Maura Murray

paris wrote:

<quoted text>....to make it easier;
‘‘We've already had interest from people,'' said Kerri Doble Gingras of
Marshfield, a relative of Murray who developed the web site with her
husband.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search ...

Yes, thank you, even better: Gingras himself worked on the MMM website back in 2004, but supposedly didn´t lend his services to help get into MM computer?

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search...

The author prefers copyright to blog, so you'll need to go read it if you want. But use the cached url I'm posting so that he cannot see who is hitting his site.

Google roams through cyberspace taking "snapshots" of literally EVERYTHING. Even when ppl "think" they have deleted content for others to see, "snaphots" can be had by using the "cached" method.

Ok, back to reading all the new posts, yours included.

oh shoot, and DON'T click any link after that page or else you become new traffic to the author of that blog.

My gut feeling is that this person has a reason for being outlandish. He's either a PI himself, or really trying to connect dots. I don't like what I see, but I read it or watch it because "this person"sure seems to have his reasons. Then again, I am a hopeless optimist and I admit it. Not that it's a bad thing though.....my hunches have proved true many times.

So. I´m starting to believe Beagle may have been right in that LE were "all over" the Corolla on Monday. But would it have been before MM left Amherst or after she went missing? Could the Corolla have been suspected of involvement in the Vasi incident? I always wondered about FM driving to Amherst that Friday. Weather was bad enough for classes to be cancelled, so road conditions could not have been good.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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Why would LE be all over Fred's car on feb 9th??

I don't know, but why were people back on campus already concerned when they couldn't or didn't see Maura on the evening of the 9th? I don't know the whole story by heart, and once again would have to go through scores of records to find any quotes for you. So, Monday night, I'm saying her dormmates were worried and looking for her. Now, either she was not able to keep the wall of complete composure up, or there was some reason for concern.
Add to that what Kathleen had to say on the 13th and you might wonder too.
She said "she might be worried she's in trouble, but we just want her to know it's fine, we just want her back.

That person she returned the "scubs" to. It was a coat of sorts, but not scrubs. Maura had gone along with this fellow nursing student, as a passenger and they wound up having to spend the night wherever they were at the time. It was cold, there was a snowstorm and Maura simply borrowed something from the driver.
Just a thought. Might they have spoken that day about something? Was it just mannerisms or did Maura talk to the fellow nursing student about something.....something that led that person to sound some alarms. Heck if we'd know, but people were already worried, and with good reason.

By the way, they had driven somewhere for clinicals, and hadn't forseen the bad weather that made it impossible to drive home afterwards.

paris wrote:

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I don't know, but why were people back on campus already concerned when they couldn't or didn't see Maura on the evening of the 9th? I don't know the whole story by heart, and once again would have to go through scores of records to find any quotes for you. So, Monday night, I'm saying her dormmates were worried and looking for her. Now, either she was not able to keep the wall of complete composure up, or there was some reason for concern.
Add to that what Kathleen had to say on the 13th and you might wonder too.
She said "she might be worried she's in trouble, but we just want her to know it's fine, we just want her back.

I always wondered about that too. The friends being worried and looking for her before she went officially missing. Or did she go missing sooner than we think? When was the last verified sighting of MM again? By the police officer at the Corolla crash site? And, btw, who called the tow truck from what phone number, since MM didn´t have her cell phone?

hannah_b wrote:

So. I´m starting to believe Beagle may have been right in that LE were "all over" the Corolla on Monday. But would it have been before MM left Amherst or after she went missing? Could the Corolla have been suspected of involvement in the Vasi incident? I always wondered about FM driving to Amherst that Friday. Weather was bad enough for classes to be cancelled, so road conditions could not have been good.

Bad weather, bad driving conditions, cancelled classes, all true.
I'm starting to wonder more lately that Maura might not have been driving? Maybe a witness spoke up, someone,(maybe) flagged down to give AAA a call for them? But the reports are that it was just Maura, and that she was driving, right? So how fast could she call AAA/verses police coming upon the scene: when the story was that her own cell was not in her possession? Has it ever been looked into? the originator of that AAA call? What number was used?
Perhaps this is just standard procedure, for an insurance company to get all the facts in when someone else needs to be covered under anothers policy.
But then again,

paris wrote:

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The author prefers copyright to blog, so you'll need to go read it if you want. But use the cached url I'm posting so that he cannot see who is hitting his site.
Google roams through cyberspace taking "snapshots" of literally EVERYTHING. Even when ppl "think" they have deleted content for others to see, "snaphots" can be had by using the "cached" method.
Ok, back to reading all the new posts, yours included.

What's the matter? you've never heard such nonsense? Read this at the top of that page I've posted:

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hannah_b wrote:

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Yes, thank you, even better: Gingras himself worked on the MMM website back in 2004, but supposedly didn´t lend his services to help get into MM computer?

Excellent point hannah. Would campus police let the family take the computer the day they entered the room for "signs"? I imagine between Billy and Fred, one of them might start chomping at the bit to get their hands on her personal records. If the whole room was shipped to Hanson though, I can see the computer being lost in the clutter, and lost in the closet. But like you, I wonder why that point didn't peck away at people as they brainstormed.
My sisters things are still being gone through.....there was and still is so much of it from the storage locker.

paris wrote:

<quoted text>What's the matter? you've never heard such nonsense? Read this at the top of that page I've posted:
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Orko Kringer wrote:

And if you go back and read the DEVELOPING stories about the maura murray case from the days after maura went missing, several articles reference a witness (on scene of her wreck) as noting that maura appeared to have been drinking.
At the time, they did not mention the SBD by name, because it was a DEVELOPING story.
It wasn't misleading and it wasn't factually wrong to not mention the SBD, they (the media) at that point didn't have the particulars to identify the witness.
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These are all quotes pulled from the DEVELOPING story early on in the first days/weeks following the crash. There isn't one article that says there was a witness who thought she was drinking, they all say there was a witness who said she appeared INTOXICATED.
This isn't confusion because of a developing story as far as I can tell, this is the cops telling the media there was a witness who thought she appeared intoxicated when in fact no such witness ever existed.
Here are the quotes:

". Shaken by the accident, and apparently intoxicated, Murray told a witness she didn't need help, local police said. The witness went to call the police and by the time they arrived Murray was gone."

"Also out of character, family members said, were reports from witnesses that Murray appeared to be intoxicated just after the crash."

"According to police, Murray was not injured in the accident. However, she was reportedly impaired due to alcohol consumption when she was seen by her car after her accident."

" Unhurt, but appearing to be intoxicated, she refused help from a motorist who offered assistance and was gone when police reached her car about 10 minutes later, officials said."

"A witness, who told police Murray appeared intoxicated but uninjured, called authorities against Murray's wishes. "

""A witness at the New Hampshire crash site said she appeared to be impaired by alcohol. Police have not provided information to support that"

Then in the first article I can find that mentions the sbd by name it says this:
"Atwood said Murray didn't appear to be intoxicated, despite police having said a witness indicated she had appeared to be impaired due to alcohol."

It sure looks to me like the local cops made up a witness who said she was intoxicated.
I can't find one article where it says a witness thought she looked like she was drinking, every one says she appeared intoxicated. This sure doesn't look like confusion due to a developing story to me, it looks like the local cops wanted her to look like a stupid drunk college girl to me. As you said above, there's a big difference between drinking and being intoxictated. This does not look like confusion over the sbd saying she looked like she was drinking, this alleged "witness" said she appeared intoxicated and this was stated in mostl of the early news reports.
She was obviously drinking, at least one drink. But there is absolutely no legitimate witness statements that I can find that supports the theory that she was actually intoxicated.

That sure doesn't look like confusion because the story was developing, it looks like a witness was actually made up by the cops in the early days. It's really messed up if you think about it, that was just morally wrong for the cops to do. But judging by the fact that they also lied to the family when they arrived it seems pretty clear the HPD isn't exactly concerned about morals. You always gotta remember, laws and morals are two completely different things. It's really sad how they portrayed her in early news reports; that was something that originally got me so interested in this case. It pissed me off that they would characterize a sweetheart missing girl in such a light. I could just see the same thing happening to many of my friends if this happened to them.

paris wrote:

oh shoot, and DON'T click any link after that page or else you become new traffic to the author of that blog.

I've got to get to sleep. But wanted to remind people of the Olivia Newton John story. Her "long time boyfriend" had gone missing, and was hiding out in Mexico. They knew that Olivia was honest in that she was mourning, and didn't know if he was alive or not. By monitoring her site, and going to Mexico they were able to FIND HIM.(there had been so many hits from various locations in Mexico, that was their best lead)

paris wrote:

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I don't know, but why were people back on campus already concerned when they couldn't or didn't see Maura on the evening of the 9th? I don't know the whole story by heart, and once again would have to go through scores of records to find any quotes for you. So, Monday night, I'm saying her dormmates were worried and looking for her. Now, either she was not able to keep the wall of complete composure up, or there was some reason for concern.
Add to that what Kathleen had to say on the 13th and you might wonder too.
She said "she might be worried she's in trouble, but we just want her to know it's fine, we just want her back.

I don't understand.
your saying that People were already looking for Maura on the 9th? The day that she left?

Where did you hear that from?
I've been following this case since the beginning, was posting on the original MM site, before it even became MMM, and I've NEVER heard anything like that.
I've never heard anything about people being worried and looking for her before she even technically went missing.

Can you please provide some sort of quote or link or something that indicates this to be the case because it really doesn't make much sense to me and doesn't sound very believable. I'm not saying its not true or I don't believe you I'm just saying that with everything I know and have read about this case I've never heard anything even remotely resembling what your saying here.

As far as I know nobody was concerned about Maura on campus until after it came out in the media that she was missing.

As for what beagle said about the cops being all over the corolla I kind of have my doubts about that as well. I actually think I want to go talk to the guys down there myself and see what they have to say, before it's too late.
Honestly it makes no sense that they would be all over the corolla considering the fact that there was no investigation into the vasi hit and run. Imagine that, there's a hit and run right downtown and the cops don't even investigate it??? Oh but yu can be damn sure if there was a big party that night off campus the cops would've been all over that, or If there's some kid selling weed in town they'll investigate the shit out of that; but a hit and run? Nope, don't worry about it.

The only reason I can see them looking at the corolla is if the next day after the crash the officer thought about it and thought the accident may have seemed staged. I've driven that intersection literally hundreds of times and you REALLY need to be not paying attention to miss the fact that the road ends and theres big signs telling you that. I could see maybe LE thinking "what if that girl hit him and then she crashed the guardrail tryin to cover up the damage"
I can kind of see that happening, but Amherst didn't even do an investigation and the accident actually happened in Hadley.

Idk. This, like a lot of things beagle has said, just doesn't add up. It's weird, beagle has clearly said some interesting things and a lot of things that are true, but many many of the things he's said just make absolutely no logical sense.

Why would his yard get trashed because he talked to north Amherst? Why would his yard get trashed after asking umass cops about parking?? Why would his yard get trashed after being questioned as to whether he killed Maura by the PI? Remember, he's said all three of these things on separate occasions.
How would he know that neighborhood hasn't seen any vandalism in 20 years? I find that hard to believ, every neighborhood gets some vandalism every once in a while.

The real question is who in his neighborhood did he piss off to make them want to trash his lawnmower? Is he actually crazy enough to trash it himself just to claim someone else did it and then cry about it? Probably, I'd bet that lawnmower didn't even work. Notice there's a picture of that but no pics of any damage to his house or anything valuable. The whole story is most likely just bullshit, a fantasy made up in some weirdo's delusional mind. It's really sad if you think about it.

I can't, and never could, get into the intrigue of before Maura entered NH.

The five dwellings within sight of her accident are more interesting. The "silent witness, peeling orange" and SBD and W.stmns. Then there is trailer which was sold. Coming up on nine years...?

I agree with you for the most part shack, I truly believe that the answer lies in Nh.
Only thing is that if your really looking into this case then it's a major disservice to not consider umass. It is very possible that someone from umass is responsible, it's also possible that Fred is too. If you go by the numbers it's way more likely Fred killed her than a stranger in NH, or maybe a bf we don't know about.

But it does seem that whatever happened to her happened once she entered NH.

If you read what was said in the court case, and then fill in the blanks with what weeper said on the forums, he was an NHSP detective for many years, it is pretty clear that se was most likely killed by someone local.
It's sad to say but Maura was most likely murdered. It's pretty clear the professional investigators working this case believe she was murdered and have a good idea of who is responsible, but without her body can't make a prosecution.
Weepr(frank Kelly) says that in his two years investigating the case all evidence points to within a few miles of the accident scene. He is a very experienced investigator who has spoken in record about the case. Fill in the blanks of the court case with what he's said and the picture becomes pretty clear.

That being said, it is still wrong to ignore Amherst. It is very possible the answer to what happened to her is in Amherst. Ignoring Amherst is doing a serious disservice to Maura.