering she told her friend she was going upstairs to her room.
Maybe she was climbing to the top of Alfieri's dorm and leaping over to hers.

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citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Hate to burst your bubble but it wasnt a room with one bed.

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citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Fred did sit down and meet with LE and was in contact with them from the beginning. I cant recall the date but he was assigned an advocate and was told to go through the advocate. The info about him not talking with LE for 2 years was written in a magazine article. This info was incorrect.

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Advocator wrote:

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Little confusing here ... the only conversation I recall in which we know Maura told someone she was going up to her room, was the conversation with her supervisor after the emotional breakdown on Thursday night. However, we've been talking about the dorm party held Saturday night/Sunday morn, so ...??

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James Renner wrote:

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Actually, this is coming from the detective and assistant DA who were in the room with Fred and his lawyers. Did Fred talk to police at various times in those two years? Sure. Did he ever submit to a formal interview where some tough and embarrassing questions were asked? Not for 2 years.
Personally, I'm also interested in what you make of those school photographs found inside an adult magazine at Fred's abandoned home in Weymouth? Is there a logical explanation for that I'm not seeing?

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findmaura wrote:

I live in ma.,it is theoretically possible to drive a car off a car lot the same day..BUT,to be legal on the road&insured your insurance agent must complete the registration paperwork&the buyer must present the document to the registry of motor vehicles..This ALL can be done by Fax at the larger car lots as they have onsite computer connections to the registry(in 2004 IDK)...I dont believe any of this could take place on a Sunday...You COULD drive the car home,the lot wouldnt stop you,but it would be driving a car illegally.

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Orko Kringer wrote:

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For the record, there is nothing at all that I have come across that would even begin to suggest that maura and her father had something more going on then a father-daughter relationship.
But to your point, maura was already heading for his hotel before she had her wreck. The wreck wasn't the reason she decided to go to her father's hotel.
I also have a hard time believing you can get into a (relatively) small hotel room and not wake someone up (either with you opening the door or with you moving around etc.. plus if he wasn't expecting her, someone opening his door at 4 in the morning might startle the bejesus out of someone.

Orko Kringer wrote:

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From the true crime book that included a chapter on maura murray.
"At 2:30 a.m., Maura left Sara's room, telling everyone she was going to go upstairs to her room, but instead she got in her dad's car and started driving back to his motel."
Also James Renner interviewd Maura's friend KM and KM stated that when the two left the party, maura went to her room and she (KM) was escorted out of the dorm by a guy because she did not live in the same dorm and needed someone to walk her to her dorm.

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BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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Are you really quoting that true crime book here? Those pages regarding Maura are full of inaccuracies, nobody should rely on that book for any useful information.
As far as I knew it has always been said that the party she attended was in a different building.

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James Renner wrote:

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Actually, this is coming from the detective and assistant DA who were in the room with Fred and his lawyers. Did Fred talk to police at various times in those two years? Sure. Did he ever submit to a formal interview where some tough and embarrassing questions were asked? Not for 2 years.
Personally, I'm also interested in what you make of those school photographs found inside an adult magazine at Fred's abandoned home in Weymouth? Is there a logical explanation for that I'm not seeing?

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BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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This isn't correct. You can definitely LEGALLY drive a car off a lot the same day in mass.
You transfer the registration/insurance to the new car. You put the plates from the old car on the new on an you must have the transfer of ownership paperwork with your registration in case you get pulled over.
At that point you have 7 days to legally drive the car until you can make it to the rmv to complete the new registration proccess.
You most certainly can legally drive a car off a lot in mass the same day you buy it, it's called a 7 day registration.
Now this is obviously based on the fact that the dealer would have to be open to buy the car in the first place lol....
Pretty much all car dealerships are open on Saturday til around 4-5, Saturday is the biggest day of the week to sell cars generally, that's because people are off work and have time to look at cars. Many dealerships are open on Sunday's as well, all the larger ones are. Sunday is more hit or miss but Saturday the dealers are open.
Hasn't it always been said they looked for cars on Saturday?? What would be the point of going car shopping when the dealers were closed?
Either way, freds whole story about lookin at cars makes no sense when you compare what he said to the public to what he said in his written statement to the umass cops

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citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>The registery in Ma is closed on weekends. So if you buy a car during the weekend you cannot register it until Monday when the registery is open. They are open Monday through Friday. When the vehicle has been insured and registered you have 7 days from that point on to have the vehicle inspected.

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BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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This isn't correct. You can definitely LEGALLY drive a car off a lot the same day in mass.
You transfer the registration/insurance to the new car. You put the plates from the old car on the new on an you must have the transfer of ownership paperwork with your registration in case you get pulled over.
At that point you have 7 days to legally drive the car until you can make it to the rmv to complete the new registration proccess.
You most certainly can legally drive a car off a lot in mass the same day you buy it, it's called a 7 day registration.
Now this is obviously based on the fact that the dealer would have to be open to buy the car in the first place lol....
Pretty much all car dealerships are open on Saturday til around 4-5, Saturday is the biggest day of the week to sell cars generally, that's because people are off work and have time to look at cars. Many dealerships are open on Sunday's as well, all the larger ones are. Sunday is more hit or miss but Saturday the dealers are open.
Hasn't it always been said they looked for cars on Saturday?? What would be the point of going car shopping when the dealers were closed?
Either way, freds whole story about lookin at cars makes no sense when you compare what he said to the public to what he said in his written statement to the umass cops