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What a surprise! Wowzer said she wouldn't take a ride from a stranger, I didn't see that one coming.
But wait a minute, in the next sentence you suggest that you would walk up to a strangers house and knock on the door???
How does that make any sense?
Are you scared of strangers or not? Do you not realize those two things directly contradict each other?
I would think that most young girls would accept a ride long before they'd go and knock on someone's door, I wouldn't even knock on someone's door unless it was an absolute emergency. Not out of fear, but strictly out of embarrassment. That is a nerve wracking thing to do for anyone
I know I'm wasting my time answering this but I will anyway.
If I was stranded in a strange place I certainly would not be embarrassed to knock on someones door. I would feel much safer to go to a home for help than I would to get into a car with a stranger. What is so nerve wracking about knocking on someones door to use their phone or maybe ask if they could pull a car out of a ditch? This is my own opinion and how I feel. You and your many friends you've talked to are free to your own opinions .
And after reading some of your posts here lately and knowing you drive around my area I may have to rethink this whole thing and start carrying protection when I go for a walk. Something just ain't right.

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It's a free paper that is in many of the stores around here. It's got some news, advertisements and a weekly TV guide in it.
Thanks for the answer!
Ohh ok, we got one down here called Yes! Weekly.. Thats good news if you add in the fact that its the start of a new month, people that like to go to all the snow attractions & stuff.. Plus the sheer fact that it proves they havent forgot! With all of those factors, I guess you could add in hunters also, maybe someone will pick one up at a local hotel & they are hoping one of them types of people might find something...

Never know.. It could happen.. Main thing is they havent forgotten!
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Wowzer the real one wrote:
FYI in the new Mountainside Guide which is published by Northcountry News there is a "Missing"picture of Maura on page 15 with information about her disappearance and asking anyone with info to contact SP or CCU.
This isn't the first time these papers have mentioned her. She hasn't been forgotten like some here would like everyone to believe.
No, she hasn't been forgotten, and that's pretty much the point of these forums, as far as I can tell. That is really the only useful thing that postin on these forums can accomplish, IMO. Nobody is gonna solve this case here and the chances of a new tip or lead coming from one of these forums is extremely low, but we can help keep the case in the public eye.

There is no doubt that shes been mentioned in some papers over the past few years, but you know what else has been mentioned in a bunch of these articles?? These forums. Either the forums or ideas that have been out forth on the forums.
The forums also give these papers a good idea of public opinion, what the public is interested in which gives then a good idea of what kind of articles the public would want to read.

I think it's pretty clear that if these forums didn't exist this case would've been forgotten about a long time ago, as far as the media is concerned. Maybe there would be some sort of an article on the anniversary of her dissapearance or something like that, but even that is kind of doubtful.

Why do I think this? What kind of evidence do I have that indicates this to be true? Take the murder of Tom c in rumney, or was it warren? When was the las time you've seen an article about that?
How about the murder of louise chaput in Pinkham notch in 2001, iirc. How many articles have ever even been written about that case? How many articles have been written about that case in the last few years?? Barely any as far as I can tell, I don't think any have Ben written lately.

So to say that without these forums Maura's case would still be in the news is incorrect, IMO.
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Wowzer the real one wrote:
FYI in the new Mountainside Guide which is published by Northcountry News there is a "Missing"picture of Maura on page 15 with information about her disappearance and asking anyone with info to contact SP or CCU.
This isn't the first time these papers have mentioned her. She hasn't been forgotten like some here would like everyone to believe.
Not sure why you have such negative judging for positive news. Thanks for the good catch!
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No, she hasn't been forgotten, and that's pretty much the point of these forums, as far as I can tell. That is really the only useful thing that postin on these forums can accomplish, IMO. Nobody is gonna solve this case here and the chances of a new tip or lead coming from one of these forums is extremely low, but we can help keep the case in the public eye.
There is no doubt that shes been mentioned in some papers over the past few years, but you know what else has been mentioned in a bunch of these articles?? These forums. Either the forums or ideas that have been out forth on the forums.
The forums also give these papers a good idea of public opinion, what the public is interested in which gives then a good idea of what kind of articles the public would want to read.
I think it's pretty clear that if these forums didn't exist this case would've been forgotten about a long time ago, as far as the media is concerned. Maybe there would be some sort of an article on the anniversary of her dissapearance or something like that, but even that is kind of doubtful.
Why do I think this? What kind of evidence do I have that indicates this to be true? Take the murder of Tom c in rumney, or was it warren? When was the las time you've seen an article about that?
How about the murder of louise chaput in Pinkham notch in 2001, iirc. How many articles have ever even been written about that case? How many articles have been written about that case in the last few years?? Barely any as far as I can tell, I don't think any have Ben written lately.
So to say that without these forums Maura's case would still be in the news is incorrect, IMO.
While the police have dismissed any connection between MM's and BM's cases, it's curious that Brianna Maitland's disappearance has fewer followers by the public in terms of dedicated forums and active FB pages. I wonder why? Is she not a young woman who is presumed to be a victim of probable violence?
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Wowzer the real one wrote:
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I know I'm wasting my time answering this but I will anyway.
If I was stranded in a strange place I certainly would not be embarrassed to knock on someones door. I would feel much safer to go to a home for help than I would to get into a car with a stranger. What is so nerve wracking about knocking on someones door to use their phone or maybe ask if they could pull a car out of a ditch? This is my own opinion and how I feel. You and your many friends you've talked to are free to your own opinions .
And after reading some of your posts here lately and knowing you drive around my area I may have to rethink this whole thing and start carrying protection when I go for a walk. Something just ain't right.
Wowzer, I'm 100% in agreement with you on this.....can ya believe it, LOL?!!!

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While the police have dismissed any connection between MM's and BM's cases, it's curious that Brianna Maitland's disappearance has fewer followers by the public in terms of dedicated forums and active FB pages. I wonder why? Is she not a young woman who is presumed to be a victim of probable violence?
I wondered that myself tbh.. There is one blog I frequented till the guy got ill or something.. It was called "slamdunks" or something like that & they have interviews with the people that towed her car, towns people who knew the drug dealers they think were involved in her "dissaperance" & all sorts of Facts! Its pretty good info about it..

Plus there is the "infamous affadavit" that said she was cut to pieces & spread out along a pig farm.. They had a search this year & a search maybe late last year when they found a pair of jeans that matched her size/style & what she owned..

Maybe it isnt followed so much because they think she was in "too deep" with NY & NC drug dealers..

If you google "brianna maitland update" it brings that blog I was talking about right up at the top..
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I wondered that myself tbh.. There is one blog I frequented till the guy got ill or something.. It was called "slamdunks" or something like that & they have interviews with the people that towed her car, towns people who knew the drug dealers they think were involved in her "dissaperance" & all sorts of Facts! Its pretty good info about it..
Plus there is the "infamous affadavit" that said she was cut to pieces & spread out along a pig farm.. They had a search this year & a search maybe late last year when they found a pair of jeans that matched her size/style & what she owned..
Maybe it isnt followed so much because they think she was in "too deep" with NY & NC drug dealers..
If you google "brianna maitland update" it brings that blog I was talking about right up at the top..
Interesting. I hadn't known of updated info about Brianna's case. There's been none about Maura's case in many years. Seems like there is a following of these cases generated by Disappeared. I've never seen a single episode.
Your Halloween pumpkin link was appreciated a recipient. Just so you know.

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Not sure why you have such negative judging for positive news. Thanks for the good catch!
If anyone but me would have wrote it they would have had hearts, yellow light bulbs and stars.LOL.
That's ok I actually expect the negative judging. It's quite funny at times like in this case.

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I wondered that myself tbh.. There is one blog I frequented till the guy got ill or something.. It was called "slamdunks" or something like that & they have interviews with the people that towed her car, towns people who knew the drug dealers they think were involved in her "dissaperance" & all sorts of Facts! Its pretty good info about it..
Plus there is the "infamous affadavit" that said she was cut to pieces & spread out along a pig farm.. They had a search this year & a search maybe late last year when they found a pair of jeans that matched her size/style & what she owned..
Maybe it isnt followed so much because they think she was in "too deep" with NY & NC drug dealers..
If you google "brianna maitland update" it brings that blog I was talking about right up at the top..
Emmett:
What makes you think Slamdunks is ill? I followed his blog as well - especially his features on Brianna Maitland and Ray Gricar - and I've not read it in months.
Just popped over there after reading this post, and notice he hasn't posted in over a month - rare for him. Hope he is okay....

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@ Okay - Yes, the ID Network (well netflix) took me to many sites offering poems & talking.. I had health problems & watched every episode..Yea, they have had quite a few searches in the last few years for her.. Theres a lot more infor thats "known facts" in her case than this one now.. & your welcome for the link, thanks for looking & supporting my friends work!!

@ SC/SS - He said that he or a family member had been sick or maybe it was his computer (not really sure, so im not gonna lie) but it was something to that effect.. I also read the RG case, & the last update I seen was they found his laptop in the river, maybe the same one his brother drowned in & they tried everything but couldnt find much data, only some searches about "how to fry a HD" & stuff maybe on his home pc?? But anyway, He posted that he would be gone for awhile & I hope he is ok cus I like the way he tries to post facts & also lil tidbits about lots of cases! I hope he is ok also!!
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Emmett Dove wrote:
@ Okay - Yes, the ID Network (well netflix) took me to many sites offering poems & talking.. I had health problems & watched every episode..Yea, they have had quite a few searches in the last few years for her.. Theres a lot more infor thats "known facts" in her case than this one now.. & your welcome for the link, thanks for looking & supporting my friends work!!
Interesting. I've read about Gricar, but never followed outside of news articles. Ditto for other lost and missing. I'm now convinced there are more investigative minds / types than local followers that arrive here from spin-offs of these mystery programs. You, SS, Amy and a few others. At least that explains the Chicago connection!

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@ Okay - sorry for some reason where im on mobile & viewing full site it wont let me quote a reply :(.. But, yes, I agree with you very much.. We have a cold case here about a lil girl & her family murdered that I helped search on.. In one of the elisodes of americas most wanted & unsolved mysteries, you can see me in the background for a minute walking shoulder to shoulder in a search.. Jennifer Short.. They lived approx 7-10 mins from me & ofcoures I wanted to help.. Ever since Ive been interested in all these mysterious vanishings & stuff.. I have wrote hundreds of poems for families just to let them know people care & on a negative side, have said some mean stuff I didnt really mean to people that got smart with me over it.. There are soooo many crazy ways people vanish in 10 minutes & a lot of them ive seen are in my neighboring states its heart breaking!!

In all honesty, IMHO, the ID Network keeps many cases alive & cases the normal person like me wouldnt hear about... I think its a great show to help people!!

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Wowzer, I'm 100% in agreement with you on this.....can ya believe it, LOL?!!!
What's even more shocking is that I have to agree with you that this is getting creepy. Yep, it's creeping me out too.
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While the police have dismissed any connection between MM's and BM's cases, it's curious that Brianna Maitland's disappearance has fewer followers by the public in terms of dedicated forums and active FB pages. I wonder why? Is she not a young woman who is presumed to be a victim of probable violence?
That's a very good question an I don't know if there's a definite answer.
I feel there are a couple factors at play here.

First k all MM's case is much more of a mystery, IMO. There is so much that is unknown about it I think that it leads to more interest in the case.
In BM's case LE has come out and said that they believe it's foul play. So the cops are looking for a murderer, much less mystery.
In Maura's case we don't know anything. Was she killed, could she possibly have just gotten lost in the woods somewhere, did she kill herself, did she run away? Nobody knows anything for certain. I think that fact give some of these 'amateur sleuthers' some sort of idea that they may be able to figure something out online, pull that one thread that means she definitely got killed, or committed suicide, etc.
IMO there is just much more of a mystery in Maura's case, that's certainly something that's kept me so interested in the case I'll tell you that much, not because I have any delusion I'm gonna solve it but more because I want to know what the hell happened. Also I feel, and I feel many other feel the same as well, that keeping the case in the public eye somewhat just might be the only thing that can generate that tip to LE that actually gets this case solved; whether she's been killed or even if she ran away; maybe get the attention of a friendly passerby who gave her a ride and she gave this person a fake name and said she was moving to Arizona or something. Completely made up example but I think you get my point; A tip is likely the only thing that's gonna break this case and a tip will never come without public awareness.

Also another definite factor is the dynamic that the case has taken on in these forums, people taking sides and debating the hell out of different aspects of the case, it's interesting to say the least. It's to the point where it's become personal for more than a couple people that arent family or related to Maura at all. It's very rare that any topic gets people as interested/worked up as this topic does.

Briannas forum was taken down much much sooner than Maura's, the forum never really developed into 'teams', if you will, certainly nothin like developed on the MM forums in subsequent years after the BM forum was closed. Back then there was much less of a dividing line; people were much more neutral an independent, there was not 'teams' like there are today, maybe there were in a sense but It was much less pronounced.

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Bobjenkins-OG wrote:
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It's interesting that if the cw's sighting happened she was last seen going up a dirt road near 116. This is exactly where Floyd lived, who was a sick bastard that claimed to have killed 17 people. We know he was too young for Vietnam so who are all these people he killed?? It's easy to write off as crazy talk by a sick individual but seeing his complete lack of any emotion after killing liko kenney is chilling to say the least. He was heard laughing and joking about it. I'm sorry but people who are forced to kill someone else, even if they know they're in the right, feel bad about doing it; often experiencing PTSD and other long lasting effects. This guy just didn't give a fuck, like a true psychopath.
Idk if I believe cw's sighting but even if it's wrong this guy clearly should be eliminated as a suspect. It's been said that this guy had a scanner and he definitely lived right there. At the very least He would've known that there was a young girl with mass plates out broken down on the side of the road. it's also been said that he would impersonate being a police officer, often acting as unofficial 'backup' for McKay.
LE did at least one search of his property, I believe two. So to be fair he may have been eliminated as a suspect, they're not saying either way.
If Maura was seen by Cw in that location its certainly possible..BUT it gets shot down quickly here because I FIRMLY believe theres a poster here thats somehow interested in squelching this theory...I'd like to figure out why...
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And after reading some of your posts here lately and knowing you drive around my area I may have to rethink this whole thing and start carrying protection when I go for a walk. Something just ain't right.
Wanna talk about creepy?
How about bill explaining how to put a put a body through a wood chipper and then putting it into ziplock bags and putting it through an ice fishing hole!! That's disgusting and freaky that anybody would go into that much detail. Not The first time either, there's been many times he's gone off on a tangent about ways to dispose of bodies. It's weird and gross. But that's fine with you wowzer.
Nope, it's the person that points out the disgusting process is not neccesary and it is possible to put a body through a hole in the ice. Ridiculous.

How about when beagle posted the video of the Bretton woods pass from the 11th?? He put himsel in the area at the time of her dissapearance, you were fine with that. you were fine with him implying he had something to do with her dissapearance.

It is now confirmed, your a complete and total liar. Your not interested in the truth, your interested in distracting the conversation and contradicting anything that indicates she got killed. You want this conversation to end, unless is talkin about how drunk she was or how far Into the woods she could've gotten. It's ridiculous. It's become so obvious that you are trying to divert the convo.

The q I have is why?? Why the hell do you care so much? Who are you tryin to cover for? Are you even a woman?? Are you covering for a family member who you think or know did it? Maybe a cop that you know?? Your clearly tryin to cover for someone or something. I would say your in denial but your well beyond that, your trying to cover something up. Seeing you imply that maybe I had something to do with it just makes it clearer than ever, you'll try any tactic you can to divert attention and try to ruin the discussion.

Your a flat out liar and you know it as well as I, it's just getting ridiculous now.

who the hell are you covering for? Why are you trying to end this conversation by any means neccesary??

If you think that I'm at all afraid of LE looking st me for this case then you got another thing coming. Only thing Is that I'm absolutely positive that is never going to happen. LE could look at me for 30 seconds and know I have nothin to do with it. I'm sure LE figured out who I was bak in 04, just like everyone else on the MM forum

This is just the weakest tactic yet and rather dishonest. I'd say it was the most dishonest but pretty much all the other tactics involved you lying really bad so it's hard to say.
It's not ginna work, I'm not gonna stop posting, especially bc some weirdo liar who cares more about women beaters, scumbag cops, liars, and even front lawns more than they care about a young girl who went missing in their own backyard, within eye sight of the house, who probably got murdered.
Why are you guys trying so hard to make people think she's simply in the woods? What do you get out of it?? Are you even a woman??
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If Maura was seen by Cw in that location its certainly possible..BUT it gets shot down quickly here because I FIRMLY believe theres a poster here thats somehow interested in squelching this theory...I'd like to figure out why...
I'd like to figure out why as well, at least figure out why the hell these people care so much. Why would they care so much to go so far as to lie, spread misinformation while at the same time accusing people of doing exactly what they themselves are doing.
It's just getting ridiculous. These weirdos are clearly trying to end this conversation and I want to know why

You gotta ask yourself this: who would benefit from convincing the general public that Maura simply got lost in the woods??
Only two people, or groups of people as far as I can tell. Either LE because they don't want to look bad, they don't want to look like inneffectual useless murder police who can't solve a crime even when they were in scene within minutes of the person dissapearing.
Either LE, or the perp themselves(maybe the perps friends and/or family as well) but you would think that if it was a family member they'd be in denial because I can't see a family member actually help cover up the murder of a young girl, although crazier things have happened.

The 'agenda' crowd clearly has an agenda, to make this conversation eithe end or just be about how drunk she was and how far she could've made it into the woods.

They lie and use underhanded tactics like stealing my moniker and posting ridiculous shit. When they couldn't convince people what they were saying about me was true they resorted to stealing my moniker and posting crap to try to convince people. That was when I registered and I had to use Bobjenkins-OG because they kept stealing my regular moniker. Once I complained to topix and got those posts removed they finally gave up

It's just getting ridiculous, now wowzer is ginna start carrying because I made a post that made it clear that it is possible to hide a body under the ice and it is possible to keep a body from floating back up?? Like Emmett said, this is common knowledge.
That's ridiculous, wowzer is obviously lying, there's no doubt about it. She is a liar and is clearly trying to help cover something up. The question is what side does she fall under?? Is she associated with LE? Maybe. Is she just in hardcore denial and lying to herself as well? Probably. Could she actually know something and:or be involved. I find it doubtful but possible.

Again, who would benefit from convincing the public that Maura just got lost in the woods

Cui Bono?? Latin for who profits, or benefits. That is the question that needs to be asked in all this.

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Wanna talk about creepy?
How about bill explaining how to put a put a body through a wood chipper and then putting it into ziplock bags and putting it through an ice fishing hole!! That's disgusting and freaky that anybody would go into that much detail. Not The first time either, there's been many times he's gone off on a tangent about ways to dispose of bodies. It's weird and gross. But that's fine with you wowzer.
Nope, it's the person that points out the disgusting process is not neccesary and it is possible to put a body through a hole in the ice. Ridiculous.
How about when beagle posted the video of the Bretton woods pass from the 11th?? He put himsel in the area at the time of her dissapearance, you were fine with that. you were fine with him implying he had something to do with her dissapearance.
It is now confirmed, your a complete and total liar. Your not interested in the truth, your interested in distracting the conversation and contradicting anything that indicates she got killed. You want this conversation to end, unless is talkin about how drunk she was or how far Into the woods she could've gotten. It's ridiculous. It's become so obvious that you are trying to divert the convo.
The q I have is why?? Why the hell do you care so much? Who are you tryin to cover for? Are you even a woman?? Are you covering for a family member who you think or know did it? Maybe a cop that you know?? Your clearly tryin to cover for someone or something. I would say your in denial but your well beyond that, your trying to cover something up. Seeing you imply that maybe I had something to do with it just makes it clearer than ever, you'll try any tactic you can to divert attention and try to ruin the discussion.
Your a flat out liar and you know it as well as I, it's just getting ridiculous now.
who the hell are you covering for? Why are you trying to end this conversation by any means neccesary??
If you think that I'm at all afraid of LE looking st me for this case then you got another thing coming. Only thing Is that I'm absolutely positive that is never going to happen. LE could look at me for 30 seconds and know I have nothin to do with it. I'm sure LE figured out who I was bak in 04, just like everyone else on the MM forum
This is just the weakest tactic yet and rather dishonest. I'd say it was the most dishonest but pretty much all the other tactics involved you lying really bad so it's hard to say.
It's not ginna work, I'm not gonna stop posting, especially bc some weirdo liar who cares more about women beaters, scumbag cops, liars, and even front lawns more than they care about a young girl who went missing in their own backyard, within eye sight of the house, who probably got murdered.
Why are you guys trying so hard to make people think she's simply in the woods? What do you get out of it?? Are you even a woman??
I doubt that anyone posting on this thread killed Maura or is covering for a family member who did. There would be no tangible benefit and it would only draw LE's attention to them and make them look guilty. Since LE included websleuths pages in their evidence then I think it's safe to assume that they would also check out topix and any other forums about Maura. I think some people here just have very strong opinions one way or another about their theories, and others have become very defensive about seeing people accused without any proof.

I agree with those who feel these accusations are wrong if there's no proof, which is why I don't put out theories that name names or accuse any particular person on a forum. It seems that is the type of conversation that Bill and Wowzer etc try to "shut down" before the rumors spread and I can understand that, although it seems to be a futile effort because people are going to say whatever they want - if not here then somewhere else.

Just my opinion.

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Here goes Bob an another midnight bender. Hang on everybody. Its going to get deep, and it's going to happen very wordy, and repetitive like.

And Bob, I spotted this one and find it the funniest things you have written: "They lie and use underhanded tactics like stealing my moniker and posting ridiculous shit." Bob, how would anyone tell the difference? Mostly what you post is ridiculous shit.

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