Maura Murray

JWB wrote:

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dude- LOL there is either a huddle or waffle house at every intersection down south. never heard of biscuitville sounds like high carbs.

:) thas wassup nintendo!

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Jeesh JWB calm down. A simple yes or no would have been fine.
You are the only one that I can think of here that ISP addy jumps from Lincoln,NH to Portland ME. Maybe you use a cell phone which shows a different addy than your home computer. I dunno.
Was just wondering since pointless11 showed Portland, ME. Strange how you got so upset over a simple question.
Oh, if I go to VA I think it would be great to have breakfast with Emmett.I doubt we'll go to the waffle house though.

I said it was not me ok- geeze seems like this is the only game you play these days. i am just tired of you on my back for everything. I don't here anything from you about maura at all and i don't get it. No thought, no theories and no input about maura. I only hear attacks on shack- jenkins and me and virtual dinner.

By the way wowzer, anybody with time warner will bounce all over like that with their IP.

Whered Neil & Bob go?

Now you guys are making me hungry and I wanna go to Waffle House.

Emmett Dove wrote:

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:) thas wassup nintendo!

what does that mean? ha ha you don't know frozen ponds and i don't know street talk.

ha ha ha I got it dude - played like nintendo- My wife hates waffle house also so I should have known. I might have had beeter ammo if I had been to huddle house before. we have Denny's here in NH and it is no waffle house.

amy researches wrote:

Now you guys are making me hungry and I wanna go to Waffle House.

Theres a nice breakfast dinner on southside near the naval academy ;-)

amy researches wrote:

Now you guys are making me hungry and I wanna go to Waffle House.

go 1 mile to the next intersection and it is on your right.

JWB wrote:

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what does that mean? ha ha you don't know frozen ponds and i don't know street talk.

Nuthin bad brah! Im jus playin! If u cant have a lil laugh n life, no need to live.. But im sure u know what a Nintendo is.. U said u hve kids..

Emmett I really don't see what your talking about saying this looks like snitch papers. The numbers followed by abbreviations are the case numbers as far as I can tell.

What your saying about the discovery phase is definitely true, a snitch can't stay secret forever If the defendant is taking the case to trial. Upon discovery the prosecution needs to show how the case started to determine that true probable cause existed.
So the papers your talking about are what the defense learns in discovery. These papers are not discovery documents, this is a traditional arrest report.
The first page looks weird to me, namely the sentence, but the rest of it looks like a traditional arrest report. I don't see what your talking about here but that is interesting.
Could there be more to this? Could that be the reason for the ridiculously light sentence? I suppose it's possible, but it seems unlikely to me. Only thing that makes that seem possible to me is the light sentence, if that sentence is even accurate. But say she did snitch on someone, whoever sold her the adderrall for example. Not saying that happened, just using it as an example. Let's say she did, it would be months and months before that person ever got to the discovery phase and learned that Maura snitched on him, if it even got that far. Most cases are plead out long before it ever reaches that. That'd sure put an interesting twist on this case, but nothing I've ever seen or read makes me think that's a possibility here.

To me it looks like she left school out of shear embarrassment, or possibly was suspended. she caught that charge at the end of the first semester, that means she should've had a disciplinary hearing at the beginning of the second semester. Did she have that hearing and nobody knows about it? It's very possible, I can see her not telling her family about it, maybe wanting to get away for a week to think about how to break the news to her family that she'd been suspended.
My question is would umass make it public that she got suspended after she went missing? I can see them maybe leaving that little tidbit out once it appeared she was truly missing. Schools can be weird about PR and maybe they chose to kept that Fact quiet because they thought it would make them look bad. Idk, hard to say, but I can't see her not at least being on disciplinary probation.

JWB wrote:

ha ha ha I got it dude - played like nintendo- My wife hates waffle house also so I should have known. I might have had beeter ammo if I had been to huddle house before. we have Denny's here in NH and it is no waffle house.

:) lol.. But the part of VA she talking bout, have to hit the Marriot for breakfast! Love the Hamptons!! If ya gonna go2 breakfast & show some1 around.. Give'em somethin 2 remember!! Maybe a murder mystery dinner theater.. A nice Spa.. Manies, pedis, facials, hair... Gotta do it up.. All wit a southern drawl!!!

Bobjenkins-OG wrote:

Emmett I really don't see what your talking about saying this looks like snitch papers. The numbers followed by abbreviations are the case numbers as far as I can tell.
What your saying about the discovery phase is definitely true, a snitch can't stay secret forever If the defendant is taking the case to trial. Upon discovery the prosecution needs to show how the case started to determine that true probable cause existed.
So the papers your talking about are what the defense learns in discovery. These papers are not discovery documents, this is a traditional arrest report.
The first page looks weird to me, namely the sentence, but the rest of it looks like a traditional arrest report. I don't see what your talking about here but that is interesting.
Could there be more to this? Could that be the reason for the ridiculously light sentence? I suppose it's possible, but it seems unlikely to me. Only thing that makes that seem possible to me is the light sentence, if that sentence is even accurate. But say she did snitch on someone, whoever sold her the adderrall for example. Not saying that happened, just using it as an example. Let's say she did, it would be months and months before that person ever got to the discovery phase and learned that Maura snitched on him, if it even got that far. Most cases are plead out long before it ever reaches that. That'd sure put an interesting twist on this case, but nothing I've ever seen or read makes me think that's a possibility here.
To me it looks like she left school out of shear embarrassment, or possibly was suspended. she caught that charge at the end of the first semester, that means she should've had a disciplinary hearing at the beginning of the second semester. Did she have that hearing and nobody knows about it? It's very possible, I can see her not telling her family about it, maybe wanting to get away for a week to think about how to break the news to her family that she'd been suspended.
My question is would umass make it public that she got suspended after she went missing? I can see them maybe leaving that little tidbit out once it appeared she was truly missing. Schools can be weird about PR and maybe they chose to kept that Fact quiet because they thought it would make them look bad. Idk, hard to say, but I can't see her not at least being on disciplinary probation.

Idk all the terms but i do know if u had 3 customers & suddenly ur n trouble & 2 r ur friends & 1 is a college friend.. Someones gettn blamed!! B4 court!!! You kno tha deal.. Im sure u kno tha drill..
"Pretend inferoirty & encourage his arrogance" - good quote to live by..

JWB wrote:

If maura is dead or alive, I would think posters placed along with hitting the local papers again might be worth a shot. This case needs another piece of info or someone to come forward. If it were my daughter, I would continue to get her pic and name out there.
I have said it many times,many if not most locals here are not familier with the case as it is so far back in ther mind now.
Many missing cases unfortnately go on for many years )20,30,40+, but this case is less than 10 years old so there is a slight chance to jog a memory t0 get someone to come forward.

I agree jwb, the area should be plastered with missing posters, particularly this winter around the anniversary. There are a lot of people that only
Visit nh in winter to go skiing & it is very possible one of these people picked her up and didn't know she went missing after.

Like you said, most people even in NH have no idea about this case, forget about people out of state.

I just cant see why the family wouldn't want missing posters all over the place. Apparently many were taken down, but put em back up, how much does this really cost to print out a couple thousand copies of missing posters? They should be up at every ski area, every gas station truck stop and bar all over the area.
I found it very strange that citigirl seemed to rebuff this idea?

Does the family not want missing posters up?

The only thing that's going to bring this case to a close at this point is a new witness coming forward. I know there's some posters that seem to think that a witness wouldn't come forward if they had info but that's total bullshit. The majority of people in the state have no idea this case even happened, let along that people are discussing it online. It's pretty clear that if someone had useful info they would come forward to LE, they don't need to post it on a forum, bring it to LE.

Something like that needs to be done to break the stalemate of this case.

Ok.. Maybe not a snitch.. But if we runnin theories.. How she get caught at WP & get to Umass so easily??? Nothins ever as it seems.. Occams Razor would even work with some theories.. Why all the mentions of drugs in the area? Remeber, we both read this whole thread.. Why people callin me a mafia capo? Whats up with the mafia angle??

Dont make sense.. How u vanish in 10 minutes??????????

Emmett Dove wrote:

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Idk all the terms but i do know if u had 3 customers & suddenly ur n trouble & 2 r ur friends & 1 is a college friend.. Someones gettn blamed!! B4 court!!! You kno tha deal.. Im sure u kno tha drill..
"Pretend inferoirty & encourage his arrogance" - good quote to live by..

I see what your saying and that an interesting thought. It's probably unlikely judging how there's never been any talk like that but it could be possible. Knowing what we know it's impossible to say at this point.

I don't think anyone is actually trying to say there's a mafia angle to this, I think that was beagle at first making a silly theory to piss you off and then some asshole who doesn't like you continuing the stupidity.
There's absolutely nothing to suggest anything mafia related, she wasn't even italian & I don't think any of her friends were either.
And I havenn't heard too much about drugs meaning related to this case. The only drug connection I've heard is the person who apparently is the suspect they mentioned in the court case is supposedly involved in the drug world in woodsville. Definitely rumors going around the drug community that this guy is responsible and has even supposedly been heard bragging on it; apparently a couple members of his his family have said they think he's responsible too. I've heard this from two different sources; one online and another offline not related to this thread at all.

Apparently this guy poured a concrete slab in the time after Maura dissapeared and LE tried to get a warrant to run a ground penetrating radar over the slab. This rumor is going around the drug world, but I've also heard that particular thing from a third source completely unrelated to this thread and definitely not connected to the drug world. I consider this person extremely reliable so I have no doubt this happened. I wish I could tell this who this source is but there's no way in hell. I just find it interesting the GPR thing is going around he drug world and I heard it from a completely different and reliable source.

So this guy is connected to the drug world but that should have nothing to do with her dissapearance.
Think of this: she's shivering and she's scared of the cops; some nice lookin younger guy comes up and offers to take her up the road to his house to let her use the phone. What do you think she's going to do? Is she gonna refuse a warm ride from a kid that seems nice so she can instead go into the woods through 2.5' of snow wearing sneakers and jeans? At that moment some nice kid showing up was probably exactly what she was hoping for.

Besides, with all the snow on the ground the woods would be the worst place to hide ever. They can just follow your trail right into the woods, anyone would've known that. Catching a ride from some kid is a much better way to get away from the scene. We know the FD did a search of the area looking fr a trail that night, the whole FD was there because they were having a meeting that night. It just makes sense she caught a ride.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Surry Va. One of these days I'll take them up on their invite and go see them. Good to know there's interesting things to see there.

Theres soooo much stuff to do! You'd be around the Chesapeake Bay, & in that area its full of sail boats & you can sail around all day!.. VA beach is bought 45mins from there.. DC & the Smithsonian is bout an hour.. VA Nautical & Marine Biology Wildlife Center.. UVA, College of William & Mary, theres a ski resort near UVA.. I could go on & on about it! Its IMO the nicest place in VA.. Im at the Blue Ridge Mountains but when you live near mtns all the time, its more things to do in that part of the state..

Plus you'd be at the biggest Naval Base in the US.. You can take tours & walk on battleships & stuff.. Plus, if you like vineyards, there are quite a few & the Williamsburg Winery supplies the Gov of VA & The White House!! Its only $15 to go there for a full day of tasting & having a lil fun while learning.. Plus its cheaper than going to a store to get their products! They also have a bed n breakfast thing at the winery..

Colonial Williamsburg is a nice sized city thats preserved by the Historical Society.. They re-create battles, play fifes & drums, you can take carriage rides, the orignal mansions of the English before the war are there.. It takes a good 3 day weekend just to see half the stuff..

Historic Jamestowne & Jamestown are different.. At HJ you can watch the live arcalogical dig where the found the orignal Jamestowne from 1607!! & its beside the bay!

Yorktown is where we won our independence & they have where Gen Cornwallace surrendered & his bunker.. The battlefield, Presidents Park where every US President has a 50ft bust.. Then you have the beach..

All in all its a very interesting a fun place! Sorry for rambling, but I love that area, its so beautiful & historic with so much "clean fun" that its a "breath of fresh air"...

Bobjenkins-OG wrote:

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I agree jwb, the area should be plastered with missing posters, particularly this winter around the anniversary. There are a lot of people that only
Visit nh in winter to go skiing & it is very possible one of these people picked her up and didn't know she went missing after.
Like you said, most people even in NH have no idea about this case, forget about people out of state.
I just cant see why the family wouldn't want missing posters all over the place. Apparently many were taken down, but put em back up, how much does this really cost to print out a couple thousand copies of missing posters? They should be up at every ski area, every gas station truck stop and bar all over the area.
I found it very strange that citigirl seemed to rebuff this idea?
Does the family not want missing posters up?
The only thing that's going to bring this case to a close at this point is a new witness coming forward. I know there's some posters that seem to think that a witness wouldn't come forward if they had info but that's total bullshit. The majority of people in the state have no idea this case even happened, let along that people are discussing it online. It's pretty clear that if someone had useful info they would come forward to LE, they don't need to post it on a forum, bring it to LE.
Something like that needs to be done to break the stalemate of this case.

May I suggest that you go back and read JWBs postings and my replies to him concerning putting posters up. Nowhere did I ever tell people not to put up posters. There have been people from NH and other areas that not only put posters up but continue to search for Maura to this day. Posters are put up but someone keeps removing them.

Bobjenkins-OG wrote:

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A Nolle Prosequi does NOT exist in Massachusetts, ask any mass attorney. A mass attorney will say something to the effect of: in mass it's called a CWOF.
In ct and most states it's called a nolle, in mass the similar thing is called a CWOF but a nolle is not an option in mass.
The other comment I wanna make about what you said is that if she had to check into probation for those 3 months that should have been listed on the sentence. It should have said something about needing to appear at probation.
All I'm saying is that first page of those documents doesn't really make any sense knowing what I know about the mass court system.

Jenkins:

Respectfully, I don't have to ask a Mass. attorney. Although I am admittedly not knowledgeable on Mass. law - I am familiar with case law, LexisNexis, legal research, and understanding/interpreting statutes.
I assure you that 'nolle' as you call it - Nolle Prosequi - does, in fact, exist, despite your post above. It's a dismissal of the charges by the prosecution.
While I understand that you think I don't know what I am talking about, I do - I wouldn't state it as fact, if it weren't true.
While your interpretation of other issues surrounding this subject may be on point, your statement above...
where you state, unequivocally, that a Nolle Prosequi does NOT exist in Massachusetts...
is patently false.
Some of Bill's posts about you are starting to make sense - you run with supposed 'facts' and draw inferences from those false facts - and it's frustrating.

Bobjenkins-OG wrote:

Emmett I really don't see what your talking about saying this looks like snitch papers. The numbers followed by abbreviations are the case numbers as far as I can tell.
What your saying about the discovery phase is definitely true, a snitch can't stay secret forever If the defendant is taking the case to trial. Upon discovery the prosecution needs to show how the case started to determine that true probable cause existed.
So the papers your talking about are what the defense learns in discovery. These papers are not discovery documents, this is a traditional arrest report.
The first page looks weird to me, namely the sentence, but the rest of it looks like a traditional arrest report. I don't see what your talking about here but that is interesting.
Could there be more to this? Could that be the reason for the ridiculously light sentence? I suppose it's possible, but it seems unlikely to me. Only thing that makes that seem possible to me is the light sentence, if that sentence is even accurate. But say she did snitch on someone, whoever sold her the adderrall for example. Not saying that happened, just using it as an example. Let's say she did, it would be months and months before that person ever got to the discovery phase and learned that Maura snitched on him, if it even got that far. Most cases are plead out long before it ever reaches that. That'd sure put an interesting twist on this case, but nothing I've ever seen or read makes me think that's a possibility here.
To me it looks like she left school out of shear embarrassment, or possibly was suspended. she caught that charge at the end of the first semester, that means she should've had a disciplinary hearing at the beginning of the second semester. Did she have that hearing and nobody knows about it? It's very possible, I can see her not telling her family about it, maybe wanting to get away for a week to think about how to break the news to her family that she'd been suspended.
My question is would umass make it public that she got suspended after she went missing? I can see them maybe leaving that little tidbit out once it appeared she was truly missing. Schools can be weird about PR and maybe they chose to kept that Fact quiet because they thought it would make them look bad. Idk, hard to say, but I can't see her not at least being on disciplinary probation.

I'm of the opinion that she was not a confidential informant - even if she were, you would most definitely NOT be able to garner that information from blacked-out information on random sheets in an FOIA request. It would have been exempt from any FOIA request.