Maura Murray

Omg Paris! That really happened to you?!

Do you know why these people were trying to hard to run you off the road?

And you said they've successfully ran you of the road before as well? Why did they do that???
Did it have something to do with you challenging the DUI arrest, was it something else altogether or do you not know?

That's some crazy shit right there, glad to hear your ok. Good thing you held your ground, better to bump fenders with this nut than to go off the road into a ditch and likely get killed flipping over in your car!

WTH-the-original wrote:

OK. Since you are all behaving so nicely. Now you get the bus story.
Several years ago, we get called to the scene of a bus crash, not in our town. Middle of the winter, weather is absolutely horrible, snow, ice and freezing rain. All the surrounding towns are there, they have been called also. Our town is cut in half by an interstate that is a main thoroughfare between Boston and New York City. Like I said, this call wasn't in our town but a lot of help was needed. We get on scene and there aren't that many people near the bus. Didn't think this was going to be too bad, not many injuries and most are minor. Then we start seeing more and more people coming out of the treeline dressed in all manner of ways. What the hell? Like I said, this was a bus company that traveled between Boston and NYC and that is all it did, back and forth. Winds up that many of the people were drug couriers. Now I'm not talking French Connection drug couriers, I'm talking small time people transporting drugs, but enough to spend a fair amount of time in prison if caught. After the bus crash, many of them ran off into the woods to dump what drugs they had knowing that the state police were going to be coming shortly.
So there is more than one reason to run off into the woods in sneakers.
Bill

Really bill??
It was a bus full of drug couriers running drugs up to Boston from NYC??? ohhhhhh, that makes sense now. Lol.

Last I checked the vast majority of drugs that are meant to be sold are transported by car in this country, not by $5 one way bolt buses.
A bus is actually probably a pretty good way to transport drugs as your not likely to get pulled over and searched but a whole bus full of drug runners??
Oh and btw, how did you know they were drug mules?? Did they come out and tell you"oh I ran into the woods to hide my drugs"???

Does that story not sound suspiciously made up to anyone else? Did everyone else here actually believe that story? Is it just me??

Oh and I love the whole "you've all been so good now you get the bus story" lol, as if he's our dad and he's blessing us with this story.

I smell.....bullshit!!! Or should I call it BILLshit??

Another quick comment on the ice fishing thing that shack said and bill was worried about 'going viral'
That theory is old as hell, probably one of the oldest. That theory was proposed way back in '04 when people first read sbd say he went down to French pond where there's ice fishing shanties.

If it hasn't gone viral in the last 8.5 years I don't think there's that big of a concern about it going viral now because shack made one post bringing it up..

elphalba wrote:

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Dumb assumption. I have had near death experiences while surfing and I was up on my board as soon as physically able to be. Once recovered, Reagan didn't go into some bunker for fear that some nutjob will shoot him again for Jodie Foster. You see, the amazing thing about people is that they handle dangerous/tragic events very differently from one to another. Some do succumb to the fear while other will act more brazen to prove to themselves and/or others that they will not let fear rule their lives. It really depends on the individual and is not outlandish in the bit to do such a thing a citigirl did.

Great point elphalba.
Did Reagan go into hiding because he got shot? No.
People do things all the time that put their lives into danger, that's part of living in the real world.
What citigirl did is not outlandish in the slightest bit, that's what people do.

I've NEVER heard a young girl say that she didn't accept a ride from a stranger when she was stranded somewhere. I've never heard a girl say "I walked 10 miles instead of accepting a ride because I was scared of being abducted".

Most girls would take that ride, that's just a fact. Especially in the middle of winter in NH.
What sounds more logical to the average person? A 21 yr old girl taking a ride from a stranger or choosing to walk into the woods by herself at night through 2.5' of snow wearing sneakers and jeans?? Obviously taking the ride is a more logical conclusion; that probably explains why the family, LE, the media and even the sbd all believe that is likely what happened.

OKAY wrote:

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Bolt bus on 84? or Fung Wah? the one that catches fire now and then? i'm reminded we always get what we pay for.
i've heard Jenkins comment about Maura's sneakers / tennis shoes / flats....there is a difference, of course, between them. another one of his mis-stated "facts". gosh. golly.

This is such a weak critisism snowy and you know it. First of all those are all low-top shoes, which is the point. None are the kind of shoes you go walking through any amount of snow in, they'll be packed full of snow after a few steps.

Second of all it was said on this forum many times that she was wearing "bowling style" shoes, I took that to mean they were what most girls call 'flats'

The orky came out and stated as a fact that she was wearing tennis shoes, so I said that for a minute. Well looking at her missin poster it appears they weren't tennis shoes, but rather regular addidas low-top sneakers. So I readjusted what I was saying to be more accurate.

Your critisism here is just cheesy, they're all low-top shoes! You don't wait through 2.5' of snow in any of those, you don't walk through 6" of snow in them either.

Why can't you guys ever come up with a real, legitimate critisism? It's always this cheesy, weak bullshit that's just splitting hairs as an ultra-weak attempt to discredit me. It's comical actually, it would be hilarious if this wasn't a forum about a missing girl who probably got killed.

Bobjenkins-OG wrote:

Omg Paris! That really happened to you?!
Do you know why these people were trying to hard to run you off the road?
And you said they've successfully ran you of the road before as well? Why did they do that???
Did it have something to do with you challenging the DUI arrest, was it something else altogether or do you not know?
That's some crazy shit right there, glad to hear your ok. Good thing you held your ground, better to bump fenders with this nut than to go off the road into a ditch and likely get killed flipping over in your car!

The first time I was run off the road I was protected by the ranchowners poles. I scrapped my car so hard to stay parallel, and could not have done it without the help of those poles. So I couldn't fall downwards after all, but there were 3-4 cars following me all that winter and trying to "get me" at the less lit, less obvious areas. I ruined those [poles, but he forgave me. I've known him well and all my sons have worked for him at some point. Problem is, there was a "ranch hand" staying with him from Missori. He gets alot of transients and this guy was the reason for the survelience cams on the corner from then on. The guy packed up and left. Believe me, at that time, we also had a mailbox at work spray painted gold and dumped in our parking lot at work. Both the gas station and our business gave up our security cam discs for police. One for each day of the year. Never did get them back. I took it to be related to some "golden egg" If I hadn't been so pursued back then, followed, and even into the various stores around town, I'd say it was sheer coincidence.
Second answer, yes, I complained that this officer had it out for me. Stopping me 3 times out of as many as 8 times for the whiskey plates on my sons car. I wear a chip under my skin, and one in my left bossom. It's serious and I am nothing but careful.
When I was pulled over in Feb, I hadn't been able to see because of the blinding lights, and that's no defense. Lucky for me the courts through it out.

Threw it out.....

Bobjenkins-OG wrote:

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Really bill??
It was a bus full of drug couriers running drugs up to Boston from NYC??? ohhhhhh, that makes sense now. Lol.
Last I checked the vast majority of drugs that are meant to be sold are transported by car in this country, not by $5 one way bolt buses.
A bus is actually probably a pretty good way to transport drugs as your not likely to get pulled over and searched but a whole bus full of drug runners??
Oh and btw, how did you know they were drug mules?? Did they come out and tell you"oh I ran into the woods to hide my drugs"???
Does that story not sound suspiciously made up to anyone else? Did everyone else here actually believe that story? Is it just me??
Oh and I love the whole "you've all been so good now you get the bus story" lol, as if he's our dad and he's blessing us with this story.
I smell.....bullshit!!! Or should I call it BILLshit??

From now on and forever more BS will be called Bovine Feces by those that wish to use fancy words and pretend they're smarter than everyone else.
If you are smelling Bovine Feces then I would suggest that you shut your windows unless you keep a Bovine in your house and in that case I'd throw him out and get a shovel and clean the mess up. Smell gone!
If I could be of any further help JLMK.

paris wrote:

<quoted text>The first time I was run off the road I was protected by the ranchowners poles. I scrapped my car so hard to stay parallel, and could not have done it without the help of those poles. So I couldn't fall downwards after all, but there were 3-4 cars following me all that winter and trying to "get me" at the less lit, less obvious areas. I ruined those [poles, but he forgave me. I've known him well and all my sons have worked for him at some point. Problem is, there was a "ranch hand" staying with him from Missori. He gets alot of transients and this guy was the reason for the survelience cams on the corner from then on. The guy packed up and left. Believe me, at that time, we also had a mailbox at work spray painted gold and dumped in our parking lot at work. Both the gas station and our business gave up our security cam discs for police. One for each day of the year. Never did get them back. I took it to be related to some "golden egg" If I hadn't been so pursued back then, followed, and even into the various stores around town, I'd say it was sheer coincidence.
Second answer, yes, I complained that this officer had it out for me. Stopping me 3 times out of as many as 8 times for the whiskey plates on my sons car. I wear a chip under my skin, and one in my left bossom. It's serious and I am nothing but careful.
When I was pulled over in Feb, I hadn't been able to see because of the blinding lights, and that's no defense. Lucky for me the courts through it out.

That's crazy Paris. Glad you ok.

So you think it must have been the cops following you and harrassing you due to the complaint you filed? Was there any following you or harrassing you before the complaint? Besides the multiple traffic stops due to the whiskey plates.

Sounds like some McKay style shit right there.

What state did this all happen in? if you don't mind me askin.

That is just insane that there were multiple cars/people following you, even into stores?!
Holy shit, running you off the road like that could be considered attempted murder.

Haha wowzer, funny post.

But to be fair I really don't think shack used 'bovine feces' to try to make herself sound smarter than everybody else, I don't think that's a fair assessment at all.
She's an older woman,'bovine feces' is clearly just a nicer, less vulgar way if saying bullshit; that was how I took it at least. I certainly didn't think she used that phrase as an attempt to use fancy words to pretend she's smarter than everyone else.'bovine feces' isn't exactly a big word, or a particularly educated use of vernacular either, but rather just a more pleasant way of saying bullshit.

But then I suspect you already know that. Kind of like how you already knew that 'someone' and 'some guy' are essentially the same thing; but that didn't stop you from posting it to imply I was making something up now did it? Don't let honesty and integrity get in the way of what your saying, that's not important.

paris wrote:

<quoted text>The first time I was run off the road I was protected by the ranchowners poles. I scrapped my car so hard to stay parallel, and could not have done it without the help of those poles. So I couldn't fall downwards after all, but there were 3-4 cars following me all that winter and trying to "get me" at the less lit, less obvious areas. I ruined those [poles, but he forgave me. I've known him well and all my sons have worked for him at some point. Problem is, there was a "ranch hand" staying with him from Missori. He gets alot of transients and this guy was the reason for the survelience cams on the corner from then on. The guy packed up and left. Believe me, at that time, we also had a mailbox at work spray painted gold and dumped in our parking lot at work. Both the gas station and our business gave up our security cam discs for police. One for each day of the year. Never did get them back. I took it to be related to some "golden egg" If I hadn't been so pursued back then, followed, and even into the various stores around town, I'd say it was sheer coincidence.
Second answer, yes, I complained that this officer had it out for me. Stopping me 3 times out of as many as 8 times for the whiskey plates on my sons car. I wear a chip under my skin, and one in my left bossom. It's serious and I am nothing but careful.
When I was pulled over in Feb, I hadn't been able to see because of the blinding lights, and that's no defense. Lucky for me the courts through it out.

If all those cars were following you all winter why didn't the police stop them? Did anyone get a desription of the vehicles or a plate nuber and report them?

Bobjenkins-OG wrote:

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This is such a weak critisism snowy and you know it. First of all those are all low-top shoes, which is the point. None are the kind of shoes you go walking through any amount of snow in, they'll be packed full of snow after a few steps.
Second of all it was said on this forum many times that she was wearing "bowling style" shoes, I took that to mean they were what most girls call 'flats'
The orky came out and stated as a fact that she was wearing tennis shoes, so I said that for a minute. Well looking at her missin poster it appears they weren't tennis shoes, but rather regular addidas low-top sneakers. So I readjusted what I was saying to be more accurate.
Your critisism here is just cheesy, they're all low-top shoes! You don't wait through 2.5' of snow in any of those, you don't walk through 6" of snow in them either.
Why can't you guys ever come up with a real, legitimate critisism? It's always this cheesy, weak bullshit that's just splitting hairs as an ultra-weak attempt to discredit me. It's comical actually, it would be hilarious if this wasn't a forum about a missing girl who probably got killed.

Ideally, your arguments would be consistently fact-based and not vary post to post in order to warrant any merit. You often take the liberty to make statements with conviction, only to change up your lengthy descriptions at the whim of whatever happens to catch your hyper-focus. Or the problem may just be that you don't know your shoes. Yeah, that's probably it.

Bobjenkins-OG wrote:

Haha wowzer, funny post.
But to be fair I really don't think shack used 'bovine feces' to try to make herself sound smarter than everybody else, I don't think that's a fair assessment at all.
She's an older woman,'bovine feces' is clearly just a nicer, less vulgar way if saying bullshit; that was how I took it at least. I certainly didn't think she used that phrase as an attempt to use fancy words to pretend she's smarter than everyone else.'bovine feces' isn't exactly a big word, or a particularly educated use of vernacular either, but rather just a more pleasant way of saying bullshit.
But then I suspect you already know that. Kind of like how you already knew that 'someone' and 'some guy' are essentially the same thing; but that didn't stop you from posting it to imply I was making something up now did it? Don't let honesty and integrity get in the way of what your saying, that's not important.

Gee Bob, I'm so sorry. I must have misunderstood this nice older lady when she called everyone in my area illiterate and even included her own relatives up north that weren't any smarter than us illiterates. Takes two to change a lightbulb she said. She didn't even think we were smart enough to own a TV or a computer.
Yep I must have misunderstood this nice old lady.
You claim you didn't hear any bad things she said but others here did. I don't see how you can comment on something you didn't hear.

OKAY wrote:

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Ideally, your arguments would be consistently fact-based and not vary post to post in order to warrant any merit. You often take the liberty to make statements with conviction, only to change up your lengthy descriptions at the whim of whatever happens to catch your hyper-focus. Or the problem may just be that you don't know your shoes. Yeah, that's probably it.

LOL, you can't be serious here can you snowy??.

The exact style of shoes she wore doesn't even matter, what matters is that they've always been described as LOW-TOP shoes, not the kind of shoes you voluntarily go walking through any amount of snow in.
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this is more of the distraction crap you guys love to do. Completely ignore the point of what's being said and create arguments over inconsequential details that don't matter to the bigger picture. People always said they were 'bowling style' shoes for the longest time. When there was more accurate info attained I wasn't gonna keep calling them bowling shoes or flats. I thought bowling style meant flats because who the hell ever heard of any girl wearing bowling style shoes?

Your just splitting hairs here snowy, your critisism is super weak and you must know it.

Why not critisize bill for his bullshit about the 8" hole in the ice? There's all sorts of sizes of ice augers, you can make the hole bigger and you can put two holes next to each other, not to mention diameter and circumference are two different things.. So what he said was completely wrong; where are you on that?
That seems like a fairly major thing, someone saying that to put a body through a hole in the ice you'd have to put it through a wood chipper and then use ziplock bags?? Besides being completely disgusting That post was complete garbage...yet you don't say anything about that, Instead you choose to critisize me for changing the exact STYLE of shoes she was wearing?? Hmmmmm.....

Tennis shoes, sneakers, flats, bowling shoes, they're all different styles of LOW-TOP shoes.
You get on my case about some stupid, inconsequential detail that completely misses the whole point and you let other people post complete bullshit.
As long as it supports the 'she's lost in the woods' theory then anyone can post anything they want with no critisism, that about right snowy??

And btw, why aren't you posting under your regular moniker? What's up with that?

& snowy, where the hell were you when bill posted that "someone told him".

He posts that someone told him something that was completely different than LE, witnesses and the media have all said yet none of you guys said shit.

If I used "someone told me" as a source you would be all over me like a fat kid on a ho-ho.

Bobjenkins-OG wrote:

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That's crazy Paris. Glad you ok.
So you think it must have been the cops following you and harrassing you due to the complaint you filed? Was there any following you or harrassing you before the complaint? Besides the multiple traffic stops due to the whiskey plates.
Sounds like some McKay style shit right there.
What state did this all happen in? if you don't mind me askin.
That is just insane that there were multiple cars/people following you, even into stores?!
Holy shit, running you off the road like that could be considered attempted murder.

Attempted murder, I wonder myself. The first time was November 2010 and I hestitate to write more about it. Lets just say the vehiles were from out state. NY, NJ, MI, PA and a few more.
Good point about harrassment....police who practice that. To blind me was an idea maybe only my officer would know to do since that's what I complained about most.

Then I brought up the 3 squads surrounding me within a minute of "putting my blinker on too slow"
It's the timing of the short block,(while making 2 left turns), that the blinker goes off closer to the time when you've reached the corner.

Thanks be to all the kind comments. I'm kind of afraid to drive home tonight actually. Might call my brother.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Gee Bob, I'm so sorry. I must have misunderstood this nice older lady when she called everyone in my area illiterate and even included her own relatives up north that weren't any smarter than us illiterates. Takes two to change a lightbulb she said. She didn't even think we were smart enough to own a TV or a computer.
Yep I must have misunderstood this nice old lady.
You claim you didn't hear any bad things she said but others here did. I don't see how you can comment on something you didn't hear.

Once again a complete blatant over exaggeration.
This post is ridiculous wowzer, you know it, I know it. Yes there was some stupid shit said but your just over-exaggerating the hell out of it. You must be happy that the old forum isnt viewable anymore huh? Not because of the vile, hateful things said but because you can now claim anything was said and no one can go check it.

I never said I didn't hear any bad things said, that's not accurate at all. I said that you were completely exaggerating what was said, it wasn't nearly as bad as your purporting it to have been, which is obviously true. How can you possibly say your an honest person? So many of your posts are just blatantly untrue and you must know it, otherwise idk, maybe you aren't smart enough to own a tv.lol I don't want to be mean here, I'd bet that in real life you are a perfectly honest person, but on this forum?? Not so much.

Bobjenkins-OG wrote:

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This is a rather misleading post bill; considering the fact that your an engineer I suspect you know it as well.
First of all, there are bigger ice augers than the 8", the largest I could find in a quick 2 minute google search was 10 1/4" diameter.
But diameter is different than circumference, you must know that.
Let's do a little Math here, as you love to do every so often.
Circumference= diameter x Pi.
So the circumference of a 10.25" hole is 10.25x3.14=32.185". That's more than big enough to fit a girl Maura's size through. What do you think her waste size was? I'd say probably about 25-28". She was a little, skinny girl.
For the hell of it lets figure the circumference of an 8" hole: 8x3.14=25.12". Not quite big enough but if someone already had an ice auger I'm sure they could figure a way to make the hole a little bigger, maybe an ax or a saw?
I'm not saying putting her through a hole on the ice would be a great way of disposing of a body, water has a habit of spitting bodies back out, but it is possible. Also some people put multiple holes next to each other to make a big hole that they can see down the water easier with.
So your disgusting post about putting a body into ziplock bags was just rather misleading and just plain wrong.

Yep. Most young ladies I have seen have perfectly round hips. Perfect circles, yep.

Any ladies want to answer poor Bob? You needn't give away any secrets. Any of you have hips that are perfect circles? So are they on the wide aspect maybe more than 10 inches in diameter, sorry, 10.25 inches?

Bill

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Yep. Most young ladies I have seen have perfectly round hips. Perfect circles, yep.
Any ladies want to answer poor Bob? You needn't give away any secrets. Any of you have hips that are perfect circles? So are they on the wide aspect maybe more than 10 inches in diameter, sorry, 10.25 inches?
Bill

14 inches (and I'm 5'4 and 102lbs), but that is the only measurement you get outta me.:-)