Maura Murray

Shack wrote:

I remember Bobfather...he was/is a very kindly person who did/does tend bar in Ohio?..Indiana..? In his first Posts on the family MM forum, he described himself as resembling one of the Stooges. He was very attentive as far as to trying to help the Murray family.
(We emailed for awhile...about food n family.)

Interesting because he gave me a card with his name and field of work. It was definately not a bartender.

Shack wrote:

I remember Bobfather...he was/is a very kindly person who did/does tend bar in Ohio?..Indiana..? In his first Posts on the family MM forum, he described himself as resembling one of the Stooges. He was very attentive as far as to trying to help the Murray family.
(We emailed for awhile...about food n family.)

Oh thank god your back shack. You have been missing for a while. Aside from that nit-witter with the tent crap and the virtual drinks. We have a question I guess you missed. You may go back to read the full story.

So what about it Shack? You have had almost nine years to hide, evade, misdirect, and otherwise obfuscate anything to do with this case. When do the townspeople get to hold a mirror up to you? Or doesn't this little witch hunt you started include you?

Bill

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

<quoted text>They also searched up by 116 after the sbd's alleged sighting.

Again, just to keep things straight. It was CW not SBD who said they sighted a person running down there, possibly Maura.

So here is one of your answers of why I do what I do. Not just entertainment. To keep the bullshit from spreading when people who don't know what they are talking about try speaking like an authority and spout off about stuff they apparently don't know about.

Bill

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Interesting because he gave me a card with his name and field of work. It was definately not a bartender.

BaaaaBAM!

You mean that shack was wrong bout something AGAIN.......shocking. I find that hard to believe, oh wait, no I don't knowing her history.

Bill

Orko Kringer wrote:

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Jenky,
IMO,
It is just a strategy.
The suicide angle wasn't getting police to devote the kind of time and resources into the case that a possible serial killer on the loose angle would.
It was again IMO, a strategy by Fred to force police into working the case in a more urgent method.
the strategy hasn't worked. It has IMO created mis-trust between police and the family of maura.
And the police have never treated this case like a murder had occured and a serial killer was on the loose. The FBI would've been all over this case, the news media would be giving tips on the news about locking your doors at night and never being alone past dark etc ...
All of this is IMO.

Orky- i don't think anybody has ever truly believed that she was truly the victim of a real serial killer, there's been some suggestions of the possibility over the years but I don't think anyone truly ever said that's what they think happened.
If Maura was murdered it was either someone she knew or an opportunistic killer, some sick fuck that could've been driving around for years waitin for
An opportunity like that, some young beautiful girl all alone and freezing cold in the middle of nowhere

What I don't understand is how much of an investigation do you think the family would want if they thought suicide? You don't really investigate suicides, you search for a body. Shouldn't they have been jumping up an down for LE to do ground searches rather than investigating for a killer? You can investigate all you want but that's not going to help find her in the woods somewhere, the only thing that's gonna find her is ground searches, which have been noticeably absent. There's been no ground search since '06 and that was conducted by pi's, To my knowledge LE hasn't conducted any ground searches since '04. Even in '04 they really didn't do too many searches, why hasn't the family been critical of that? They've always said LE should be investigating for a killer.
I'm just saying that If the family thought suicide what should they expect? Why would they expect a murder investigation when that's not going to help find her? Shouldn't they expect ground searches? Ground searches in the area, and maybe at some of her favorite hiking spots? Stuff like that, but not a murder investigation.

Bobfather had a day job and bartended at nite for extra cash.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Again, just to keep things straight. It was CW not SBD who said they sighted a person running down there, possibly Maura.
So here is one of your answers of why I do what I do. Not just entertainment. To keep the bullshit from spreading when people who don't know what they are talking about try speaking like an authority and spout off about stuff they apparently don't know about.
Bill

Yes bill, obviously it was the cw and not the sbd, that was an accident; I wrote sbd instead of cw. Honest mistake, thanks for the correction but That's not exactly "preventing the spread of bullshit" lol, come on dude.

Over the past few days, I have taken a strong interest in the Maura Murray case. I have read through most every blog and posts that exist on this. Suddenly today I kind of got a strong flash in my head of what may have happened to her. Of course this is just a theory, but I feel it to be a strong one.

I believe she had 2 sets of directions with her. One being directions to a person she was to pick up, another possible being a 2nd person she was picking up, and the final destination was to be at either a person's house, or rental condo of some kind for the weekend. I believe she made it to that destination, but had help doing so.

According to reports there was supposedly a man smoking a cigarette in the car. Smoking a cigarette is kind of a distinct act, tough to mistake for anything else. I'd imagine Maura being a runner wasn't a smoker. She had 2 sets of directions with her. one to Burlington, Vermont, one to Stowe, Vermont. If one was traveling from Amherst to Bartlett, New Hampshire they probably don't take route 112. However if someone is traveling from Stowe or Burlington, VT to Bartlet, 112 can certainly be used. Especially if there's someone in the car, perhaps someone familiar with the area that may know a few shortcuts and roads easier to travel in the snow. I believe she was not alone in this car, but with a romantic interest. Someone she either met on a dating site or a previous discrete relationship. Someone she would know better not to call with her own cellphone. it would be interesting to know if she was on any dating sites. Even with a hidden profile. There may have even been a 3rd person in the car as well, or intentions of picking up another person.

This could have been an arranged sexual encounter for the weekend. I don't want to make any accusations of Maura. However, in general, people tend to keep their sexual life private, especially girls. You won't hear a girl on a Monday morning say 'yeah, I was in an orgy this Saturday, what did you do this weekend?". Or this could have just been a weekend getaway to meet a few new people. A long distance relationship is hard to stay loyal to, especially a pretty 21 year old girl in her college years. Even if she loved her current boyfriend, she maybe just needed an adventure and escape from life for a few days. It's a little morbid to use a death in the family as an excuse and I view it as bad karma, but to her train of thought it may have been the best excuse not to be questioned upon her return.

con't

All this being said, I assume Maura was a very pride driven girl as most intelligent and accomplished athletes with a lot going for them should be. However it looks like she went through a stressful week that jarred her pride a lot. Between a few accidents, a rumored hit and run, causing her Dad a few bucks and thensome, I think she decided to getaway for the weekend with intentions of returning home. However when she got into another accident, probably drunk or at least drinking in some regard while driving while probably having a guy or two in the car with her (whom may have been drinking as well or perhaps had drugs on them, which would explain them fleeing the scene before most anyone could notice), this may also explain why they would take a more docile road to travel, and then having intentions of being with them for the weekend. All this would certainly leave Maura with a hell of a lot of explaining to do to everyone. And a most certain unwelcoming return home at that time. I think at this point, she panicked, left her car behind, and had the person(s) she was with help her in getting to her to where she was destined to be hanging out for the weekend. I believe then it was during this weekend excursion she decided to take her life in a new direction and start anew. I believe she could have met someone who didn't mind a change himself and was well able to support her financially and see her through some difficult times.

All this being said, I think she has no desire to ever return to her former life. And I almost feel that why should she? Can you imagine the chaos that would come of such a return? Yes, we would all be able to sleep better knowing she's ok, everyone would say how much they miss her, but after she blew out the candles of her welcome home cake, she'd have a lot of explaining to do. Where was she? Why did you leave? Why didn't you talk to anyone? Were you involved in that hit and run? And even if she was allotted some time to get comfortable, eventually we'd all be asking her to talk.

I personally believe Maura to be alive and content wherever she is.
- Mike

1st part in case it didn't post

Over the past few days, I have taken a strong interest in the Maura Murray case. I have read through most every blog and posts that exist on this. Suddenly today I kind of got a strong flash in my head of what may have happened to her. Of course this is just a theory, but I feel it to be a strong one.

I believe she had 2 sets of directions with her. One being directions to a person she was to pick up, another possible being a 2nd person she was picking up, and the final destination was to be at either a person's house, or rental condo of some kind for the weekend. I believe she made it to that destination, but had help doing so.

According to reports there was supposedly a man smoking a cigarette in the car. Smoking a cigarette is kind of a distinct act, tough to mistake for anything else. I'd imagine Maura being a runner wasn't a smoker. She had 2 sets of directions with her. one to Burlington, Vermont, one to Stowe, Vermont. If one was traveling from Amherst to Bartlett, New Hampshire they probably don't take route 112. However if someone is traveling from Stowe or Burlington, VT to Bartlet, 112 can certainly be used. Especially if there's someone in the car, perhaps someone familiar with the area that may know a few shortcuts and roads easier to travel in the snow. I believe she was not alone in this car, but with a romantic interest. Someone she either met on a dating site or a previous discrete relationship. Someone she would know better not to call with her own cellphone. it would be interesting to know if she was on any dating sites. Even with a hidden profile. There may have even been a 3rd person in the car as well, or intentions of picking up another person.

This could have been an arranged sexual encounter for the weekend. I don't want to make any accusations of Maura. However, in general, people tend to keep their sexual life private, especially girls. You won't hear a girl on a Monday morning say 'yeah, I was in an orgy this Saturday, what did you do this weekend?". Or this could have just been a weekend getaway to meet a few new people. A long distance relationship is hard to stay loyal to, especially a pretty 21 year old girl in her college years. Even if she loved her current boyfriend, she maybe just needed an adventure and escape from life for a few days. It's a little morbid to use a death in the family as an excuse and I view it as bad karma, but to her train of thought it may have been the best excuse not to be questioned upon her return.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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Yes bill, obviously it was the cw and not the sbd, that was an accident; I wrote sbd instead of cw. Honest mistake, thanks for the correction but That's not exactly "preventing the spread of bullshit" lol, come on dude.

Really? Did you or anyone else correct it? So when someone, maybe new, in a day or a week, or several weeks talks about SBD seeing Maura near Rt 116. Either here or on one of the other sites. They would have read it here. And they would have been correct about reading it. Then comes the herculean task of undoing it.

Bill

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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Orky- i don't think anybody has ever truly believed that she was truly the victim of a real serial killer, there's been some suggestions of the possibility over the years but I don't think anyone truly ever said that's what they think happened.
If Maura was murdered it was either someone she knew or an opportunistic killer, some sick fuck that could've been driving around for years waitin for
An opportunity like that, some young beautiful girl all alone and freezing cold in the middle of nowhere
What I don't understand is how much of an investigation do you think the family would want if they thought suicide? You don't really investigate suicides, you search for a body. Shouldn't they have been jumping up an down for LE to do ground searches rather than investigating for a killer? You can investigate all you want but that's not going to help find her in the woods somewhere, the only thing that's gonna find her is ground searches, which have been noticeably absent. There's been no ground search since '06 and that was conducted by pi's, To my knowledge LE hasn't conducted any ground searches since '04. Even in '04 they really didn't do too many searches, why hasn't the family been critical of that? They've always said LE should be investigating for a killer.
I'm just saying that If the family thought suicide what should they expect? Why would they expect a murder investigation when that's not going to help find her? Shouldn't they expect ground searches? Ground searches in the area, and maybe at some of her favorite hiking spots? Stuff like that, but not a murder investigation.

Jenky,

to go at this another way.

And this all speaking hypothetically.

Fred alerts police that his daughter is depressed and may be in danger of harming herself.

Police note to Fred that Maura is an adult and has every right to head into the mountains on her own free will and they don't have any evidence that maura has in fact harmed herself. And that they know of a gazillion adults who have headed for the mountains over the years, yet that doesn't mean they have the budget in place to treat each individual case as if that person was met with some sort of foul play (WITHOUT EVIDENCE DICTATING SUCH).

As a parent how would you respond to this.

First you can try to include media and bring attention to your missing one and hope that all of that puts pressure on law enforcement to jump in and treat it like an 8-year old white girl had just been snatched from her home.

But after you have involved media and the police response stays relatively consistent and you don't see a lot of progress (such as timely searches taking place)... what do you do?

If I were a parent put into this situation, I would do whatever it takes and say whatever it takes to get my missing loved one found,(no matter if the loved one harmed their own self or not). I would lie and claim that a boogey man got her, If I felt like the media would side with me and that would put the police on the defensive.

mcsmom wrote:

Bobfather had a day job and bartended at nite for extra cash.

Is this what we confirmed this weekend? I'm glad progress is being made in this case. Jenkins is the Bobfather.

Now he's going to write us a post that we can't refuse.

Mike wrote:

I personally believe Maura to be alive and content wherever she is.
- Mike

You're just covering up for the Romney werewolf kids. They'll stop at nothing.

Mike wrote:

con't
Between a few accidents, a rumored hit and run, causing her Dad a few bucks and thensome, I think she decided to getaway for the weekend with intentions of returning home. However when she got into another accident, probably drunk or at least drinking in some regard while driving while probably having a guy or two in the car with her (whom may have been drinking as well or perhaps had drugs on them, which would explain them fleeing the scene before most anyone could notice), this may also explain why they would take a more docile road to travel, and then having intentions of being with them for the weekend.

Mike welcome to the forum. In order to stay as a posting member on this forum you must pay the Bobfather a tribute of 200-300 words a in posts a day. He will protect you from the "haters" asking for proof and evidence but don't worry he will be able to find facts for you.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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Thanks orky, I've never seen that before. I guess we do know one of the other people at the parties names and that it was her hometown friend she went to NH to party. I remember early on people talking about a vacation house that the family called the nieghbors to have then check to see if she was there but I remember people saying it was in bethlehem. Do you think there were two different vacation houses or If this was the house they were talkin about?

These are two different places. The vacation home in Bethlehem was owned by a relative on Maura´s mom´s side. As far as I know it wasn´t checked on in the days after Maura´s disappearance.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Is this what we confirmed this weekend? I'm glad progress is being made in this case. Jenkins is the Bobfather.
Now he's going to write us a post that we can't refuse.

Scuse me young'un, but I'm afraid we're going to have to card you before you can accept any offers from the bartender.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Interesting because he gave me a card with his name and field of work. It was definately not a bartender.

Lol, ok so it definitely wasn't bobfather. Thanks citi. Where was he from if you don't mind me asking, must've been new England if you've seen him recently and he have you his card, I would think.

As for mistrust between LE and family, it is pretty clear that exists at least to some extent. Seems in recent years some has been done to repair the relationship but it still clearly exists.
But I think much of that mistrust stems from LE's statements to the media early on. Both Fred and Sharon have both stated that LE had misrepresented what they said to LE, the suicide thing being a big source of contention. Sharon even goes so far to call them a bunch of liars in an early news report. Also when you consider the fact that LE lied to the family when they arrived and made up a witness that said Maura appeared intoxicated, I can see why the family has some mistrust of LE.

But that has not stopped the NHSP from doing their job, they've done a lot of work on this case. 6,000 hours is nothing to sneeze at; that is definitely a real investigation, about as much as anyone could expect, if not more. These are murder police conducting this investigation, these guys have a lot more important things to do then pretending to investigate a case that they truly believe is a suicide. I would think if they believed suicide they would've been done after a couple 2-3 thousand hours, if even that much. After they put in like 2,000 hours they were well past any possible lawsuits or anything like that, way past it actually.
Cops that investigate murders aren't in the business of pretend investigations, well you would hope so at least.
The NHSP is actually going to look really stupid if she comes up a suicide as well, you would think that the public could be kinda pissed that they wasted so much time investigating a suicide. They'd look pretty stupid at this point for conducting the largest investigation in NH history over a suicide, IMO.
6,000 hours is about as legitimate a murder investigation as it gets, I don't see how anybody can look at all the work they've done and say that they haven't been looking for a murderer. Now that doesn't mean that they're correct, doesn't mean she was definitely killed, but they've clearly conducted a true murder investigation.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

As for mistrust between LE and family, it is pretty clear that exists at least to some extent. Seems in recent years some has been done to repair the relationship but it still clearly exists.
But I think much of that mistrust stems from LE's statements to the media early on. Both Fred and Sharon have both stated that LE had misrepresented what they said to LE, the suicide thing being a big source of contention. Sharon even goes so far to call them a bunch of liars in an early news report. Also when you consider the fact that LE lied to the family when they arrived and made up a witness that said Maura appeared intoxicated, I can see why the family has some mistrust of LE.
But that has not stopped the NHSP from doing their job, they've done a lot of work on this case. 6,000 hours is nothing to sneeze at; that is definitely a real investigation, about as much as anyone could expect, if not more. These are murder police conducting this investigation, these guys have a lot more important things to do then pretending to investigate a case that they truly believe is a suicide. I would think if they believed suicide they would've been done after a couple 2-3 thousand hours, if even that much. After they put in like 2,000 hours they were well past any possible lawsuits or anything like that, way past it actually.
Cops that investigate murders aren't in the business of pretend investigations, well you would hope so at least.
The NHSP is actually going to look really stupid if she comes up a suicide as well, you would think that the public could be kinda pissed that they wasted so much time investigating a suicide. They'd look pretty stupid at this point for conducting the largest investigation in NH history over a suicide, IMO.
6,000 hours is about as legitimate a murder investigation as it gets, I don't see how anybody can look at all the work they've done and say that they haven't been looking for a murderer. Now that doesn't mean that they're correct, doesn't mean she was definitely killed, but they've clearly conducted a true murder investigation.

Bob, did you read my post?