Maura Murray

Hey Bill- I know you get a hard one when you see how many people are looking in on Topix, but nobody is posting because they are turned off by what you are saying. You might be better to read more and post less.
ALERT !!! This forum is not about Bill

jwb wrote:

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Maybe we should change this forum to: "I am so bored after 9 years that I am ready to piss on the next person that posts".It seems to me that this has become a forum for verbal abuse on others. Maybe it is time to call it a day? just saying, This forum has gone to crap and there are less than 6 posting now because of it.
More posters care about pissing on others than the missing girl

They way I see it bro, is that people, like myself, see the ID show & some like to learn or offer help or speculate.. There are so Little KNOWN facts about this case, that when people start talking, its been said.. Once they learn that, you are then in the middle of people saying this & that.. I feel sad for her family but there is nothing I know to do.. & I know that its nowhere near as bad as what people are still saying about that Amanda Todd girl.. The only places up north Ive even been to, besides Elm City, were towns I just seen through the DOC Transport, Waterbury & Meriden (not counting NY)... I really cant catch on to the different terms used from southern language to northern language..

I would love to read some good news devolping in this case, but its the same story lines from the start of this thread..

Anything I want to say has been said or wouldnt work up yonder like down here.. For instance; Body Buried.. Well everyone says the ponds & ground are frozen up yonder that time of year.. I've never seen stuff like that.. What kind of theory can I offer up that would fit here but none fit for yalls weather?

jwb wrote:

Hey Bill- I know you get a hard one when you see how many people are looking in on Topix, but nobody is posting because they are turned off by what you are saying. You might be better to read more and post less.
ALERT !!! This forum is not about Bill

With that being said, family believes that Maura is dead and they are not interested in help to put out flyers etc.. so why bother wasting your time? Oh I know yea entertainment.

Emmett Dove wrote:

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They way I see it bro, is that people, like myself, see the ID show & some like to learn or offer help or speculate.. There are so Little KNOWN facts about this case, that when people start talking, its been said.. Once they learn that, you are then in the middle of people saying this & that.. I feel sad for her family but there is nothing I know to do.. & I know that its nowhere near as bad as what people are still saying about that Amanda Todd girl.. The only places up north Ive even been to, besides Elm City, were towns I just seen through the DOC Transport, Waterbury & Meriden (not counting NY)... I really cant catch on to the different terms used from southern language to northern language..
I would love to read some good news devolping in this case, but its the same story lines from the start of this thread..
Anything I want to say has been said or wouldnt work up yonder like down here.. For instance; Body Buried.. Well everyone says the ponds & ground are frozen up yonder that time of year.. I've never seen stuff like that.. What kind of theory can I offer up that would fit here but none fit for yalls weather?

Emmett, New England has people that are very entrenched here and set in their ways etc. I have lived in the south myself and I found that there just wasn't the bond that people here have though the people are very friendly . New England really is not a transient area like the south is.

Emmett- do you find the verbal attacking on posters anything helpful? I understand disagreements but I think this forum has gone past that because there are no new facts to the case.

jwb wrote:

Hey Bill- I know you get a hard one when you see how many people are looking in on Topix, but nobody is posting because they are turned off by what you are saying. You might be better to read more and post less.
ALERT !!! This forum is not about Bill

Hey JWB, seriously? You think I'm the problem? I'm probably the reason the police aren't able to figure this case out also, right? Damn. I am sure that information is devastating to the three people who keep coming back here. That would really be a shame if people would be scared away by the truth. I suspect that it is more likely that most with any common sense realizes that until something breaks in this case, it isn't going to be solved. It certainly isn't going to be solved by a group of underachieving couch potatoes on this forum. But like I have said before, you are allowed to waste your time in any way you see fit. Enjoy.

Bill

jwb wrote:

Emmett- do you find the verbal attacking on posters anything helpful? I understand disagreements but I think this forum has gone past that because there are no new facts to the case.

I dont think violence is ever the answer, but I will say that I read this whole thread & it seems that most people seem to have their own unique way about posting & a lot of them, myself included, ran their mouth for no apparent reason other than aruging or trying to prove a worthless point.. I cant pull Rank on anyone here, its an internet message board & certain people have said certain things that have not helped at all, especially to locals, that will probably never be repaired.. New evidence would bring different stuff but way to hard to say because you never know what the evidence would be :(

You say there is no bond here like up there.. I disagree, but im not going to argue about it.. Im from a small town & we protect our own.. Im sure that transpires everywhere across small towns in the US, no matter E-W-N-S...

jwb wrote:

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Maybe we should change this forum to: "I am so bored after 9 years that I am ready to piss on the next person that posts".It seems to me that this has become a forum for verbal abuse on others. Maybe it is time to call it a day? just saying, This forum has gone to crap and there are less than 6 posting now because of it.
More posters care about pissing on others than the missing girl

jwb wrote:

Hey Bill- I know you get a hard one when you see how many people are looking in on Topix, but nobody is posting because they are turned off by what you are saying. You might be better to read more and post less.
ALERT !!! This forum is not about Bill

Pot, kettle. You do your fair share of "pissing on others" here. I don't think any of us have forgotten how hard you have tried to out other posters on this board.

Actually, I am not posting because the board is again being dominated by Jenkins' multiple, repetitive, loooooooong posts, that are all rehashes of posts he wrote one month ago, two months ago, three months ago ... it never ends. Then posters have to waste their time, again and again, correcting the non-factual stuff he claims are facts. It's tiring, it's distracting, and it's annoying to have to constantly go through this. I think I'm not alone in feeling this way.

By the way, your two bouts of completely spamming the board a week or so ago didn't help either. You thought this thread was your own, and completely took it over. I would recommend you think twice before PWI again.

ALERT! This forum is not about you, jwb.

jwb wrote:

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With that being said, family believes that Maura is dead and they are not interested in help to put out flyers etc.. so why bother wasting your time? Oh I know yea entertainment.

Why are you talking to yourself?

WTH-the-original wrote:

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I suspect that it is more likely that most with any common sense realizes that until something breaks in this case, it isn't going to be solved.

That would be the correct answer & point I rambled about... But, sometimes Common Sense isnt too Common..

jwb wrote:

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With that being said, family believes that Maura is dead and they are not interested in help to put out flyers etc.. so why bother wasting your time? Oh I know yea entertainment.

Who said family is not interested in help to put out flyers etc?

jwb wrote:

Emmett- do you find the verbal attacking on posters anything helpful? I understand disagreements but I think this forum has gone past that because there are no new facts to the case.

Jwb let me ask you a question if I may. If you are talking to a group of strangers and one of them is saying things that you know aren't true or at least most likely not true but are being stated as facts would you sit there and not say anything and let all the other people believe the things being said by this person or would you speak up so people are not being misled? Do you think it's verbally attacking someone by trying to keep the truth from being mixed with the BS?
I'm not saying that people are purposely lying but I believe it's about the same when someone states their personal ideas and theories and wants everyone to believe they are actual facts.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

***Bob wrote: Sober people definetely leave there cars after crashes in NH. People slide off the road all the time in the winter time and most of the time they don't wait for the cops, that is a fact.***
Most of the time they don't have to wait for the cops because if you wait just a few minutes someone will come along and either push or pull you out.
***Bob wrote: I'm sorry but someone who is so scared of the cops that they're about to walk miles into the woods to their death just to avoid them is not gong to just be sitting at their car for 10 minutes, not gonna happen. For all we know she was sitting there waiting for the cops and after 10-15 min she decided they probably weren't coming and decided to hoof it.***
Do you really believe that? Really? Who said she was sitting in her car for a few minutes with the door open and smoking or using her cell?
If she was sitting there waiting for the cops and they didn't come fast enough then why didn't she want the SBD to call the police and why didn't she hoof it back to the store she just passed or any of the 5 houses in plain site? If she wanted help she didn't have to go far to get it.
She may not have been drunk but the evidence at the scene (wine box in back with red liquid splashed in car etc) certainly looked like there was alcohol involved especially with the driver gone.
***Bob wrote: If she was so worried about the cops why didn't she just grab her stuff and go?***
Isn't that just what she did?

No, I don't believe she was specificallt waiting for the cops or particularly wanted them there, obviously. Thats not what I was saying. I was just saying for all we know she COULD have been, that doesn't mean that she was.

And she was sitting there for a few minutes with the door open, One of the witnesses definitely said that. You don't remember the westmans disagreement over whether it was a cell phone or a cigarette and a man or a woman?. FW said she thought she saw a man smoking a cig, TW said he thought It was the light from a cell phone. They DEFINITELY said for a few minutes.

So No, she didn't just grab her stuff and go, quite the contrary. She could've grabbed her stuff and left the car in under 30 seconds flat, but she did not do that. She was seen walking around the car surveying the damage, she was seen sitting in her car for a few minutes with her door open trying to get a cell signal. Then she also went back and forth between the car and the trunk getting her stuff together.

She had to have been with the car for at least 5 minutes but it actually was probably more like 10-15 min. Think about it. It took smith 19 minutes to respond to the call. Witnesses place her at the car just 2-3 minutes before LE arrived. Let's be generous and say it was 5 minutes. That would mean she was there for 14min after FW made the first 911 call. FW said the sbd came along a few minutes after she made the call and was only on scene for a few minutes. So that means she had to be on scene for AT LEAST 5 minutes after the sbd left and talking about calling the cops, it was probably more like 8-10 min.

She could've just grabbed her stuff and left, she could've don't that in 30 seconds, but she did NOT do that. She sat there and tried to get a cell signal. When she realized that wasn't gonna happen she got her stuff together and started walking, most likely planing in catching a ride which is probably exactly what she did.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Bob, you again, really have no clue of what you are speaking. Half the state of CT is forest. Meaning that if you don't live in Hartford, or Bridgeport or New Haven, and especially if you live in many of the rural parts of the state like I do. You can spend a lot of time waiting for a response, particularly from police, particularly if conditions are bad. Many towns, such as mine have no police at all and use the State police for their police response. And the state of CT requires you to wait at your vehicle if you have an accident over a certain amount of property damage or ANY personal injury.
I should also mention Jenkins that there has been more than one request that you produce a Cliff notes version of your posts. Some people work for a living and they just can't wade through all of the writing that you do.
Bill

No your right about that, a lot of CT is rural and not like southern CT where there's a cop always near by. Obviously there are rural areas in CT and towns with few cops but overall there are much more cops per square mile than in NH. A state cop in NH Is responsible for a much larger area than a cop in CT.
I'm from CT originally, I grew up there. It's a much different culture than NH. Down CT there's a lot more of this nanny state type mentally where people feel the cops need to be there for even the most minor fender bender, it's wicked annoying actually.
People in NH are much more independent than people in CT, in general. An accident in Ct where the driver would sit there and wait for a cop a person in NH is way more likely to leave their car and catch a ride back to town. That's just the way it is. There's no need to wait for a cop, a private citizen can call a tow truck just as well as a cop can.
I think most states require the driver to stay with their vehicle if there is property damage, NH does. But in this case there was no property damaged and no injuries. So she was under no legal requirement to stay with her vehicle. She probably should have, but she didn't.
I'm sure she figured it would be really easy for her to hitch a ride, which it would be. She, like many people on this site, probably figured that with all of crap going on in her life what are the chances she's gonna get abducted. Unfortunately this is precisely the time when many people do get abducted. They have a bunch of things going on in their lives and they let their guard down, they're not really thinking about their personal safety the way they might be normally.

What I think about in this case is all the times I heard in my life someone telling a girl who was planning on driving somewhere far out on the back roads "your gonna get yourself killed"; or something to that effect. In college in NH and VT I heard these words many times. I'm sure everyone reading this forum has heard those exact words at one point or another. Obviously the chances of a girl getting abducted after a car crash see extremely low, but it happens far too often. Just like people win the lottery all the time, even though the chances are extremely low. I wonder what's more likely, a girl gettin abducted on a dark back road at night after a car crash, or winning powerball. I'd bet Maura had better chances of being abducted than winning powerball, but that's obviously just a guess

Wowzer the real one wrote:

***Bob wrote: Sober people definetely leave there cars after crashes in NH. People slide off the road all the time in the winter time and most of the time they don't wait for the cops, that is a fact.***
Most of the time they don't have to wait for the cops because if you wait just a few minutes someone will come along and either push or pull you out.
***Bob wrote: I'm sorry but someone who is so scared of the cops that they're about to walk miles into the woods to their death just to avoid them is not gong to just be sitting at their car for 10 minutes, not gonna happen. For all we know she was sitting there waiting for the cops and after 10-15 min she decided they probably weren't coming and decided to hoof it.***
Do you really believe that? Really? Who said she was sitting in her car for a few minutes with the door open and smoking or using her cell?
If she was sitting there waiting for the cops and they didn't come fast enough then why didn't she want the SBD to call the police and why didn't she hoof it back to the store she just passed or any of the 5 houses in plain site? If she wanted help she didn't have to go far to get it.
She may not have been drunk but the evidence at the scene (wine box in back with red liquid splashed in car etc) certainly looked like there was alcohol involved especially with the driver gone.
***Bob wrote: If she was so worried about the cops why didn't she just grab her stuff and go?***
Isn't that just what she did?

WTH-the-original wrote:

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What? Bob isn't correct? Shocking. I know I am struggling to believe it. 8-)
Bill

Let's go through wowzers post real quick.

-yes usuallly someone will come along and push or pull them out; OR if their car can't drive that person will give them a ride back to town instead of pulling them out. We are talkin about a car that isn't drivable here but either way sober people leave their cars after accidents all the time in NH.

-second point I already made a post about. She probably wasn't waiting for the cops but for all we know she could have been. As I showed above she had to have been on scene for at least 5 minutes after sbd left, probably more like 10. I do agree it is unlikely she was waitin for the cops, but just because she didn't go to a house doesn't mean shit. She's a young girl who's reported to have been very shy, she probably felt wicked uncomfortable walking up and knocking on someone's door at night like that, and apparently she was scared of the sbd so she wasn't going to his house. I agree that it's unlikely she was waitin for the cops and I said that in my original post, so no I don't really believe that, obviously..

-the westmans definitely said someone was sitting in the car, with the door open for A few minutes either smoking or tryin to get a c ell signal.

-yes she had alcohol, but it's pretty clear from witness statements that she wasn't intoxicated. I don't see the point of what you wrote there and it certainly doesn't show that I'm wrong.

-"isn't that exactly what she did" No, that is NOT exactly what she did. She could've done that in 30 seconds, but she didnt. She was on scene for an easy 5-10 min Trying to use her phone and getting her stuff together.

You guys are ridiculous, if anyone is wrong right here it is clearly wowzer. The westmans definitely reported someone sitting in the vehicle for a few minutes trying to use their phone.
She didn't just grab her stuff and go, she was on scene for an easy 5 minutes after sbd left, probably more like 10. She was at the car for st least 14 minutes total.
I'm sorry but someone who is so scared of the cops they're about to walk miles into the woods TO THEIR DEATH to avoid them is not going to stay on the scene for 14 minutes!
Completely ridiculous

Emmett Dove wrote:

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They way I see it bro, is that people, like myself, see the ID show & some like to learn or offer help or speculate.. There are so Little KNOWN facts about this case, that when people start talking, its been said.. Once they learn that, you are then in the middle of people saying this & that.. I feel sad for her family but there is nothing I know to do.. & I know that its nowhere near as bad as what people are still saying about that Amanda Todd girl.. The only places up north Ive even been to, besides Elm City, were towns I just seen through the DOC Transport, Waterbury & Meriden (not counting NY)... I really cant catch on to the different terms used from southern language to northern language..
I would love to read some good news devolping in this case, but its the same story lines from the start of this thread..
Anything I want to say has been said or wouldnt work up yonder like down here.. For instance; Body Buried.. Well everyone says the ponds & ground are frozen up yonder that time of year.. I've never seen stuff like that.. What kind of theory can I offer up that would fit here but none fit for yalls weather?

Hey Emmett, couple q's for you. did you live in new haven CT? That's the only city called elm city I'm aware of.
Did you get sent prison in CT? You said you've seen Wtby and Meriden through a DOC transport, that must mean you were in prison in CT right?

If those are personal q's and you don't want to answer I understand and if you were in jail I'm not asking what you did I'm just really curious after that post.
I gotta say Emmett, your a very interesting individual.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Jwb let me ask you a question if I may. If you are talking to a group of strangers and one of them is saying things that you know aren't true or at least most likely not true but are being stated as facts would you sit there and not say anything and let all the other people believe the things being said by this person or would you speak up so people are not being misled? Do you think it's verbally attacking someone by trying to keep the truth from being mixed with the BS?
I'm not saying that people are purposely lying but I believe it's about the same when someone states their personal ideas and theories and wants everyone to believe they are actual facts.

This is actually why I started posting again last feb.; because the thread had been taken over by the bullshit being spewed by you, bill, fakeLE and a select few others.
Everything you guys say is completely based on faulty assumptions that you constantly state as facts. Alll of you guys theories are completely 100% based on the ASSUMPTION that she was drunk and running from the cops. You guys got to the point where you now state this as if it is a fact all the time. It is clearly an assumption and it doesn't fit with any evidence or witness statement.
You guys state faulty assumptions as fact all the while criticizing and jumping down people's throats for stating assumptions as fact. You guys are some of the biggest hypocrites I've ever seen, it's completely insane. And you guys literally stick up for women beaters, liars, scumbag cops and criminals, it's sickening.

And for the life of me I can't figure out why you guys care, seriously, why do you guys care if some people discuss theories about this case on here? You openly admit you don't care about Maura so why do you care? Bill says entertainment...so a forum about a missing girl who probably got murdered is entertainment huh? If this is what he considers entertainment then one thing is absolutely certain: bill is a straight up fucking weirdo. Seriously weird dude who is borderline delusional. And it's pretty sad that he feels the need to try to make fun of people online. I'm sorry but anyone who makes fun of someone else is seriously insecure, this is a known fact. Anyone who feels the need to try to make fun of people online must be seriously seriously insecure. Ever notice how much he tries to brag? That's another definite indicator of insecurity; people that are secure in themselves don't feel the need to brag, because they get satisfaction from actually doing what they do; there's no need to brag. Bill is a seriously weird dude and clearly extremely insecure.

These people are tryin to end this and all conversations about MM, unless it's about how she killed herself, got lost in the woods or how drunk and stupid she was. The question is why?? Why the hell do these people care?? It's really really weird.

You people are the reason I started posting again straight up. I couldn't stand the forum being overrun by their bullshit; and that's what it is: bullshit.
Epic douchebaggery of the highest order

Hi all,when and where the FBI became involved we dont' know.If they are looking at someone locally why would they announce there presence to the public.take care philip

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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Everything you guys say is completely based on faulty assumptions that you constantly state as facts. Alll of you guys theories are completely 100% based on the ASSUMPTION that she was drunk and running from the cops.

Jenkins - forget everything else for a moment.

1. Car accident -
2. Alchol -
3. Driver left the scene under their own power -
4. Driver lied about calling for help -

If you read these four points to any room of people MM's age what assumption would they make?

If you make any assumptions other than drinking and driving driver left scene than your just trying to be contrary.

The only reason why people don't want to accept this theory is because that means the driver's fate was in her own hands.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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I'm from CT originally, I grew up there. It's a much different culture than NH. Down CT there's a lot more of this nanny state type mentally where people feel the cops need to be there for even the most minor fender bender, it's wicked annoying actually.
People in NH are much more independent than people in CT, in general. An accident in Ct where the driver would sit there and wait for a cop a person in NH is way more likely to leave their car and catch a ride back to town. That's just the way it is. There's no need to wait for a cop, a private citizen can call a tow truck just as well as a cop can.

Why are you talking about NH "car crash culture"? I'm thankful for you showing the differences between state car crash cultures of NH and CT, but MM was from MA. If there was any "car crash culture" that was followed it would be from MA. Unless you are insinuating that MM before taking a road trip looked up the proper do's and don't in car crashes by state. That would truly suck if she had to drive to FL or OK to see Billy with all those states to drive through.

I'm willing to be the first two rules in "car crash culture" in any state?
1. Don't drink and drive
2. Better to stay with the car and wait for LE than be a 21 year old female and get in a car with a stranger.