Maura Murray

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

As for mistrust between LE and family, it is pretty clear that exists at least to some extent. Seems in recent years some has been done to repair the relationship but it still clearly exists.
But I think much of that mistrust stems from LE's statements to the media early on. Both Fred and Sharon have both stated that LE had misrepresented what they said to LE, the suicide thing being a big source of contention. Sharon even goes so far to call them a bunch of liars in an early news report. Also when you consider the fact that LE lied to the family when they arrived and made up a witness that said Maura appeared intoxicated, I can see why the family has some mistrust of LE.
But that has not stopped the NHSP from doing their job, they've done a lot of work on this case. 6,000 hours is nothing to sneeze at; that is definitely a real investigation, about as much as anyone could expect, if not more. These are murder police conducting this investigation, these guys have a lot more important things to do then pretending to investigate a case that they truly believe is a suicide. I would think if they believed suicide they would've been done after a couple 2-3 thousand hours, if even that much. After they put in like 2,000 hours they were well past any possible lawsuits or anything like that, way past it actually.
Cops that investigate murders aren't in the business of pretend investigations, well you would hope so at least.
The NHSP is actually going to look really stupid if she comes up a suicide as well, you would think that the public could be kinda pissed that they wasted so much time investigating a suicide. They'd look pretty stupid at this point for conducting the largest investigation in NH history over a suicide, IMO.
6,000 hours is about as legitimate a murder investigation as it gets, I don't see how anybody can look at all the work they've done and say that they haven't been looking for a murderer. Now that doesn't mean that they're correct, doesn't mean she was definitely killed, but they've clearly conducted a true murder investigation.

Jenky,
I am not disputing that police haven't honestly put time into this case.

I would say, however, that the distinction is that they have followed up leads (in hopes of leading to a body recovery), not pursued a murder or murderer.

If you look back, and re-read about some of the aspects of this case that would suggest some sort of foul play (rusty knife, found clothing by accident, a-frame house and dogs going bonkers etc..) those weren't things that police uncovered and let the family know about, it was the other way around.

so in your theory (that police are dilligently seeking out a killer) why are the family the ones coming to police with the clues. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

Orko Kringer wrote:

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And the police have never treated this case like a murder had occured and a serial killer was on the loose. The FBI would've been all over this case, the news media would be giving tips on the news about locking your doors at night and never being alone past dark etc ...
All of this is IMO.

I don't understand this thought about the FBI being brought in, they can't really do anything that the NHSP can't.
The FBI traditionally isn't brought in on murder cases, this isn't common. Also the NHSP asking the FBI for help is pretty much them admitting that they can't handle a murder case, they're not in the business of making themselves look bad.

There is a long history of unsolved murders in Nh that were definitely murders and the FBI wasnt brought in on those, even cases that involved other states.
Consider the murder of Pamela Webb in '89, she was abducted along the Maine turnpike in biddeford, ME and her body was found a couple weeks later in Franconia. This case involved two states and the FBI still wasn't brought in, as far as I can tell.
Consider the CRV killer. This was a real serial killer tha killed people in both VT and NH. This case was investigated by the VSP and the NHSP, not the FBI. This is the kind of murder case that you would think the FBI would be brought in on and they still weren't, as far as I can tell at least. If they were brought in it was on a limited basis.
So we had a real serial killer and still no FBI.
Again, the SP asking for FBI help is them admitting that they can't handle the case, and they're not going to do that.

They've clearly investigated this case as a murder case, I don't see how anybody can disagree with that. They don't conduct the biggest investigation in NH history over something they believe is a suicide, well you would really hope not.

Doesn't mean that theyre not wrong, she could possibly be a suicide or even lost in the woods, but clearly the NHSP believes that a murder could have happened and are investigating to find the killer.

Something your missing orky is that NH's economy is based on tourism. Pretty much the last thing they're gonna do is come out and say that there's a killer on the loose in NH who killed a tourist from mass and they can't catch the guy. That is just not going to happen. They're not going to scare people from coming up for vacation by telling people toock their doors, etc. even though most people would be safer up in Nh then in their home cities in mass or CT, it's still just bad for their image. The last thing the NHSP is going to do is admit there's a killer on the loose & they can't catch the guy, NOT gonna happen, no way in hell. They will never admit they believe she was killed until they have a suspect in cuffs.

The closest they've come to admitting it is her inclusion on the ccu list. The ccu clearly states in their mission statement that they only investigate missing persons where "foul play is suspected" meaning they don't investigate missing people who are suspected to be lost in the woods and they don't investigate missing persons who are suspected as suicide. They will actually look pretty damn stupid if she is found to be a suicide.

Bottom line, they have conducted a true murder investigation and the FBI does not get called in for murder investigations.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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Lol, ok so it definitely wasn't bobfather. Thanks citi. Where was he from if you don't mind me asking, must've been new England if you've seen him recently and he have you his card, I would think.

Jenkins I did not say it definitley wasnt Bobfather who you were referring to. You mentioned the name Bob and I asked if it was Bobfather. Im sorry Jenkins but I will not post were he is from nor will I post his occupation that was stated on the card he gave me. I did say I met him and spent the day with him but no I never said I saw him recently.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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I don't understand this thought about the FBI being brought in, they can't really do anything that the NHSP can't.
The FBI traditionally isn't brought in on murder cases, this isn't common. Also the NHSP asking the FBI for help is pretty much them admitting that they can't handle a murder case, they're not in the business of making themselves look bad.
There is a long history of unsolved murders in Nh that were definitely murders and the FBI wasnt brought in on those, even cases that involved other states.
Consider the murder of Pamela Webb in '89, she was abducted along the Maine turnpike in biddeford, ME and her body was found a couple weeks later in Franconia. This case involved two states and the FBI still wasn't brought in, as far as I can tell.
Consider the CRV killer. This was a real serial killer tha killed people in both VT and NH. This case was investigated by the VSP and the NHSP, not the FBI. This is the kind of murder case that you would think the FBI would be brought in on and they still weren't, as far as I can tell at least. If they were brought in it was on a limited basis.
So we had a real serial killer and still no FBI.
Again, the SP asking for FBI help is them admitting that they can't handle the case, and they're not going to do that.
They've clearly investigated this case as a murder case, I don't see how anybody can disagree with that. They don't conduct the biggest investigation in NH history over something they believe is a suicide, well you would really hope not.
Doesn't mean that theyre not wrong, she could possibly be a suicide or even lost in the woods, but clearly the NHSP believes that a murder could have happened and are investigating to find the killer.
Something your missing orky is that NH's economy is based on tourism. Pretty much the last thing they're gonna do is come out and say that there's a killer on the loose in NH who killed a tourist from mass and they can't catch the guy. That is just not going to happen. They're not going to scare people from coming up for vacation by telling people toock their doors, etc. even though most people would be safer up in Nh then in their home cities in mass or CT, it's still just bad for their image. The last thing the NHSP is going to do is admit there's a killer on the loose & they can't catch the guy, NOT gonna happen, no way in hell. They will never admit they believe she was killed until they have a suspect in cuffs.
The closest they've come to admitting it is her inclusion on the ccu list. The ccu clearly states in their mission statement that they only investigate missing persons where "foul play is suspected" meaning they don't investigate missing people who are suspected to be lost in the woods and they don't investigate missing persons who are suspected as suicide. They will actually look pretty damn stupid if she is found to be a suicide.
Bottom line, they have conducted a true murder investigation and the FBI does not get called in for murder investigations.

The Boston FBI was brought in (because of the Fred Murray led media attention and the request of the family for their assistance). It had nothing to do with new hampshire police.

FBI interviewed family and friends of maura and quickly stepped out of the picture.

IMO, if the FBI had uncovered a murder taking place or a prime murder suspect, this case would've have gone in a completely different direction than what it did. The fact that the FBI interviewd people that knew maura (and then quickly bounced from participation) IMO leads me to believe that they agree with the assessment of NH police and that there is no evidence of any foul play taking place, but plenty of cirucmstanial evidence to point towards a distraught maura taking off on her own accord.

Orko Kringer wrote:

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The Boston FBI was brought in (because of the Fred Murray led media attention and the request of the family for their assistance). It had nothing to do with new hampshire police.
FBI interviewed family and friends of maura and quickly stepped out of the picture.
IMO, if the FBI had uncovered a murder taking place or a prime murder suspect, this case would've have gone in a completely different direction than what it did. The fact that the FBI interviewd people that knew maura (and then quickly bounced from participation) IMO leads me to believe that they agree with the assessment of NH police and that there is no evidence of any foul play taking place, but plenty of cirucmstanial evidence to point towards a distraught maura taking off on her own accord.

I believe that as well

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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I don't understand this thought about the FBI being brought in, they can't really do anything that the NHSP can't.
The FBI traditionally isn't brought in on murder cases, this isn't common. Also the NHSP asking the FBI for help is pretty much them admitting that they can't handle a murder case, they're not in the business of making themselves look bad.
There is a long history of unsolved murders in Nh that were definitely murders and the FBI wasnt brought in on those, even cases that involved other states.
Consider the murder of Pamela Webb in '89, she was abducted along the Maine turnpike in biddeford, ME and her body was found a couple weeks later in Franconia. This case involved two states and the FBI still wasn't brought in, as far as I can tell.
Consider the CRV killer. This was a real serial killer tha killed people in both VT and NH. This case was investigated by the VSP and the NHSP, not the FBI. This is the kind of murder case that you would think the FBI would be brought in on and they still weren't, as far as I can tell at least. If they were brought in it was on a limited basis.
So we had a real serial killer and still no FBI.
Again, the SP asking for FBI help is them admitting that they can't handle the case, and they're not going to do that.
They've clearly investigated this case as a murder case, I don't see how anybody can disagree with that. They don't conduct the biggest investigation in NH history over something they believe is a suicide, well you would really hope not.
Doesn't mean that theyre not wrong, she could possibly be a suicide or even lost in the woods, but clearly the NHSP believes that a murder could have happened and are investigating to find the killer.
Something your missing orky is that NH's economy is based on tourism. Pretty much the last thing they're gonna do is come out and say that there's a killer on the loose in NH who killed a tourist from mass and they can't catch the guy. That is just not going to happen. They're not going to scare people from coming up for vacation by telling people toock their doors, etc. even though most people would be safer up in Nh then in their home cities in mass or CT, it's still just bad for their image. The last thing the NHSP is going to do is admit there's a killer on the loose & they can't catch the guy, NOT gonna happen, no way in hell. They will never admit they believe she was killed until they have a suspect in cuffs.
The closest they've come to admitting it is her inclusion on the ccu list. The ccu clearly states in their mission statement that they only investigate missing persons where "foul play is suspected" meaning they don't investigate missing people who are suspected to be lost in the woods and they don't investigate missing persons who are suspected as suicide. They will actually look pretty damn stupid if she is found to be a suicide.
Bottom line, they have conducted a true murder investigation and the FBI does not get called in for murder investigations.

Bob said:***Pretty much the last thing they're gonna do is come out and say that there's a killer on the loose in NH who killed a tourist from mass and they can't catch the guy. That is just not going to happen.***
How could they say that when there is no proof that she was even killed? Have you heard that any evidence has been found that proves she's been killed? There was no signs of a struggle and no body has been found so I fail to see how anyone can say as a fact that she was murdered.

Mike- Welcome to the forum, that's a very interesting first post.
Honestly what your saying is exactly what I HOPE happened to her and I believe that it is possible she went off and started a new life. IMO this is a more likely scenario then her committing suicide or walking into the woods through 2.5' of snow at night when she was already freezing.
The thing about this is she could be living right in NH and its very possible nobody has recognized her. Some people on this forum seem to think that there is no way moody would've noticed her by now but that is just not true. I'd say 90% of NH residents don't even know she is missing, let alone know what she looks like and be able to identify her, especially if she dyed her hair and started wearing makeup.
Think about how easy it would be for a sweet, beautiful girl like her to find some guy to let her move in. There are many guys who'd gladly let her move in and pay for everything. Very possible this guy has no idea she's missing. If he's like most guys who go to work in the day and go home and watch sports or family guy or something and never watches the news he might have no clue, particularly if she did meet him online and gave him a fake name.
You make a great point about her not wanting to go home and answer questions. No matter what the family says, after those candles get blown out she's eventually gonna have some serious explaining to do. It seems like her family put a lot of pressure on her, she could have a very easy life now with no responsibilities and just enjoying herself. It's possible the Hadley accident put her over the edge, I think Fred was pissed and was probably mean to her about it, I feel this is why he feels so guilty. It's possible she thought to herself "geez, I can't even get into an accident without being yelled at". I honesty hope to god that this is what happened to her; she felt under too much pressure and just wanted to get away. She got away to chill with some guy, was having a great time, and just never came back.
My current GF, we met each other at a concert and started chilling together; we started hanging together one night and from that night on there was literally over 2 years that we never spent a night apart. It's funny bc she's from mass and I'm from NH, one night she came to my house and didn't leave for like over 3 months until she had to go back to school, at umass Amherst ironically, and then I actually rented a house in Amherst for us. She could've just moved in with me in NH and I would've been more than happy about it, certainly never would've asked her if she ran away from mass, who would think that? I can just see a girl who is under a lot of pressure wanting to get away and falling for a nice guy who's willing to let her move in. Who's gonna question her as to why she doesn't speak to her parents? Who's gonna question a beautiful girl who's nice and fun to hang out with??
Your theory here is a possibility, especially when you consider the fact that she actually expressed a desire to do just that to one of her last bf's, who she was together with while she was with billy btw, she told him she wanted to run away and start a new life. When he heard she was missing his first thought was: "omg she actually did it" or something to that effect. So the theory that she found a new bf isn't that far fetched.

As jwb suggested a couple weeks ago, that a campaign to put up missing posters all over the region could be a very useful thing to do. Several thousand posters put up at every bar, gas stations, hiking trails, ski areas, etc etc..
That's an interesting theory mike, it could have some merit, thanks for sharing it.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Bob said:***Pretty much the last thing they're gonna do is come out and say that there's a killer on the loose in NH who killed a tourist from mass and they can't catch the guy. That is just not going to happen.***
How could they say that when there is no proof that she was even killed? Have you heard that any evidence has been found that proves she's been killed? There was no signs of a struggle and no body has been found so I fail to see how anyone can say as a fact that she was murdered.

Your totally right here wowzer, nobody can say for a fact she was murdered or anything else until her body is recovered. I certainly wasn't trying to state she was murdered as a fact, I agree with mike that there is a possibility she is alive and living a new life.

I said that the NHSP is never going to come out and say they believe she was murdered unless someone is in cuffs or they absolutely have to(her body being found with definite evidence of murder for example).
There is no way that the NHSP is going to admit that they believe she was killed; that would not only mean that there's a killer on the loose but also that they can't catch the guy. That's not gonna happen, they're not in the business of making themselves look bad.
I believe them putting her on the ccu list was a huge step, that is basically them finally admitting that they believe foul play in this case. Well that's at least what the ccu's mission statement says.: "missing persons where foul play is suspected"
I thought that was huge, that is them admitting that foul play IS suspected.

Orko Kringer wrote:

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The Boston FBI was brought in (because of the Fred Murray led media attention and the request of the family for their assistance). It had nothing to do with new hampshire police.
FBI interviewed family and friends of maura and quickly stepped out of the picture.
IMO, if the FBI had uncovered a murder taking place or a prime murder suspect, this case would've have gone in a completely different direction than what it did. The fact that the FBI interviewd people that knew maura (and then quickly bounced from participation) IMO leads me to believe that they agree with the assessment of NH police and that there is no evidence of any foul play taking place, but plenty of cirucmstanial evidence to point towards a distraught maura taking off on her own accord.

Orky- your missing the point that the FBI DID offer to help them investigate but their help was refused by the NHSP, the NHSP just had them interview people in her hometown. So it did have something to do with the NH LE; they offered the NHSP help and the NHSP asked them just to interview people from her hometown.
The FBI can't investigate in NH unless their help is requested, they offered and were denied, except for limited help in mass.

And I don't see what different direction the case could have took, they've investigated 6,000 hours! That is a massive investigation. Also we know for a fact that they DIDN't investigate all leads, they still hadn't even looked into her final phone calls 8.5 months later. That tells me that had a really good idea that her last phone call had nothing to do with what happened to her. That makes me think they had a pretty good idea of what happened here but just don't have the evidence to make a conviction.
So if they Didn't follow every lead, what were they doing for all those hours? They certainly weren't looking in the woods for her body. IMO they were building a murder prosecution, doing everything they could with the info/evidence that they had; taking it as far as it could go without her body.

I believe they have a murder prosecution ready to go for as soon as they find her body, they're waiting for their suspect/suspects to make a mistake so they can finally get that search warrant that they've requested in the past.

But I really don't see what you mean by different direction, how much more work can they possibly put in than 6,000 hours?? That is a blatant murder investigation, well beyond just following leads.

Something I find very interesting: when the FBI reviewed Maura and Brianna's cases they stated that they believe bri was a victim of foul play and Maura ran away. The FBI seems to agree with Mikey's theory that she ran away and started a new life.

[QUOTE/]That's an interesting theory mike, it could have some merit, thanks for sharing it.
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Bob, 2 more things. I don't know much about the job she had, but security work sounds like a job with a lot of down time staring at a computer. I know her home computer has been sent into forensics, but what about her computer at work, if she used one there? I used to do some online dating years ago, and know of a lot of girls that would have match.com profiles, merely as a means to pass the time away at work and find someone to talk to during the day while working, etc. Regardless, that computer certainly could have been a safer means to communicate with some people or anything she may have been planning. Do you know if that computer has ever been checked out.
I also have another really far-fetched theory. If she really is responsible for this hit and run. Upon her return from where she was, she stood to be in a lot of trouble if ever found guilty of this. Possible jail time and some hefty lawsuits. I wonder if there is a chance that her father knows where she is. He'd have to be one hell of an actor and putting in an immense amount of work to mask this whole thing. At the same time, I don't think there are too many dads out there that would turn their own daughter in. It could have been advised that she run, getaway, and stay away. It is somewhat coincidental that one of the locations she looked up was a place the family had frequented before. I really don't think that she was murdered, though you can never rule it out. I also don't think she commited suicide. Is there really that much uninhibited land out there that she could be lying in without being discovered in 8 years? I think the most likely scenario is she is alive and living under a new alias, and you're right it could very well be in the very area. I don't think someone stages an accident in the middle of nowhere in an unfamiliar road. Maybe she had the insurance forms with her from the previous accident cause the father had intended to meet her up there and help her start this new life. I think that is where she was headed, but the accident wasn't part of the plan, and in a panic mode she had to think fast, took whatever she could walk with, and quickly called whoever she was intending to meet to come and get her before she could be caught roadside with alcohol on her breath in a car that had damage to it that could possibly be linked to a hit and run in town. I think that accident assured herself that she was moving on with life elsewhere. I know this all sounds crazy, but in my mind it just seems like the most likely scenario, and by you stating that the FBI got out of this, they probably believe so too.
- Mike

Orko Kringer wrote:

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Jenky,
I am not disputing that police haven't honestly put time into this case.
I would say, however, that the distinction is that they have followed up leads (in hopes of leading to a body recovery), not pursued a murder or murderer.
If you look back, and re-read about some of the aspects of this case that would suggest some sort of foul play (rusty knife, found clothing by accident, a-frame house and dogs going bonkers etc..) those weren't things that police uncovered and let the family know about, it was the other way around.
so in your theory (that police are dilligently seeking out a killer) why are the family the ones coming to police with the clues. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

Orky- what evidence do you have that suggests they're investigating to recover her body rather than find a killer? What have they done that indicates that?
They've done criminal background checks, checked military record, personall records, search warrants, grand jury subpoenas, polygraphs, Witness interviews, have written witnes statements, photos and even done some sort of one-party intercept/recording of some sort. This is all classic murder investigation techniques.

They've done no ground searches since '04 that I'm aware of, never really did very many ground searches even in '04; they've done no searches near any of her favorite hiking spots or anything like that.
So what do you see that indicates they're investigating for a body recovery and not a killer?
Everything I've seen indicates they are looking for a killer, not her body in the woods. How do criminal records checks help find her in the woods?

And re: what you said about LE bringing clues to the family, no it definitely should not be the other way around. LE has made it very clear that they are not giving clues or any clues they've found to the family. They are giving the family exactly nothing except their word that they are investigating the case, and rightfully so. Giving clues to Fred could completely ruin the case, that is what the whole point of fighting Fred FOIA request in court. Even the PI team has sad they will only share clues/info discovered with LE, NOT the family or public. They are trying to build a case for a conviction, not to give to Fred to potentially ruin the evidence.

On the other hand the family is, and should be, trying to find clues to bring to LE in order to help them solve the case.
It is very clear LE is not going to bring any clues to the family.

What evidence is there that they are trying to recover her body?

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Bob, 2 more things. I don't know much about the job she had, but security work sounds like a job with a lot of down time staring at a computer. I know her home computer has been sent into forensics, but what about her computer at work, if she used one there? I used to do some online dating years ago, and know of a lot of girls that would have match.com profiles, merely as a means to pass the time away at work and find someone to talk to during the day while working, etc. Regardless, that computer certainly could have been a safer means to communicate with some people or anything she may have been planning. Do you know if that computer has ever been checked out.

I'm like 99% sure she didn't have a computer at her desk at the security job. Basically it is just a desk she sat at and she would check people's id's and sign them in when they came into the building. It seems like she originally was just plannin on getting away for the week, hence the death in the family excuse which would give her an excused absence. There's no need for that if your leaving forever. I think the accident changed her plans. It's also possible that she got wherever she was going and was having a great time and just never looked back, she didn't want to return to all the pressure her family and school and work put on her.
She couldn't have used her phone where she was, there was no cell service and even to this day very little, so she couldn't have called anyone but it seems very possible she knew a friend was going to be coming along behind her any minute. If you read the witness statements it sounds very possible she knew she had a ride coming along. She was in the middle of nowhere, she didn't sound very concerned about gettin a ride. There was the red truck with mass plates in the area at the exact same time who was clearly looking for someone specific, it is very possible she knew this person and they were looking for her. Finding the driver of the red truck could be an extremely important step for this investigation.
Unless Fred killed her himself, which could be a possibility here, I don't think he knows where she is. He clearly feels very guilty about something, I think he feels like he is responsible for making her want to run off in the first place. I think if she did run off and start a new life Fred has no idea where she is and the pressure he put on her is probably the reason for her running off, well a main reason.
I gotta say though, the thing that makes me think she really didn't start a new life is the fact that her mother died after a long bout with cancer a couple years ago. I can't see her not coming back to see her mom before she died. At that point it was clear that she was in no trouble for the vasi hit and run(if she was involved), Amherst never even investigated the hit and run!
So she was in the clear, she had no legal troubles to be runnin from. I can see her not wanting to answer questions from her family but her mom was dying, I would think wanting to see her mom one last time would trump any embarrassment. This is one major reason I think it's more likely she got killed then started a new life.
But it's still possible she started a new life and is truly enjoying herself, doesn't feel any pressure on her and wants nothing to do with her old life.
It's also theoretically possible she has no idea her mom even died, I don't believe her mom had cancer when she left so it's possible she thinks everyone is alive and well. It's also possible she has no idea about the search for her. Some people on topix may find this hard to believe but there are still a lot of people out there that don't have the Internet. There's even more people that don't watch the news, or rarely do..
& the FBI didn't exactly get out of it, actually they tried to get Into it. They offered their help to the NHSP and their help was refused.

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Again, just to keep things straight. It was CW not SBD who said they sighted a person running down there, possibly Maura.
So here is one of your answers of why I do what I do. Not just entertainment. To keep the bullshit from spreading when people who don't know what they are talking about try speaking like an authority and spout off about stuff they apparently don't know about.
Bill

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Really? Did you or anyone else correct it? So when someone, maybe new, in a day or a week, or several weeks talks about SBD seeing Maura near Rt 116. Either here or on one of the other sites. They would have read it here. And they would have been correct about reading it. Then comes the herculean task of undoing it.
Bill

Bill, come on, this is a tiny mistake, I bet most people didn't even notice it.. I didn't..
Anybody that follows this case knows the cw had the sighing up by 116, there isn't exactly a danger of people starting to say the sbd reported the sighting.

Then it becomes a "Herculean" task undoing it? Really?? You can't be serious here can you? I made one stupid silly mistake where I wrote sbd instead of cw. I obviously know it was the cw, just like everybody else who's read enough about he case to be commenting on it. Every other mention of the sighting by 116 is attributed to the cw. Nobody repeated it or is going to repeat it.. That was blatantly obvious. That was writing the wrong abbreviation on accident, not spreading bullshit, obviously. Lol

Fine correct me on it, I can see that if you wanna nit-pick, but to then say your "keeping the bullshit from being spread" is just, well, total bullshit. That isn't preventing bullshit from being spread, that's nit-picking, its weak-ass bullshit.
Seems like your not here to prevent the spread of bullshit at all, but rather the spread of any other theory except 'she's lost in the woods'. Why don't you call out fakeLE or some of the other people when they say something that's directly contradictory to what LE or a witness has stated on record? It happens all the time and your no where to be found on that. And what about you? All those times you stated she was drunk or intoxicated as if it was a fact, even though it directly contradicts what the sbd and the other witnesses reported? Your whole 'stopping the spread of bullshit' bullshit is total bullshit. You could care less about the bullshit if it agrees with your theory, I find that interesting.
Something that doesnt agree with your theory, your all over it, nit-picking the tiniest of details, like transposed abbreviations. Lol, good job, you got to correct a tiny mistake I made, would you like a gold star?

And bill im still waiting for your evidence that shack "poisoned the area". I asked you this a couple days ago, maybe you missed it so I'll ask again.
It seems like you confusing the Internet with real life here buddy because I see no evidence of any poisoning. If you can show me evidence of it I'll gladly admit that she poisoned the area.
I'm talking real damage, in the real world. I'm telling you, your never gonns hear "oh that lady shack on topix poisoned the area now im not gonna help find Maura if I could". I've never heard anything like that outside of this thread on topix.
Most people don't even know these forums exist, let alone what's being said on them.
The vast vast majority of people in the Haverhill and surrounding area would be happy to help find Maura if they could, and the vast vast majority have no idea about these forums too.
The fact is that she's said some stupid things before, but your constant bullshiting about her poisoning the area" is just completely ridiculous. I've seen absolutely no evidence of this outside people saying it on topix. What your saying is a gross exaggeration.
The weird thing is that when I started posting again earlier this year I read your crying about shack and thought "holy shit, she must have said some crazy shit in the past 2 years while I wasn't really paying attention". But then the other day wowzer offered up as"evidence" her saying that shack conducted this "poisoning" on the original MM forum, saying something to the effect of "you weren't there, you didn't see the hateful, venomous things she said back then". Well I was a member back then and that is a complete and total over-exaggeration. She might've said some stupid things about LE and a select few other people but she certainly wasn't "hateful and venomous". It's funy, because I remember her as a kindly old lady that really cared about Maura.
Your constant crying about shack is just ridiculous, your statement about her "poisoning the area" isn't a complete exaggeration IMO.
So where is it? Where's your evidence of this poisoning? And I'm not talking about digging up some stupid post, I'm talking about legitimate evidence that this area has been poisoned in the real world.
And when are you saying she poisoned the area? Back on the MM forum or in more recent years??
Were you even on the original MM forum? I definitely don't remember anyone names WTH.
How big of an area are you talkin? The 5 houses near the crash? The neighborhood? The whole town? The walls north country? If your just talking about the neighborhood, then maybe I'll give you that, but the whole area? Come on dude

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

Most people don't even know these forums exist, let alone what's being said on them.

You would be surprised at how many people monitor this forum.. Im sure not every day or even every week, but it is monitored by Real LE.. I promise you this..

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Bill, come on, this is a tiny mistake, I bet most people didn't even notice it.. I didn't..

Your correct. Most people didn't notice it. Mores the pity. And the only time we would have heard about it is when it came back as "fact". Someone would have come over here and read that. Then they go over to webslothes or some other forum and they start talking about it. This might start a day or a month from now. It get churned around, over and over and over and no one knows that it is bullshit. Of course because of shack, many people already have SBD on their radar as some kind of a suspect. So, it all makes sense to them. Then eventually it comes back here. Everyone is initially confused and then the "cleaning of the bullshit" occurs. Takes time, lots of arguments because they know what they read, and they did read it. It's in the record. Of course checking the source never occurs to them. Yep, anyone can make a mistake. Proofreading keeps it from becoming bullshit that has to be removed from "common knowledge".

Bill

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Scuse me young'un, but I'm afraid we're going to have to card you before you can accept any offers from the bartender.

I think the Bobfather just tried to whack me with back to back to back to back back posts. How do I move into the topix protection program?

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You would be surprised at how many people monitor this forum.. Im sure not every day or even every week, but it is monitored by Real LE.. I promise you this..

Most definitely LE monitors this site, from time to time at least, as evidenced by the fact that included in their investigation, what they had listed as evidence in the court case with Fred was a print out of the websleuths forum. I find that highly interesting, I wonder what part of the MM discussion they think is important enough to include as part of their investigation. Seems strange to me.

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Your correct. Most people didn't notice it. Mores the pity. And the only time we would have heard about it is when it came back as "fact". Someone would have come over here and read that. Then they go over to webslothes or some other forum and they start talking about it. This might start a day or a month from now. It get churned around, over and over and over and no one knows that it is bullshit. Of course because of shack, many people already have SBD on their radar as some kind of a suspect. So, it all makes sense to them. Then eventually it comes back here. Everyone is initially confused and then the "cleaning of the bullshit" occurs. Takes time, lots of arguments because they know what they read, and they did read it. It's in the record. Of course checking the source never occurs to them. Yep, anyone can make a mistake. Proofreading keeps it from becoming bullshit that has to be removed from "common knowledge".
Bill

Lol, wow bill, you can really talk some bullshit when you want to huh?. You can't actually Believe some of the crap that you write sometimes can you??

This post is hilarious, wanna talk about the spreading of bullshit?? Read the quoted text of this post. It's some pure, unadulterated bullshit.
LOL

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Lol, wow bill, you can really talk some bullshit when you want to huh?. You can't actually Believe some of the crap that you write sometimes can you??
This post is hilarious, wanna talk about the spreading of bullshit?? Read the quoted text of this post. It's some pure, unadulterated bullshit.
LOL

Jenkins - do you think its fair to have the house that you lived in at some point put in a forum of a missing girl, and to have people mention that there was blood found on a carpet? Do you think it helps when you have your name attached to the house through a forum?