Maura Murray

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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You most certainly are pointing fingers. This is getting beyond ridiculous. Hey Anne and LG where are you now? Nothing to say while fingers are being pointed and someone's family is getting dragged thru the mud.
Bill you only know what you heard about this person, that is hearsay. You do not know without a doubt that this person is guilty of anything concerning MM.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what family owns that business and who you are talking about.
The police or CC are handling this now so dragging this person and his family through the mud will do no good whatsoever.
There's even a law against it. It's called libel.

Not just my family but his own family have said this including his son, so mind your own business!!! As far as libel that would be my concern not yours. You've been in this forum for how long now? And what have you come up with? NOTHING, ZILCH!!!! And FYI dumbass I never said he was guilty or a suspect all I ever said was he was and is a person of interest.

Shack wrote:

RO's description of the truck and her experience that night: "I wish I could give an exact description of the truck but I can not. I was walking that night about 7 p.m to the local store. As I was walking up the hill, a truck passed me and slowed down. When it got to the middle of the hill it stopped in the road. I immediately looked at the plate and noticed it was from Massachusetts. There is only 1 street light there and I could not tell how many people were in the vehicle. As I got closer to the truck it took off up the hill. When I rounded the corner to the store, I could see the truck in the driveway of the store. As I walked into the parking lot, which is well lit, the truck took off toward the crash site,(of course at that time I did not know there was a crash). As for the red truck, it slowed, then stopped and waited for me to get closer, then took off up the hill. He did not leave the store parking lot in any sort of hurry. When I entered the store I asked if she saw the people in that truck and she said no, no one had come in. I told her about them stopping in the hill. Then we just forgot about it. I stood in the store a while and was there when the police and ambulance went by. I never saw that truck again. The only way I can describe it is that it looked like someone who delivered wood. That was my first thought about it........red, MA plates and delivered wood. Either having a wood body or even just slats in the body. It was not a king cab or extra cab. Just a regular truck. That is all I can tell you. I was in the Swiftwater store for 1/2 hour - 45 minutes. It was about 20-30 minutes after I was there that the police went by. I am not at all Maura's size and in fact I was bundled up that night. I believe I caught the truck off guard as I was walking well off the road and as they passed I walked back on, which is why I believe they stopped completely. They could not see me without any street lights and maybe went to the store and waited for me to get up there to get a better look??? I don't know. That is just how it seemed to me. The truck didn't scare me. My thought is that they/he/she thought I was someone else. That is what I was thinking that night. When I saw them sitting at the store, I again thought, they really think I am someone else. And as I got closer and I could see the driver moving around - I was thinking, there, I am not the person you are looking for, and he drove off. I wish to God I could remember what I was wearing that night, but I can't. Someone asked about the truck and whether it was 4 wheel drive. I believe it was. I have been looking at trucks and have determined that it was definitely a four wheel drive or at least it was a 3/4 ton pick up, because it sat up high. The other thing I remember is that the window in the back was hard to see in....it wasn't very large.....which tells me it was an older truck maybe???"
(The above is copy/paste)..only to note "times"
RO "lived" (past tense) on a side street Bxxxa Rd.

Thanks very helpful!!

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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You most certainly are pointing fingers. This is getting beyond ridiculous. Hey Anne and LG where are you now? Nothing to say while fingers are being pointed and someone's family is getting dragged thru the mud.
Bill you only know what you heard about this person, that is hearsay. You do not know without a doubt that this person is guilty of anything concerning MM.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what family owns that business and who you are talking about.
The police or CC are handling this now so dragging this person and his family through the mud will do no good whatsoever.
There's even a law against it. It's called libel.

You know what you are ridiculous because I see only people on here more interested in placing blame on MM's family themselves or trying to dismiss the case entirely. As far as my info it not only came from my family members, it came from y sos wife who is his niece and his own son. Also if you read the whole statement and not what you choose to read you will see that I said he is a person of interest not a suspect or if he is even guilty. This is fact and has been fact for quite sometime with LE. But because of a lack of physical evidence or an eyewitness they have not been able to proceed. This in part does not mean that he is the only person of interest either. So get your facts straight before you blast me. As for libel that is my worry not yours so mind your business on that.

Wowzer it is apparent that you will believe only what you want to believe. You have your blinders on and will never accept the fact that it could be someone from your area. Hell it may not be, it could be someone from MA, VT, NH, anywhere, even the least likeliness of suspects, such as a neighbor. You never know and you cannot be certain. That accident scene may not even be where she met her demise, it could have happened at a rest area along the way, a truck stop...etc, etc. The fact is and sadly it is that we may never know and in all likelihood won't know whatever happened to MM. But as long as they have people of interest and info funneling in they will keep following up on this. So if you know for a fact it wasn't him then you must know who it was? So you should contact CC and let them know ASAP!

Been following this case for over a year since it first appeared on Disappeared show.

Questions if someone can answer:

I've read that the PI team believed the place where Maura's car was found is NOT where the accident happened. If so, does anyone know how far away it was from where her car was found?

Also heard that there was an Outback Steak House not far from the accident location (not sure which accident site)- is this true?

Last question, if you will, the damage to the front hood of her car appears to be the result of it sliding under a truck or (and never heard this mentioned) a bus.(I am not saying the bus was that of the SBD who passed away after moving to Florida).
Was hood damage ever confirmed to be from a slide under type of accident?

Bill 05478 wrote:

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You know what you are ridiculous because I see only people on here more interested in placing blame on MM's family themselves or trying to dismiss the case entirely. As far as my info it not only came from my family members, it came from y sos wife who is his niece and his own son. Also if you read the whole statement and not what you choose to read you will see that I said he is a person of interest not a suspect or if he is even guilty. This is fact and has been fact for quite sometime with LE. But because of a lack of physical evidence or an eyewitness they have not been able to proceed. This in part does not mean that he is the only person of interest either. So get your facts straight before you blast me. As for libel that is my worry not yours so mind your business on that.

If he is a person of interest and not a suspect then no one should be putting his name, initials or anything to do with his family on a public forum.
And you dumbas*, it certainly is my business. I live here and I've watched enough of the people here getting beat up and bashed to make me puke.
Want to tell everyrone what VSP Troop you are in? And where you really live?

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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If he is a person of interest and not a suspect then no one should be putting his name, initials or anything to do with his family on a public forum.
And you dumbas*, it certainly is my business. I live here and I've watched enough of the people here getting beat up and bashed to make me puke.
Want to tell everyrone what VSP Troop you are in? And where you really live?

I never once put his initials on here or his name someone else kindly took care of that thank you. Did I give information to make it easier to figure him out? Yes I did and I already said I was wrong for that. But after constant badgering is when I started releasing the info, only to shut some of you people up. Then when someone figures it out it's my fault. There is no pleasing a majority of you hanger ons in here as you pry for more info and unless it is given you condemn and when it is given the person is condemned, and you are by far the worst offender.
So you live among a killer in a town that turns a blind eye, with a PD that botched the investigation from the first 911 call. I hope you never need assistance from HPD because you may never be seen again. I've already stated several times I am in St. Albans, VT hence the 05478, thought you would have got that since you are so good at deciphering clues and have all the answers.

Here's a different outlook and for you Wowzer I hope I am wrong because my kids live there too. I grew up in Plymouth, MA and when I was young we had several murders there, some in which involved children. So I guess in a way I can empathize with you, but you have to sometimes face the facts that there could be a killer among you. Very few were committed by out of towners in my case and I in fact knew one of the murderers, he went to my church. So you never know.

1. One, a friend (or two) at school was in need of a ride home, and imposed themself upon Maura, whom attempts to make the best of a bad situation by bringing along the box of wine.

Where was the wine purchased (cash/credit card)?

How much wine was left in the box?

2. Anyone (or more) registered at the school live in that area, or for that matter missed the next week of school?

What about acquaintances at off college hangouts?

3. All of this assumes that it was even Maura that checked the route on her computer, notified classes, or left school in her motor vehicle.

4. The dent on the drivers side front fender is "cupped." This is a right angle (square corner) impression from the left rear bumper of a pickup truck.

Was Maura habitual about safety belts?
Was the seat belt friction burned?
Deployed airbags prevent head contact with the windshield.

Someone sitting behind the driver can put both feet on the rear of the drivers seat, release the seat latch and drive the seat forward with enough velocity to cause the healthy star pattern on the windshield

5. The "furtive behavior" at the accident scene creates "reasonable suspicion" that the female at the accident scene was NOT Maura and fled to avoid law enforcement contact (female arrest warrant).

This is not the behavior of an innocent; what answers can someone give for driving an unreported missing young lady's motor vehicle?

Unless people are involved with multitudes of auto accidents, they seldom confuse the girl, or the man smoking the cigarette.

Curious wrote:

Been following this case for over a year since it first appeared on Disappeared show.
Questions if someone can answer:
I've read that the PI team believed the place where Maura's car was found is NOT where the accident happened. If so, does anyone know how far away it was from where her car was found?
Also heard that there was an Outback Steak House not far from the accident location (not sure which accident site)- is this true?
Last question, if you will, the damage to the front hood of her car appears to be the result of it sliding under a truck or (and never heard this mentioned) a bus.(I am not saying the bus was that of the SBD who passed away after moving to Florida).
Was hood damage ever confirmed to be from a slide under type of accident?

1) Some accident reconstructionists feel that the snow bank nor the tree could have caused the damage to MM's car, looks more like damage from hitting the rear of a pickup truck.
2) I don't believe there is an Outback in the area but why would that be important?
3)If anything has been confirmed LE is not releasing it.

Curious wrote:

Was hood damage ever confirmed to be from a slide under type of accident?

For an answer, you might try contacting Robert C Stevens of PSII on Russell in Hadley MA. He is a very smart, highly regarded, well educated PI who was there at the beginning of all this in Feb 2004. He is not, by any means, your average gumshoe. I believe he is something of an expert in accident reconstruction, among other things. He is a retired head of the Mass. State Police Behavioral Sciences Unit. His website gives further details.

Stevens has been deeply involved, as a PI, in the Danny Croteau case and has worked closely with Greenfield MA attorney John Stobierski, who deposed Fr. Jim Scahill in the Croteau case. When Stobierski was shown, a couple of years ago, a copy of a phone bill pertinent to the Molly Bish case, he couldn't get it off his desk fast enough, slyly recommendeding that it remain undisclosed to law enforcement. Not his exact words, but certainly his meaning.

According the Springfield Republican, Stevens, whom the Republican hired to re-investigate the Croteau murder, had a kind of informal quid pro quo agreement with the Chicopee PD regarding the Croteau case.(Croteau was murdered in Chicopee in 1972.) If Stevens, according the news report, could get some info/help from the Chicopee PD, then he, Stevens, would reciprocate. Which is the one of the most absurd things I have ever heard. First, only three cities in MA are allowed to investigate murders. Chicopee is not one of them. Chicopee PD may, in fact, know something about the Croteau case, but they are not allowed, by law, to investigate it on their own. Only MA state police can do that. Second, PIs must, by law, turn over to LE everything they discover if it is relevant to an investigation by LE. The funny thing is that the Chicopee police chief later complained that Stevens wasn't really abiding by their cooperative agreement, something I find hard to believe, because there probably never was one.

At any rate, the phone bill came from someone almost certainly known to and similar to Fr. Richard Lavigne. Stobierski seemed to want no connection between the Croteau and Bish cases known to LE.

So if you're brave enough to contact Stevens, beware that you are knocking on the door of something way beyond what is covered in any online discussion. Way, way beyond.

The location at which the Saturn was first damaged before the WB curve, if such is even the case, might be something Stevens COULD address, but doubtful he would disclose anything of value to the public.

If the Corolla was examined so closely by LE, which it was, then it's not unreasonable to think the Saturn was looked at pretty closely, too. But maybe not. Who knows?

Why MITRE Corp of Massachusetts would be so interested in Maura Murray's disappearance is puzzling. Maybe someone at MITRE knew her or is helping out. But whatever the reason, when someone at that high a level of government security is so close to all this, then it's probably for some reason that will never become publicly known.

There are some funny things about this case, not the least of which is the course and invention of the thousands of posts on these several (all but the present one deleted) Topix threads. But what, more than anything else, makes Maura's disappearance hard for me to fathom is the intense interest in it by people who are mostly from the Amherst area, or from MA, only a small fraction of which is evident online, public or private. The true interest in Maura's disappearance does not surface online much. What is seen in the online discussions and on TV is less than the tip of the iceberg. Most of the rest is entirely private, and does not involve LE.

How far would you go to prevent someone from finding out that you had early, 1970s, live, never released, professional recordings of Stevie Ray Vaughan, if that certain someone could now get a cut of their value, but doesn't know about them because hardly anyone knows they exist yet?

Bill 05478 wrote:

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I never once put his initials on here or his name someone else kindly took care of that thank you. Did I give information to make it easier to figure him out? Yes I did and I already said I was wrong for that. But after constant badgering is when I started releasing the info, only to shut some of you people up. Then when someone figures it out it's my fault. There is no pleasing a majority of you hanger ons in here as you pry for more info and unless it is given you condemn and when it is given the person is condemned, and you are by far the worst offender.
So you live among a killer in a town that turns a blind eye, with a PD that botched the investigation from the first 911 call. I hope you never need assistance from HPD because you may never be seen again. I've already stated several times I am in St. Albans, VT hence the 05478, thought you would have got that since you are so good at deciphering clues and have all the answers.

I beg to differ with you.
#2057 Bill05478 wrote: I hope I do and I hope I make RS very nervous!!!!
I have faith in our PD. Of course there's only so much that can be done when there is a lack of evidence and the person left without a trace.
If I was to leave I would certainly let one or all of my loved ones know so they wouldn't be worried sick. Even if I was leaving for just one day.
Oh I got it. Anyone can put any zip code in as part of their moniker.
You still haven't said what VSP Troop you work for though.It's beyond belief that they would hire someone that has so little self control of his temper and calls people names like a two year old.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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I beg to differ with you.
#2057 Bill05478 wrote: I hope I do and I hope I make RS very nervous!!!!
I have faith in our PD. Of course there's only so much that can be done when there is a lack of evidence and the person left without a trace.
If I was to leave I would certainly let one or all of my loved ones know so they wouldn't be worried sick. Even if I was leaving for just one day.
Oh I got it. Anyone can put any zip code in as part of their moniker.
You still haven't said what VSP Troop you work for though.It's beyond belief that they would hire someone that has so little self control of his temper and calls people names like a two year old.

Whatever you want to believe you amateur dick, keep in mind those initials were only put up after someone else actually put his name up. It's hard to believe that you have made it through life as far as you have with your dim witted brain and one sided attitude I have presented more than one scenario but as soon as one depicts anyone from your beloved community you go off. Take your blinders off retard.

This is something that took place in Kingston, MA back in 1990. A 13 year old girl named Melissa Benoit was kidnapped and murdered by her next door neighbor Henry Meinholz. He sexually assaulted her then suffocated her in his garage and he buried her in the basement. All this while living across the street from the KPD. To make this more atrocious he then had the nerve to lead the search party for her. Does this now make him a good citizen of Kingston? Oh yeah and by the way he worked in a church and he also was arrested for indecent exposure as he would follow school buses around and pleasure himself. So you just never know who your neighbors really are, or even your friends.

Bill 05478 wrote:

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Whatever you want to believe you amateur dick, keep in mind those initials were only put up after someone else actually put his name up. It's hard to believe that you have made it through life as far as you have with your dim witted brain and one sided attitude I have presented more than one scenario but as soon as one depicts anyone from your beloved community you go off. Take your blinders off retard.

If there's a killer in my neighborhood I want him caught.
And punished to the full extent of the law. Period!

So far no one has proved that so if you don't mind I'll keep enjoying the peace and tranquility of my home until you can prove I'm living near a killer or an abducter. Until then please stop libeling the people in my neighborhood.

Now get to work and catch that killer and save the neighborhood for heavens sake instead of spending all your time here running your mouth. Thanks

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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If there's a killer in my neighborhood I want him caught.
And punished to the full extent of the law. Period!
So far no one has proved that so if you don't mind I'll keep enjoying the peace and tranquility of my home until you can prove I'm living near a killer or an abducter. Until then please stop libeling the people in my neighborhood.
Now get to work and catch that killer and save the neighborhood for heavens sake instead of spending all your time here running your mouth. Thanks

The only time you ever chime in is when someone degrades your lovely hood. Why do you think the kids there call it Hoodsville? Open your eyes woman Woodsville was a very nice community. Ask any kid there and they will tell you how easy it is to get drugs there, hell I see them talking about it all the time on Facebook. Also, I am not saying it is that person, all I said is he is a person of interest, nothing more. I bet half the people that live or lived in that general area are. Sorry but that is how LE looks at it until proven otherwise. They can't label anyone a suspect because of lack of evidence and any eyewitness accounts. But, I take what I hear very seriously because it came from people who have known him for years, including a niece and his son, that is why I turned everything over to CC.

I in my opinion think they are looking at the wrong people, I think Maura never made it to Woodsville, I think she may have met her demise at a rest stop possibly, by a man and a woman. This would corroborate SBD's statement to his family that the girl he saw was not the same as the photos in the media of Maura. It would also correspond to what the W's said that they saw a man in the car smoking a cigarette with the passenger door open. All these statements were initial statements prior to being questioned by police. Whereas SBD changed his story to that it was MM he saw and then the W's went with the police theory that it was the glow of the cell phone charger that was not even in the vehicle. My opinion the closer a statement to a crime or incident the more credible and accurate it is. So that red truck now comes into question that the girl saw, maybe the truck had actually stopped thinking it was the people in the Saturn and not until she got up to the truck in the Swiftwater Store under lights did they realize it was not who they thought. Like I said just my honest opinion and I hope they do clear everyone in that area.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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If there's a killer in my neighborhood I want him caught.
And punished to the full extent of the law. Period!
So far no one has proved that so if you don't mind I'll keep enjoying the peace and tranquility of my home until you can prove I'm living near a killer or an abducter. Until then please stop libeling the people in my neighborhood.
Now get to work and catch that killer and save the neighborhood for heavens sake instead of spending all your time here running your mouth. Thanks

Wowzer, How on earth would you prove a killer lived in your neighborhood, unless you considered it? You are intelligent enough to know that is not possible nor probible. We would all like to live in the peace and tranquility that is our neighborhoods. That is not the reality here. How can anyone catch a killer unless they report what they know or believe? I think when you dismissed an earlier report of possible abduction this year that I reported, as I was there, I really could see clearly your protective stance. He was a level 3 sex offender. You periodically encourage people to report accusations, and that is good., but I wonder if it is just to dismiss the poster. Bill has presented unsettling points for someone from our area and in turn he has passed it on to the cold case unit. That is good. I could add but won't because he is doing just fine. Just so you know, I do not believe in namecalling or stating names, although although he said was person of interest. He apologized and you accepted, I think.

At some point in the vicious regression of daily sadness and regret, a line can become unconsciously passed. Day by day, you travel undetected toward an ultimate and irreversible alienation. You have made the decision without knowing you have made the decision. When something distressing, or just apparently distressing, happens, it will bring this decision closer to your consciousness. But you put it off for another day, another week, another month, to some point in the future. You defer to a life nearly without life thinking there may yet be a corner to turn. Maybe tomorrow things will be different, get better. But at some point, you have turned that last corner, crossed, deep down in your subconsciousness, that last line of decision. You might return borrowed things, or you might not. You might go for a drive, with no particular destination in mind, or you might not.

How can the disappearance of someone like Maura Murray take over your whole life? How? Because the police come razor close to accusing you. They wreck your entire life, year after year. They never stop. They heed the thoughts implanted in their heads by a PI. They talk to your neighbors, insinuating the worst about you. They purchase items you sell in order to inspect them for DNA and fingerprints. They buy your saw blades to inspect them for traces of blood. They taunt you online with words not quite illegal, hoping you will cross some legal line in revenge and that they can then question you in jail until you break and admit even to a crime you never committed. They never, ever stop.

The police are the evil accomplices of the private investigator, who is lavishly funded by someone who moves you around his gameboard like a piece of plastic. From a distance, laughing at your helplessness.

You are scum. Your life is worth nothing. The big rich man has won after all. In a pathetic effort to defend yourself, every move of which is correctly anticipated by the PI, you are dying at the altar of someone nonexistent.

Beagle wrote:

At some point in the vicious regression of daily sadness and regret, a line can become unconsciously passed. Day by day, you travel undetected toward an ultimate and irreversible alienation. You have made the decision without knowing you have made the decision. When something distressing, or just apparently distressing, happens, it will bring this decision closer to your consciousness. But you put it off for another day, another week, another month, to some point in the future. You defer to a life nearly without life thinking there may yet be a corner to turn. Maybe tomorrow things will be different, get better. But at some point, you have turned that last corner, crossed, deep down in your subconsciousness, that last line of decision. You might return borrowed things, or you might not. You might go for a drive, with no particular destination in mind, or you might not.

What the hell???