Maura Murray

Bobjenkins-OG wrote:

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Once again a complete blatant over exaggeration.
This post is ridiculous wowzer, you know it, I know it. Yes there was some stupid shit said but your just over-exaggerating the hell out of it. You must be happy that the old forum isnt viewable anymore huh? Not because of the vile, hateful things said but because you can now claim anything was said and no one can go check it.
I never said I didn't hear any bad things said, that's not accurate at all. I said that you were completely exaggerating what was said, it wasn't nearly as bad as your purporting it to have been, which is obviously true. How can you possibly say your an honest person? So many of your posts are just blatantly untrue and you must know it, otherwise idk, maybe you aren't smart enough to own a tv.lol I don't want to be mean here, I'd bet that in real life you are a perfectly honest person, but on this forum?? Not so much.

***it wasn't nearly as bad as your purporting it to have been,***
Actually Bobby it was much worse. Since you have proved you know nothing about shacks past posts I will not argue with you any longer about something you obviously know nothing about. As I said I wasn't the only one that heard her. End of story as I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

Bobjenkins-OG wrote:

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Really bill??
It was a bus full of drug couriers running drugs up to Boston from NYC??? ohhhhhh, that makes sense now. Lol.
Last I checked the vast majority of drugs that are meant to be sold are transported by car in this country, not by $5 one way bolt buses.
A bus is actually probably a pretty good way to transport drugs as your not likely to get pulled over and searched but a whole bus full of drug runners??
Oh and btw, how did you know they were drug mules?? Did they come out and tell you"oh I ran into the woods to hide my drugs"???
Does that story not sound suspiciously made up to anyone else? Did everyone else here actually believe that story? Is it just me??
Oh and I love the whole "you've all been so good now you get the bus story" lol, as if he's our dad and he's blessing us with this story.
I smell.....bullshit!!! Or should I call it BILLshit??

Bob. I am relating something that happened to me. Something that I know to be fact. I have never lied about anything I have stated or related to anyone on this or any forum. It breaks my heart that you don't believe me, but, I will try to carry on.

Bill

Bobjenkins-OG wrote:

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And btw, why aren't you posting under your regular moniker? What's up with that?

Because I feel like it. Because someone shat all over my beloved moniker, which I now reserve for people I actually like. And because I was agreeing with you the other day to help slow you down. I am considering Blossom or Which Witch or Potato Chip or something. Will update, okay?

Paris....

I'm hesitant to post this, because I don't quite know which part to soften, so I don't sound like such an uber-bitch.

I guess I'll just go with kid gloves.

Do you think, perhaps, all the Topix drama has gone to your head, in a manner of speaking - made you, perhaps, draw inferences that weren't there, see connections between entirely unrelated events? Isn't it possible, Paris, that the cars you THOUGHT were following you/chasing you/flashing brights at you/chasing you off the road....were, in fact, just driving? Isn't it feasible that, although it felt like they were out-of-state plated cars chasing you dangerously - that the reality of it was, they were just jerky drivers?

I'm not trying to be rude. I just wonder if this forum doesn't skew the rational thinking of the posters, at times.

(It should be noted that there are plenty of horrific drivers out there. I'm not doubting your fear WHATSOEVER - I'm sure that was a real, tangible thing. It's the motive behind said drivers that I question.)

amy researches wrote:

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14 inches (and I'm 5'4 and 102lbs), but that is the only measurement you get outta me.:-)

Thanks Amy. Not to try to embarrass you but that would make you pretty thin, I believe. Hmmmmmmmm. Unfortunately, it's the wood chipper for you because there is no way, we are getting you through a 10.25 inch hole in the ice. ;-) So your hips don't make a perfect circle, that's odd. If I remember correctly, Maura was substantially taller a heavier. Not out of shape, but bigger and heavier than you. So we have someone out on the ice creating holes on the ice that ice fishers would notice in a heartbeat because apparently Biff is attempting to catch a whale out of this pond. Yep, Biff keeps cutting these odd ellipses in the ice almost twice as wide as long. Yep, nothing suspicious there. No one would wonder what Biff was up to. Oh, Biff is his name if he is a "flatlander", of course it would be Bubba if it was local.

Bill

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Yep. Most young ladies I have seen have perfectly round hips. Perfect circles, yep.
Any ladies want to answer poor Bob? You needn't give away any secrets. Any of you have hips that are perfect circles? So are they on the wide aspect maybe more than 10 inches in diameter, sorry, 10.25 inches?
Bill

I get what your saying but what you said still wasn't accurate.

Augers actually come in all sizes and it's super easy to make any size hole bigger. Take an ax and chop the ice away, take a saw and saw it away. Drill another had directly adjacent to your first hole.
Point is that you can most definitely fit a whole body through a hole on the ice, what you said about ziplock bags was completely disgusting and completely misleading.
Still not to say that's neccessarily a good place to hide a body but it certainly can be accomplished.

Once again you chose out a little detail and ignored the point, that s body can be hidden under a frozen pond and an ice-fishing hole could be a good place to get it in.

Bobjenkins-OG wrote:

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I get what your saying but what you said still wasn't accurate.
Augers actually come in all sizes and it's super easy to make any size hole bigger. Take an ax and chop the ice away, take a saw and saw it away. Drill another had directly adjacent to your first hole.
Point is that you can most definitely fit a whole body through a hole on the ice, what you said about ziplock bags was completely disgusting and completely misleading.
Still not to say that's neccessarily a good place to hide a body but it certainly can be accomplished.
Once again you chose out a little detail and ignored the point, that s body can be hidden under a frozen pond and an ice-fishing hole could be a good place to get it in.

Bobby, aside from all the reasons this wouldn't, couldn't be done. Explain to me, how you chop a hole, that isn't going to be a curiosity if it is big enough to pass a body through? Then you thoroughly disregard how difficult a task this is. You must push this body down under the ice. So now, you have sent a body to be perfectly preserved until spring thaw when it will come bobbing to the surface. If you weight the body, the will almost certainly still bob to the surface. That didn't happen, so the body wasn't disposed of in the pond. I can just imagine someone sledging out a body on sled to dispose of a body.

I know you are fascinated, like Shack, with this line of bullshit, but frankly, I know it didn't happen so enjoy spouting on about this. While it's fun to try to imagine how this could have been done. I think to reasonable people, the point that this didn't happen is made.

Bill

Simply Sarcasm wrote:

Paris....
I'm hesitant to post this, because I don't quite know which part to soften, so I don't sound like such an uber-bitch.
I guess I'll just go with kid gloves.
Do you think, perhaps, all the Topix drama has gone to your head, in a manner of speaking - made you, perhaps, draw inferences that weren't there, see connections between entirely unrelated events? Isn't it possible, Paris, that the cars you THOUGHT were following you/chasing you/flashing brights at you/chasing you off the road....were, in fact, just driving? Isn't it feasible that, although it felt like they were out-of-state plated cars chasing you dangerously - that the reality of it was, they were just jerky drivers?
I'm not trying to be rude. I just wonder if this forum doesn't skew the rational thinking of the posters, at times.
(It should be noted that there are plenty of horrific drivers out there. I'm not doubting your fear WHATSOEVER - I'm sure that was a real, tangible thing. It's the motive behind said drivers that I question.)

Uber-Bitch! I like that one! I also like the way you directly address your observations and concerns with compassion. An acquaintance of many years is steeped in her denial about a similar issue, and I've felt unable to question her reality. I may give it a try again.

amy researches wrote:

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My shoulder to shoulder diameter is 18 inches so I guess I'm definitely going in the ziplock bags.
From what I've seen of the pictures of Maura we look to be about the same body type, only she is a few inches taller if I remember right. Yes I am considered to be thin I guess, especially by my mother. This is why I need to become neighbors with Wowzer. She can teach me to cook pies and I can teach her to watch tv.:-)

Oh, I am assuming that they removed the arms and legs. Easy to do. I mean we are talking about seasoned serial killers I thought. According to Shack there are serial killer all over those woods in NH and VT. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a serial killer in those woods.

Bill

Just because I am of AARP era doesn't mean that I am not familiar with ice fishing here in Mass. and in NH. I lived on a lake here and still have a few of the tip-ups, skimmers etc.
Used to use previous holes to make new ones.
It is not inconceivable to dispose of anything through an ice hole.

I JUST WANT THE COLD CASE UNIT TO FIND JUSTICE.
Somebody can call them with any tip or information.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Bobby, aside from all the reasons this wouldn't, couldn't be done. Explain to me, how you chop a hole, that isn't going to be a curiosity if it is big enough to pass a body through? Then you thoroughly disregard how difficult a task this is. You must push this body down under the ice. So now, you have sent a body to be perfectly preserved until spring thaw when it will come bobbing to the surface. If you weight the body, the will almost certainly still bob to the surface. That didn't happen, so the body wasn't disposed of in the pond. I can just imagine someone sledging out a body on sled to dispose of a body.
I know you are fascinated, like Shack, with this line of bullshit, but frankly, I know it didn't happen so enjoy spouting on about this. While it's fun to try to imagine how this could have been done. I think to reasonable people, the point that this didn't happen is made.
Bill

Once again, you completely missed the point.

You have a ten inch hole, that seems the largest of the standard sizes, that's not including bigger sizes like a 14" that exist but are rare.

So you got a 10" hole, you would only have to chop it about 5 wider to fit Amy in it, for example.
That wouldn't be a 'curiosity' in the slightest bit, not even close. In fact there is a style of ice fishing called "sight fishing" iirc where a bigger hole is used. There is a description on one of the top results on google of how to put 4 10" holes right next to each other for better view. Not to be done with kids around and anything dropped on the floor of your shanty is probably going under water.

So it is definitely 100% possible to get someone through an ice fishing hole. That is a fact.
Your post about needing a wood chipper is completely disgusting and just flat out wrong, any way you look at it.
How hard do you really think it is to make a 10" hole a few inches bigger? How big of a curiosity is a 15" hole gonna be compared to a 10" hole? Your totally talkin out your ass here.

Now like I said in my first post, this isn't neccesarily a good place to hide a body, water has a habit of spitting bodies back out. But If someone knows what they're doing on the other hand, it's not impossible at all. Water has spit out many bodies but it's also hidden many bodies forever too. The east river in NYC comes to mind.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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If all those cars were following you all winter why didn't the police stop them? Did anyone get a desription of the vehicles or a plate nuber and report them?

The cars were the same, but different people behind the wheel. Yes, i had an officer who parks at the firehouse watch out for me there. Just nothing came of it when people see an officer parked, it takes til the bend a mile down near my turn for any action. There are5 ways out for a person to take, split up. I once had a car stop as I sat by firehouse for protection, and 2 guys walked up to my window with hand out so I bolted. One was on a snowmobile. Kept it low key, didn't want to tell the x about it. The whole story continues to bother me, so I had gps and all the bells and whistles installed in my caddilac. Same with the police cruiser I owned before that. People drove home when I did whenever it was dark. Neither car were the greatest for all the winding roads with ice or snow. Anyway, yes, I reported, wrote down lic #'s and colors, whateer I saw and then noticed a pattern in the cars being the same, but the drivers being different.
When driving home the other night
I did call 911 and gave the cherokee plates #. I gave my name and cell number. The call was frantic, I said he's running me off the road, now he's crossed 3 lanes and is turning West on xxx avenue.
I was scared, but I haven't heard anything from police yet.
I did see my investigator though. He made the mistake of telling my coworker his profession and I in turn made note of his plates on the grey Ford he drives. I've seen him around since 2008 by the way.
This bogus dui is the only thing I never did wrong. I'm sure he's watching out for me and seeing who comes around. Enough said for now. IM if you'd like.
Thanks for askin

Shack wrote:

I JUST WANT THE COLD CASE UNIT TO FIND JUSTICE.

We all want that. There are questions about drunk driving and possibly leaving the scene of an accident in NH. And apparently there are credit card charges still pending in MA.

Bill

Simply Sarcasm wrote:

Paris....
I'm hesitant to post this, because I don't quite know which part to soften, so I don't sound like such an uber-bitch.
I guess I'll just go with kid gloves.
Do you think, perhaps, all the Topix drama has gone to your head, in a manner of speaking - made you, perhaps, draw inferences that weren't there, see connections between entirely unrelated events? Isn't it possible, Paris, that the cars you THOUGHT were following you/chasing you/flashing brights at you/chasing you off the road....were, in fact, just driving? Isn't it feasible that, although it felt like they were out-of-state plated cars chasing you dangerously - that the reality of it was, they were just jerky drivers?
I'm not trying to be rude. I just wonder if this forum doesn't skew the rational thinking of the posters, at times.
(It should be noted that there are plenty of horrific drivers out there. I'm not doubting your fear WHATSOEVER - I'm sure that was a real, tangible thing. It's the motive behind said drivers that I question.)

It's ok, I get this alot. But the answer is no for the most part. I always write things down, even jot things down on my hand, etc.
When Beth drove here in 2005 and I didn't know her yet, I had her number. When she moved here in 2008, I saw her vehicle again. I am a good artist, i have a good perspective, I eat right and well, I don't forget things that stand out.
I do like the kidd gloves though, thanks.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Oh, I am assuming that they removed the arms and legs. Easy to do. I mean we are talking about seasoned serial killers I thought. According to Shack there are serial killer all over those woods in NH and VT. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a serial killer in those woods.
Bill

You can't swing a dead cat without missing one huh??? Nice saying dude, my god man.

Besides, nobody has ever said anything even approaching what you just said.

People have questioned the existence of a serial killer in the north country, whether ONE exists. Which if you look at all the unsolved crimes in the area it's pretty hard to say one DOESN'T exist. Far too many women killed by stabbing, or blunt force trauma, or both; far too many women abducted while hitchiking, after car trouble or on the road in one way or another to say that none of these crimes are linked, and that's not even including the CRVSK cases either.
So in reality one should hope there IS a serial killer, or otherwise there is a bunch of different killers running around. See what I'm saying?

There are many unsolved cases, many cases that have striking similarities to Maura's case to just write off the possibility that she met up with a killer that night.

Should explain. Beth was staring exactly ahead at my 4 way stop on the way to work. That 4 way is right off the long driveway where I lived. This person seemed odd to me and for some reason i wrote her plate # down. Things had begun to get wierd for me and I trust the feelings. Then, when she did get new plates with Minnesota loons on them, I called my friend at the DMV and she said the car was not registered in her name. I had also seen it on another occassion and went through my book to confirm. There was a man driving it. Same as when Beth died, I saw a woman in that newly plated car up at the grocery store I always stopped at after work. i run out of spring water alot. Anyway, it was awkward and it was not her mom. The person looked like....well, HER>, maybe 2-3 years younger.

amy researches wrote:

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My shoulder to shoulder diameter is 18 inches so I guess I'm definitely going in the ziplock bags.
From what I've seen of the pictures of Maura we look to be about the same body type, only she is a few inches taller if I remember right. Yes I am considered to be thin I guess, especially by my mother. This is why I need to become neighbors with Wowzer. She can teach me to cook pies and I can teach her to watch tv.:-)

I can actually multi-task and cook and watch tv at the same time.:) Move on up and I'll be happy to show you how to make a pie. I'll warn you though, I make the crust from scratch. None of that store bought stuff used here.

Just me--paris wrote:

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I don't either. Wonder if you would notice oblong holes hacked out of the ice, or holes large enough to capture Moby Dick?

Bill

Bobjenkins-OG wrote:

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You can't swing a dead cat without missing one huh???

Jesus Bob. Do read anything that anyone writes, besides yourself that is. I said "You can't swing a dead cat without HITTING one"

Bill

WTH-the-original wrote:

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If you weight the body, the will almost certainly still bob to the surface. That didn't happen, so the body wasn't disposed of in the pond. I can just imagine someone sledging out a body on sled to dispose of a body.
I know you are fascinated, like Shack, with this line of bullshit, but frankly, I know it didn't happen so enjoy spouting on about this. While it's fun to try to imagine how this could have been done. I think to reasonable people, the point that this didn't happen is made.
Bill

Hold on, did you really just say that?

You really just said that since the body didn't bob to the surface that it didn't get placed in a pond?? Really dude??
That is the same EXACT thing as saying we know she isn't in the woods because she hasn't been found yet, exactly the same thing.

The fact is that you can definitely get a body to stay underwater. Yes it's hard to weight a body enough to make it stay down, the gases made in decomposition make it very buoyant. But there is definitely a way around that, you poke holes in the skin to let the gases out. It's very simple to do and you can be damn sure people know about that. Yes many bodies come up from the water, Scott peterson's wife comes to mind, but that's people who don't know what they're doing. One good hole in the gut area is actually enough. If someone used a bunch of holes a body will never surface even without much weight at all, it won't be buoyant in the slighted.

So saying that we know this didnt happen because the body didn't float to the surface is just completely 100% wrong, just like saying if she was in the woods she would've been found by now.