Maura Murray

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Okay and I'm not trying to argue with you, but I think its clear she wasn't trying to be rude or insensitive. I just think we should limit card playing.

not card playing with anyone. but if one makes a posting I have every rights to reply to the one making the posting.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>maybe you should ask Nancy Smith as to what info in the court documounts was supplied from family?

I think I get what you are saying.

And I should've been clearer.

All of this stuff was in the property of investigators, but some of the stuff was supplied to them by family themselves.

They had decided to re-release all of this stuff to both family and the public because none of it they deemed would hamper any kind of investigation.

Nhlover wrote:

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The phone was in the pond. When you go to the front of the dam where the dedication plaque is, facing the dam, on the left there is a blocked off road by the parking area. It has a bar across it. Between the top of that little road to just a bit down the street ( as if you were getting in your car and driving away) is where it was most likely thrown. Both of us disagreed on where he tossed it out. I did look back there but I was a little spooked by then because I had started thinking it might have actually been hers, so I wasn't really thorough. I have sinceoved away and won't be back there til spring.

Thanks.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>maybe you should ask Nancy Smith as to what info in the court documounts was supplied from family?

my mistake. she would have no way of knowing where the info came from.

I recall the name of the person who first brought the subject of hair/duct tape from the Amherst to the Franconia forum. Hannah's comments yesterday seem not to reflect cruelty, but an honest assessment of where we've been with this info. IMO, it is not new, belongs with authorities if it is authentic, and has suddenly been reintroduced either to fill blank space or create intrigue. Call me a cynic, and that's OKAY.

Ugh another storm coming....

Thanks to nhlover for the efforts to help.

The hair duct tape article appeared in the Union Leader, see below:

mcsmom wrote:
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I was following websleuths at the time, where I saw the matthew post.

If this information is one in the same (it seems quite possible) Matthew's hair/cloths/duct tape sighting might be credible and mcsmom is correct. On February 8, 2010 “Peabody” posted the following on Websleuths:

Link: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.p ...

Actual Post:
From the Union Leader
"Tests are being performed on possible new evidence in the mysterious disappearance six years ago of University of Massachusetts nursing student Maura Murray in Haverhill, according to Lt. James White, head of the New Hampshire State Police Major Crime Unit. Tuesday will mark the sixth anniversary of the day Murray vanished in the North Country after crashing her car on remote and winding Route 112 during a snowstorm shortly before 7:30 p.m. on Feb. 9, 2004.
Some time in the last two weeks, police received new information in the case, White said, though he declined to say exactly what it is.
This case is very much active." he said.
As a result of the new leads, White said, police collected items that are now in the process of being tested.
Union Leader...Nancy West 2/7/1 (February 7, 2010)
Article not online”

Note: "Matthew" posted his message on February 9th, 2010 on Amherst Topix.

hannah_b wrote:

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Why did your friend try the battery and not the sim card?

Because if they tried to use the sim card they would have been able to verify the cellphone wasn't mm. The post would then have no mystery. Just like if the poster told you the clothes were actually a very large pair of overalls. You can't be too specific or you kill the mystery.

Nhlover wrote:

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The phone was in the pond. When you go to the front of the dam where the dedication plaque is, facing the dam, on the left there is a blocked off road by the parking area. It has a bar across it. Between the top of that little road to just a bit down the street ( as if you were getting in your car and driving away) is where it was most likely thrown. Both of us disagreed on where he tossed it out. I did look back there but I was a little spooked by then because I had started thinking it might have actually been hers, so I wasn't really thorough. I have sinceoved away and won't be back there til spring.

do you recall who the dedication plaque is for? thank you.

There's a very good chance that phone didn't have a sim card in it.
Most phones in 04 didn have a sim card, the first phone I ever had that used a sim card was my iPhone that I got about 2 yrs ago. Verizon still doesn't use them.

I'm pretty sure that phone on sprint didn't have a sum card, may be wrong abou that but u don't believe I am. Anyone with more cell phone knowledge wanna chime in?

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

There's a very good chance that phone didn't have a sim card in it.
Most phones in 04 didn have a sim card, the first phone I ever had that used a sim card was my iPhone that I got about 2 yrs ago. Verizon still doesn't use them.
I'm pretty sure that phone on sprint didn't have a sum card, may be wrong abou that but u don't believe I am. Anyone with more cell phone knowledge wanna chime in?

Bobfather - your being lazy you could find out on the went in seconds if mm phone had a sim card or not just by looking at the cellphone type.

I'm sure our forums mystery guess already did that. I'm sure they would have googled the cellphone type to see if they had the same make and model of the cellphone of a missing girl before typing this in the forum.

I'm still trying to figure out how they found the phone in water tried to see if the battery worked, and then drove around with it before throwing it out the window and that's why they can't find it?

Ok lighthouse so it did have a sim card?

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

Ok lighthouse so it did have a sim card?

I didn't check. the story didnt sound like it made any sense so I didn't care enough to check. Even if the phone did have a sim card since it was thrown back into the unknown it doesn't really matter now.

By the way is everything okay? That was a short post is this really Jenkins?

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Because if they tried to use the sim card they would have been able to verify the cellphone wasn't mm. The post would then have no mystery. Just like if the poster told you the clothes were actually a very large pair of overalls. You can't be too specific or you kill the mystery.

My post that was deemed "cruel" and insensitive" (maybe it was, not my intention though) was directed towards the posts to of the type "I found something but I won´t tell you what it is" and "I urgently need to contact MM family, but I´m not going to tell you why". If the poster really found something possibly connected to MM case, do tell LE, but why post to a public forum. It only creates more rumors and serves to stir the pot. Given the history of MM forums, we only know this type of posts and their purpose too well. I´m sure the cell phone story was one more of the same kind. Any kid knows that to access info on the phone or to make calls/texts at someone elses expense, one uses the sim card. Why try out the battery? Even if not damaged, it would have gone dead pretty quick in an area with poor to no reception.

Having doing some googling, I found out MM cell phone was a Sprint Samsung SPH-A620.
Sprint reportedly doesn´t take sim cards, they use CDMA technology, where your information is stored directly onto the phone itself.
So, poster and friend could have checked to see if it was a Samsung A620 and if it had a sim card. No Samsung A620 = not MM phone and sim card in place = not MM phone.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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As much as Jenky drives me nuts I'd hate to see him or anyone here harmed. I hope he rethinks meeting this stranger to go hiking or brings a large group of friends along with him.

I appreciate your concern wowzer, I really do.
I wasn't even really talking about meetin up with someone I was more talking coordinating efforts so we aren't checking the same spots, cover more ground.

I ain't worried about some nut fucking with me, anybody who would hurt an innocent girl is truly a coward who should be more worried about me than I of them.

And besides, I gotta Glock G23 that I'm licensed to carry anywhere in the country & have with me almost always...you can bet your ass I'll have that shit with me if I'm in the woods searching by myself or with others. I always carry it in the woods, except for when I'm mt biking.

More google results: MM cell phone did not, I repeat did not, have a red light. The only red light that could possibly be connected to a SAmsung A620 would AFAIK come from the travel charger. If she had the travel charger with her. ANd it would have had to be connected inside the car and would probably not be visible from the outside some distance away (FW´s position). I´d love to be proven wrong on this one!

Lighthouse- in 99% positive that phone did not have a SIM card.

As of July 2008 there were no spring phones that had SIM cards, they used CDMA technology, not GSM which is the SIM card technology.

As far as I can tell the first sprint phone available that used the SIM card technology was the iPhone 4 which sprint didn't even offer until sometime last year, maybe even early this year.

So no, that phone did not have a SIM card attached to it, no sprint phones did back then. AT&T and Cingular were the only phones that used SIM cards u til very recently & most sprint phones today do not have SIM cards.

So maybe next time before you give a snarky response like you did to the other poster and call me lazy for saying something I knew to be true, maybe you should try not being lazy and do some googling yourself?

Specs on Samsung SPH-A620

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php...

Hey Hannah thanks for posting that.

Where on the page do you see what color light it had on it?

I remember posting something about this a while back, saying that I didn't think a phone like that even had a red light, or any light at all. Most new phones don't have lights on them like old phones did.

Well someone chimed in and said they had the exact same phone as Maura and that it did have some sort of light on it that would light up when the phone was in use. They also said that you could set this light to either be blue or red of off in the phones settings.
I took the person at their word cuz it sounded like they knew what they were talkin about and I do remember a Samsung phone that had a blue light on it near the hinge. but were they just talkin out there ass?

Where on that page did you see anything about what color light it has on it? Did you look thru the owners manual? When I get home I was gonna take a look at the manual & see what it's got to say, unless you already did that

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

Hey Hannah thanks for posting that.
Where on the page do you see what color light it had on it?
I remember posting something about this a while back, saying that I didn't think a phone like that even had a red light, or any light at all. Most new phones don't have lights on them like old phones did.
Well someone chimed in and said they had the exact same phone as Maura and that it did have some sort of light on it that would light up when the phone was in use. They also said that you could set this light to either be blue or red of off in the phones settings.
I took the person at their word cuz it sounded like they knew what they were talkin about and I do remember a Samsung phone that had a blue light on it near the hinge. but were they just talkin out there ass?
Where on that page did you see anything about what color light it has on it? Did you look thru the owners manual? When I get home I was gonna take a look at the manual & see what it's got to say, unless you already did that

It´s not on the link. I googled the model and checked various sites. Nowhere is it mentioned a red (or other color) light anywhere on the phone itself. I could be wrong, but it really doesn´t appear this phone model had a red light.