Maura Murray

Bobjenkins-OG wrote:

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Yes it's hard to weight a body enough to make it stay down, the gases made in decomposition make it very buoyant. But there is definitely a way around that, you poke holes in the skin to let the gases out. It's very simple to do and you can be damn sure people know about that. Yes many bodies come up from the water, Scott peterson's wife comes to mind, but that's people who don't know what they're doing. One good hole in the gut area is actually enough. If someone used a bunch of holes a body will never surface even without much weight at all, it won't be buoyant in the slighted.

Seems YOU would know what you were doing then, in situation like that. Again, everyone please note that this guy was running all over rt 112 during the time MM went missing.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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In the past I've done some ice fishing in different lakes and ponds. Most use a 6 or 8 inch auger. I don't think I'd want to be in one of those little ice shanties with a 24 in hole in it especially if I decided to have a few beers.

This is exactly why I said the sight fishing method is not advisable if there's children around and that if you drop something in the shanty it's probably going down into the lake.

But your right, most people use 6-8-10" holes. Any of which could be easily expanded to slip a body through if one was so inclined.

The point is that it is definitely possible and a possibility of what happened to maura, if even a slight possibility. Ice fishing is very popular up there, the perp could've potentially had his own shanty which would provide cover for slipping a body into the ice. Also it would make it so others wouldnt even see the hole at all, let alone think it looked funny.

If bill just said that it wasn't likely because it's hard to make a body stay underwater, fine. But for him to say its impossible and go into some huge story about a wood chipper and ziplock bags then that has to be pointed out as being completely wrong.

I thought you liked to point out things that are wrong wowzer, you try to do it to me all the time. Your a smart woman and you go ice fishing, you must've known what he was saying was wrong, where were you on that one? You must know that most people go out to their shanty with an ax, or have one stored there, and use the ax to break through the ice that froze over the hole since they last went fishing instead of using their auger every time because it's only a couple inches of ice that forms in a few days. Why is it you never question anything that supports the 'she got lost in the woods' theory but you question every single minor detail about anything that suggests she might have been killed?
Your at least .aware how biased of a poster you are right?
It's hilarious, people can literally say anything, use any source even including "someone told me" and your perfectly fine with it, as long as it goes with that theory. In fact, you don't even question the "someone told me" you instead question the person who questions that ridiculous source?? Wowzers, wowzer, just wowzers.
Yur epic amount of bias is impressive, unattainable by the average person.

findmaura wrote:

Does everyone share the fishing shantys?Are they mostly visible from shore(Close by)?

I'm sure people share fishing shantys with their friends but most are like private little fishing huts on the lake.
Most are visible from the shore, it would have to be a giant lake to not be able to see shanties on them.

Some people deck their shanties out with all sort of stuff, they got wood stove, tables and chairs, all sorts of stuff.

Oh and what bill said about someone noticing somebody dragging a body out on the ice is totally wrong as well. People are always bringing supplies out to these things when they go fishing and they use sleds to bring stuff out there too, so someone dragging a sled with something on it would not be out of th ordinary at all.

Bobjenkins-OG wrote:

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Maybe that's why she said that she thought to herself when they got in the car 'oh know we could've just made a huge mistake', or something to that effect.
It's raining out, they're a little lost, the vast majority of girls would take that ride. That's just simple fact.
I've heard many stories of girls breaking down and they ALWAYS took the ride offered.
I've never once in my life ever heard a girl tell a story where they said 'no, I'm gonna walk 5 miles because I'm scared of being abducted'. I'm sure it's happened but I've NEVER heard a girl say anything like that. Yet I've heard many different stories about breakdowns etc where a girl has taken a ride from a stranger.
Besides for the fact that the whole 'stranger danger' thing has been pretty well debunked as media hype at this point. While it does happen the chances of being killed by a stranger are extremely low; a girl is way more likely to be killed in a car crash before she breaks down than being killed by a stranger after she does. Most girls choose to not live their lives in fear. Also many young girls are very trusting of people, just like Maura was described as being. There is a quote from her sister where she says Maura was a very trusting person and that she would've takena ride from a stranger. Her sister was basically her best friend and she said Maura definitely would have done that. I'm sure maura thought, just like most girls would, and many people on here think:'what are the chances of a killer offering me a ride'

Bobjenkins-OG wrote:

<quoted text>I've NEVER heard a young girl say that she didn't accept a ride from a stranger when she was stranded somewhere. I've never heard a girl say "I walked 10 miles instead of accepting a ride because I was scared of being abducted".
Most girls would take that ride, that's just a fact. Especially in the middle of winter in NH./[QUOTE]

No, Jenkins, NO!!!! What you are saying in these quotes IS NOT FACT!!! It is your OPINION!!!! Just because you personally have never heard of these things DOES NOT MAKE IT FACT!!!! Over and over and over and over and over ... you never quit!!

You are not female. You have NO IDEA the kind of conditioning females get, constantly, about the danger of unknown male strangers. Women are conditioned from freaking birth to NOT ACCEPT RIDES FROM STRANGERS. You cannot state anything above as fact because it is not fact!!!!

The second part of this is your statement about stranger danger being "debunked," you post about this ad nauseum, yet a few posts later:

[QUOTE who="Bobjenkins-OG"] <quoted text>Far too many women killed by stabbing, or blunt force trauma, or both; far too many women abducted while hitchiking, after car trouble or on the road in one way or another to say that none of these crimes are linked, and that's not even including the CRVSK cases either.

So which is it, Bob? You say one thing and then something completely the opposite.

Lastly, please post the exact quote where Maura's sister Kathleen says that Maura would have taken a ride from a stranger. I found one where she said this: "'She was just like me, very trusting,' Carpenter said.'She would go up to a total stranger. That's how I believe she was taken advantage of. She was too trusting.'"

That is not the same thing as she would take a ride from a stranger. Please provide the quote where her sister says what you claimed in your post.

Topix screwed up, most of my own post is included in the second quote by Jenkins, starting with "No, Jenkins, NO!"

Bobjenkins-OG wrote:

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I'm sure people share fishing shantys with their friends but most are like private little fishing huts on the lake.
Most are visible from the shore, it would have to be a giant lake to not be able to see shanties on them.
Some people deck their shanties out with all sort of stuff, they got wood stove, tables and chairs, all sorts of stuff.
Oh and what bill said about someone noticing somebody dragging a body out on the ice is totally wrong as well. People are always bringing supplies out to these things when they go fishing and they use sleds to bring stuff out there too, so someone dragging a sled with something on it would not be out of th ordinary at all.

Is this an activity on MOST lakes in the area?how many of the lakes were searched?I would assume someone thats a knowledgable ice fisher,with a shanty available, might consider this for disposal,easily.

amy researches wrote:

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You are more talented than I am! I'll take you up on the pie offer. I buy cherry ones at the store. Betty Crocker I am not. lol
Man, this topix thing has ruined me for wanting to ever go ice fishing. Are the ice fishing shacks (if that's what it's called) close to where Maura crashed and they searched them to see if she hid in there or something?

Yes there are ice fishing shanties right near by on French pond which is, obviously, right down french pond road.
This is one of the places sbd went to go check, French pond. There was a quote I read where he mentioned that kids hung out down there sometimes and he wanted to check the shanties, or something to that effect.

This is one thing that always makes me think that he knew more than he was saying. If he's looking for some girl from mass why would he possibly think she knows where French pond is or that there would be ice fishing shanties to hide in? Idk, but to me that doesn't sound like the place to look if you think some out of town girl went walking somewhere. Why go check French pond but not drive east? French pond isn't the place to look if your looking for an out of town girl that's on foot, imo, that's where you look if you think she's with a local who's trying to hide her.

They don't check east but they check fishing shanties on French pond?? Weird behavior if your lookin for an out of town girl on foot.

By the way, Jenkins, I think it is truly pathetic that you use your Topix account to sign in and give yourself Brilliant, Agree, and Helpful/Interesting marks on every single post you make. Sad, really.

Bobjenkins-OG wrote:

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Yes there are ice fishing shanties right near by on French pond which is, obviously, right down french pond road.
This is one of the places sbd went to go check, French pond. There was a quote I read where he mentioned that kids hung out down there sometimes and he wanted to check the shanties, or something to that effect.
This is one thing that always makes me think that he knew more than he was saying. If he's looking for some girl from mass why would he possibly think she knows where French pond is or that there would be ice fishing shanties to hide in? Idk, but to me that doesn't sound like the place to look if you think some out of town girl went walking somewhere. Why go check French pond but not drive east? French pond isn't the place to look if your looking for an out of town girl that's on foot, imo, that's where you look if you think she's with a local who's trying to hide her.
They don't check east but they check fishing shanties on French pond?? Weird behavior if your lookin for an out of town girl on foot.

I agree completely..Imho sbd saw something that night but was afraid to tell the truth..Someone that scared him..

findmaura wrote:

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I dont think you can just flat out say it has nothing to do with Maura..Unless of course you have the definitive suspect list available..I believe Maura was in the area of Mckays sidekicks house..

It's interesting that if the cw's sighting happened she was last seen going up a dirt road near 116. This is exactly where Floyd lived, who was a sick bastard that claimed to have killed 17 people. We know he was too young for Vietnam so who are all these people he killed?? It's easy to write off as crazy talk by a sick individual but seeing his complete lack of any emotion after killing liko kenney is chilling to say the least. He was heard laughing and joking about it. I'm sorry but people who are forced to kill someone else, even if they know they're in the right, feel bad about doing it; often experiencing PTSD and other long lasting effects. This guy just didn't give a fuck, like a true psychopath.
Idk if I believe cw's sighting but even if it's wrong this guy clearly should be eliminated as a suspect. It's been said that this guy had a scanner and he definitely lived right there. At the very least He would've known that there was a young girl with mass plates out broken down on the side of the road. it's also been said that he would impersonate being a police officer, often acting as unofficial 'backup' for McKay.

LE did at least one search of his property, I believe two. So to be fair he may have been eliminated as a suspect, they're not saying either way.

Maruchan wrote:

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So which is it, Bob? You say one thing and then something completely the opposite.
Lastly, please post the exact quote where Maura's sister Kathleen says that Maura would have taken a ride from a stranger. I found one where she said this: "'She was just like me, very trusting,' Carpenter said.'She would go up to a total stranger. That's how I believe she was taken advantage of. She was too trusting.'"
That is not the same thing as she would take a ride from a stranger. Please provide the quote where her sister says what you claimed in your post.

When exactly did I say the opposite?

I also don't understand what you said in your messed up post, did I ever say all girls would take that ride?? No, I said most girls would take that ride, which is a fact.

Most girls will take a ride from a stranger if they are stranded, this is definitely a fact I don't see how anyone can even try to debate that.

Yes girls are bombarded with the whole 'strangers are dangerous' thing but that doesn't mean they listen to it when they're stranded. In fact I've never heard if a girl walking miles instead of accepting a ride. Like I said, I've heard many many stories of girls taking rides but I've never ever once in my life heard a girl tell a story about her walking 5 miles because she was scared of being abducted, have you?? If you have, have you heard it more than once?

Sorry it it is a fact that the majority of girls would accept a ride.

What I said about the CRVK is true, these women, and others were attacked when traveling along or near the i91 corridor, same route Maura was tracelling on. These attacks are few and far between though and most girl/people don't even know they happened. When I mention that there was a serial killer in the area to people my age I get utter disbelief.
Even though women do get killed in these situations it's still extremely rare, very very rare. Rare enough to where most girls will take their chances rather than walk miles out of fear, most girls don't want to let fear run their lives.

Most young girls, like Maura, are trusting, everyone thinks it can't or won't happen to them.

As for the quote from Maura's sister it is blatantly obvious that's what she's talking about when she says Maura was too trusting and that's what got her in trouble. What else did she mean that she was too trusting so she walked into the woods?? Seriously, what else could it mean except maybe she walked up to someone's house and that's who killed her.

The family has made no secret of the fact that they believe she got a ride from the wrong person. What else could she mean?

Maruchan wrote:

By the way, Jenkins, I think it is truly pathetic that you use your Topix account to sign in and give yourself Brilliant, Agree, and Helpful/Interesting marks on every single post you make. Sad, really.

LOL, sure maruchan, that's what I do. LOL.

Does it make you feel better to think that?

Is there a way to see when the last time I logged onto my topix account if you go look at my profile? Go check it out, I haven't logged in in weeks, dumbass.

I've never voted my posts, or anybody's posts for that matter. Im posting from my phone 95% of the time and I can't even see the votes.

Why do you always have the weakest critisisms?? It's rather amusing

Bobjenkins-OG wrote:

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I'm sorry but people who are forced to kill someone else, even if they know they're in the right, feel bad about doing it; often experiencing PTSD and other long lasting effects.

Im not going to bother yalls theories cus yall got some good ones.. But that statement is both true & false.. All depends on the person.. Not everyone who is forced to kill someone feels bad about it at all.. All depends on the situation & why they were forced to.. But, just like you said, in some people it does lead to PTSD & social anxiety.. Its a whole notha bag of worms..

So maruchan, your saying that it's not a fact that the majority if girls would accept a ride if they were stranded somewhere?
Really??
No, really??

You can't be honestly saying that you think most girls would actually choose to walk miles through the freezing cold than accept a ride can you? Can you really be saying that?

I think you are trying to say that so now the question is do you really think that or are you just saying it? I suspect you know it's not true, the couple girls who've chimed in on this thread do far have said they would take the ride, or have seedy taken a ride in citi's case.

I'm used to weak attacks, but yours always seem to be particularly cheesy maruchan. Lol

Bobjenkins-OG wrote:

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I also don't understand what you said in your messed up post, did I ever say all girls would take that ride?? No, I said most girls would take that ride, which is a fact.
Most girls will take a ride from a stranger if they are stranded, this is definitely a fact I don't see how anyone can even try to debate that.

Sorry it it is a fact that the majority of girls would accept a ride.

Prove it. You saying so doesn't make it a fact. How is you saying it's a fact differ from Bill saying "someone told me" <---- a statement you don't want to accept at face value, and yet you want everyone on this forum to accept your above statement as a fact just because you say so.

I believe that Bill did not want to name a name on his "someone told me" because that would have meant naming someone local to the area ... if that's the situation, he was right not to name the individual.

Emmett Dove wrote:

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Im not going to bother yalls theories cus yall got some good ones.. But that statement is both true & false.. All depends on the person.. Not everyone who is forced to kill someone feels bad about it at all.. All depends on the situation & why they were forced to.. But, just like you said, in some people it does lead to PTSD & social anxiety.. Its a whole notha bag of worms..

Took the words right out of my mouth. True.

We call them Bob Houses around here, and, it's pretty common to take a chain saw and cut a two foot by two foot hole in the floor so two or three guys can sit inside in the heat and jig while we watch the traps. We keep the ice out of the hole by skimming and place a piece of three quarter inch plywood over it when not jigging.

Most Bob houses are locked, however, Redneck etiquette dictates that you do not enter one without permission whether it is locked or not. It is also against Redneck code to chum with any discarded human corpses. If one does this, word will get around and you and your Bob House will be forcibly removed from the ice, dismissed from the fraternity, have all of your alcohol confiscated,and labeled an inappropriate chummer.

Bobjenkins-OG wrote:

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It's interesting that if the cw's sighting happened she was last seen going up a dirt road near 116. This is exactly where Floyd lived, who was a sick bastard that claimed to have killed 17 people. We know he was too young for Vietnam so who are all these people he killed?? It's easy to write off as crazy talk by a sick individual but seeing his complete lack of any emotion after killing liko kenney is chilling to say the least. He was heard laughing and joking about it. I'm sorry but people who are forced to kill someone else, even if they know they're in the right, feel bad about doing it; often experiencing PTSD and other long lasting effects. This guy just didn't give a fuck, like a true psychopath.
Idk if I believe cw's sighting but even if it's wrong this guy clearly should be eliminated as a suspect. It's been said that this guy had a scanner and he definitely lived right there. At the very least He would've known that there was a young girl with mass plates out broken down on the side of the road. it's also been said that he would impersonate being a police officer, often acting as unofficial 'backup' for McKay.
LE did at least one search of his property, I believe two. So to be fair he may have been eliminated as a suspect, they're not saying either way.

Not interesting; old news. The concept was previously introduced, debated, and discarded. More importantly, LE is well aware of all the dyamics associated with the history of Floyd/Kenney/McKay. For the record, McKay was murdered by Liko Kenney; citizen murdered cop by gunfire; not the other way around.
Bad Blood is a compilation of cherry-picked assertions.
That said, the most accurate article about the subject, IMO, was written by a Boston publication. I don't recall the author at this moment.
To smear the SBD or McKay posthumously is to be unconscienably ignorant. Neither of you making these claims is sufficiently knowledgable.
The connection to Maura is unsupported and irrelevant if one has fully studied the subject.

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Most Bob houses are locked, however, Redneck etiquette dictates that you do not enter one without permission whether it is locked or not. It is also against Redneck code to chum with any discarded human corpses. If one does this, word will get around and you and your Bob House will be forcibly removed from the ice, dismissed from the fraternity, have all of your alcohol confiscated,and labeled an inappropriate chummer.

Funny, but quite likely true. There is also NH, VT and ME "etiquette" that I haven't quite grasped, but has been explained to me over the years. At some point (I don't know how and when it's determined), a newcomer to a community becomes fully included and embraced as one of "them" and the bonds of friendliness, helpful assistance and kindness is extraordinary, and knows no limits. The initial chilliness is off-putting if one is accustomed to a different social environment. Then , again, I doubt I could acclimate to the South. They still carry a torch about us Northerners!