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“"Dancing with wolves"”
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Anne wrote: <quoted text>Thank you for admitting this is not a poi, it appears that you may have concluded what many of us have..it is a frustrating search for what happened to Maura on 2/9 although I want to say that I believe eventually there will come a break in this case that will solve it. Did you mimic the stance of a once famous lawyer and think with drama and attacks that it would expose someone? I am just wondering your objective in your statements. Thank you for your efforts on her and family's behalf. Rest assured, what goes around, comes around. Unbelievable! There's something wrong with people when they defend and even make excuses for someone that is a liar, arrogant, rude and calls people that have been here for some time disgusting names and verbally attacks them. And there's also something wrong when people that live in the area where Maura went off the road are falsely accused for almost 7 years of being guilty of something to do with her disappearance. Another new person in the area has been named, implicated as a POI and possibly guilty of burying a missing person in cement at their business. Even the family and the families business was made public. I understand that this info has been spread to other forums. Now the person that said all this crap changes his mind and says the local man is not a murderer and was a POI because of where he lived and he had a red truck etc. Another local person lied about. Another local person falsely accused. Another family dragged thru the mud on a public forum. And Anne even tries to give the person that made all the libelous statements an excuse by asking...... ***Did you mimic the stance of a once famous lawyer and think with drama and attacks that it would expose someone? I am just wondering your objective in your statements. Thank you for your efforts on her and family's behalf.*** I realize now that this forum is not really for finding a missing woman. It has a completely different agenda which I no longer care to be a part of. I blame myself for being stupid enough to keep coming here day after day just to be called names and beat up. I also thought I could be of some help being that I knew the land and lived close. Silly me.I couldn't have been more wrong. Time to give my computer a rest and spend more time with family and friends that are caring and kind. I truly hope that Maura is found but until then enjoy the bashing as that is what some here live for. Sleep well Anne and Shack. I know I will. Carry on!
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Shack
Groton, MA
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March 2009.. What RO saw was not the run of the mill circumstances, it was out of the ordinary, and she felt that law enforcement was not very concerned with her report of the red truck driver.
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Anne
Marshfield, VT
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Wowzer, I did not defend, excuse or add to anything that was addressed by Bill. I have always stated that name calling is wrong.
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Euroobserver
Uppsala, Sweden
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hannah_b wrote: <quoted text>
People do not become POIs just because they live within a certain radius of where a missing person was last seen, so if this guy really is a POI in the eyes of LE, there must be a more specific reason. WE know they were looking for red trucks already within a few hours of MMs disappearance, wonder what made them do that. Something a witness said, that havenīt been made public? I do agree they have been searching the wrong area, though. BTW, SBD was 63, so hardly died of old age. Apparently there is likely to have been some kind of witness statement, unknown to the public, for the Haverhill PD to stop a number of pick-up trucks on the night Maura disappeared. Witness RO only told LE about her observations much later. If there indeed was such a witness statement to spark the LE interest in pick-up trucks that night, it would seem fairly likely that someone living near the Weathered Barn incident/accident site might have witnessed a pick-up truck around Mauraīs car at the crucial time prior to Mauraīs vanishing. I believe a number of posters have been posting excerpts from the police logs regarding the locations of the stopped pick-up trucks on the night between February 9th and 10th 2004. IIRC there were a number of stopped trucks along NH Route 25 between Haverhill and Warren - perhaps some of you still have access to the police logs and could kindly re-post this? I also seem to recall that there was a poster, either here on Topix or some other MM forum, who a couple of years ago purported to have witnessed considerable LE activity somewhere near Route 25 in the Glencliff-Warren area, which was apparently considered to have had something to do with the MM case. There is also the poster on another MM thread who recently wrote about a supposedly "disappearing" red pick-up truck in the Warren area, which could no longer be traced in the NH DMV files. I cut-and-pasted that statement on this forum a few days ago.
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Sara
Hamilton, Bermuda
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Wow, looks like a lot happened on here over the weekend! How quickly things change! Very interesting.
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Snowy
Gloucester, MA
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Wowzer the real one wrote: <quoted text>
Unbelievable! There's something wrong with people when they defend and even make excuses for someone that is a liar, arrogant, rude and calls people that have been here for some time disgusting names and verbally attacks them.
And there's also something wrong when people that live in the area where Maura went off the road are falsely accused for almost 7 years of being guilty of something to do with her disappearance.
Another new person in the area has been named, implicated as a POI and possibly guilty of burying a missing person in cement at their business. Even the family and the families business was made public. I understand that this info has been spread to other forums.
Now the person that said all this crap changes his mind and says the local man is not a murderer and was a POI because of where he lived and he had a red truck etc.
Another local person lied about. Another local person falsely accused. Another family dragged thru the mud on a public forum.
And Anne even tries to give the person that made all the libelous statements an excuse by asking......
***Did you mimic the stance of a once famous lawyer and think with drama and attacks that it would expose someone? I am just wondering your objective in your statements. Thank you for your efforts on her and family's behalf.***
I realize now that this forum is not really for finding a missing woman. It has a completely different agenda which I no longer care to be a part of. I blame myself for being stupid enough to keep coming here day after day just to be called names and beat up. I also thought I could be of some help being that I knew the land and lived close. Silly me.I couldn't have been more wrong.
Time to give my computer a rest and spend more time with family and friends that are caring and kind.
I truly hope that Maura is found but until then enjoy the bashing as that is what some here live for.
Sleep well Anne and Shack. I know I will. Carry on! well stated, of course. she, and Sister Shack enjoy this diversion...the embodiment of insufferably smug, pitiful, hopelessly insidious and woeful gossip-mongering. have no expectation that you can reason with, shame or redirect their small-mindedness, and intentional participation in this destructive arm chair sport. you can be certain that whatever the subject, trust that the focus of her world is exactly what she's demonstrated, and what you and others have observed over several years. be very grateful your world is not limited to the badgering of others.
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Since: Jan 11
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hannah_b wrote: <quoted text>
People do not become POIs just because they live within a certain radius of where a missing person was last seen, so if this guy really is a POI in the eyes of LE, there must be a more specific reason. WE know they were looking for red trucks already within a few hours of MMs disappearance, wonder what made them do that. Something a witness said, that havenīt been made public? I do agree they have been searching the wrong area, though. BTW, SBD was 63, so hardly died of old age. Yes people in the immediate area do become POI's as a matter of fact, they are then questioned and cleared. As far as that other person he is a POI with LE but I think they are going in the wrong direction, in fact I am convinced of it. As far as the red truck last week was the first I heard of it. My grandfather died at 62 back in 1971, so I guess when your time is up it is up. SBD was not a healthy man he was my kids bus driver, and I know this from them that he was a good guy, they liked him very much. In the beginning even he was a POI until he was questioned and then cleared. Hell even my kids now former step father was, because they lived in the area. He knows those woods like the back of his hands as well, and he even says if she is up there they will never find her, but he doesn't think she is in there either.
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rozShoem
Fairport, NY
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Bill 05478 wrote: <quoted text>
Not chasing red trucks FYI. But, you've been chasing your tail for seven years and have nothing. Try getting off your ass and actually doing something rather than passing judgement and coming to your own conclusions. Finding "THE RED TRUCK" in Woodsville would be like finding a needle in a haystack. There are more red trucks in Woodsville than you can imagine. The only reasons the person I spoke of was ever and is a person of interest is only because of a few things, 1) He lives in the area, 2) He has a red truck, 3) He refused to cooperate with LE, maybe out of insult but I don't know. I do know that innocent people do sometimes refuse to cooperate only because they take offense to being even thought of in that light. I circled that area yesterday I went up Bradley Hill Rd. and circled back to Woodsville via Rte. 116. Just looking down from 116 MHO it would be near impossible if not entirely impossible to find any signs of any human remains...PERIOD. There is a lot of vast land there and very hilly terrain, I just don't see it happening if MM is in there and especially after seven long years. I also no longer believe that the person should be considered a POI, he may be a little off but he's not a killer. Was D. Messier of Vermont ever found? He disapeared in 2006(?) as did his red 1997 pickup truck. What is this about red trucks? Evidentally they're quite popular in VT and NH even though they keep disappearing. Don was very well-liked and his family and friends continue their search for him.
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Beagle
Saint Louis, MO
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On Friday, 7/18/2008, I telephoned 3 or 4 regional woodworkers/wood dealers to see whether they were interested in buying some spalted maple I had for sale. One of them was the Fretted Instrument Workshop in Amherst. The owner was not in. The VERY NEXT DAY, Quija, in post 3124, wrote, in response to a jokey word play of mine about golf, "... Why golf when you can collect rocks, shells, bird feathers, and spalted wood?" Since almost no one knows what spalted maple is, I don't believe Quija's reference to "spalted wood" is even close to a coincidence. Quija's message was clear, and quickly delivered. Either: 1)Quija had access to what I spoke aloud in my house; 2) Quija had access to what I said on my phone; 3) Quija had access to what was said on the phone at one or more of the places I called. This, among a few other similar experiences, makes me think something serious is going on here. Bugging someone's conversations is not a trivial act. Either the police were using a listening device, and therefore Quija has a direct connection to LE; or some relatively sophisticated person or group in the private sector was using a listening device - a bug in common language.
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Beagle
Saint Louis, MO
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I am amazed by the "splated wood" reference in Quija's post. It is an outrage. To be the constant target of this kind of sophisticated surveillance is eventually very hard to contend with. And the spalted maple incident is only one of at least several, if not many, like it. Is Maura Murray's family behind this? Do they give it at least their tacit assent? Do they authorize it? Do they participate in it? Does someone pay for it? Is a PI going over the top? Is LE going over the top? What gives? Why on earth would someone want to "bug" my conversations? I don't know, but whoever was doing this kind of eavesdropping was obviously interested in what I, or another woodworker, were saying. And I really doubt this was some kind of accidental case of my having called another woodworker who just happened to have his phone bugged by someone known to Quija. I have been a target of this underhanded, scummy investigation for a long time now. Too long.
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Anne
Marshfield, VT
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Beagle wrote: On Friday, 7/18/2008, I telephoned 3 or 4 regional woodworkers/wood dealers to see whether they were interested in buying some spalted maple I had for sale. One of them was the Fretted Instrument Workshop in Amherst. The owner was not in.
The VERY NEXT DAY, Quija, in post 3124, wrote, in response to a jokey word play of mine about golf,
"... Why golf when you can collect rocks, shells, bird feathers, and spalted wood?"
Since almost no one knows what spalted maple is, I don't believe Quija's reference to "spalted wood" is even close to a coincidence. Quija's message was clear, and quickly delivered.
Either:
1)Quija had access to what I spoke aloud in my house;
2) Quija had access to what I said on my phone;
3) Quija had access to what was said on the phone at one or more of the places I called.
This, among a few other similar experiences, makes me think something serious is going on here. Bugging someone's conversations is not a trivial act.
Either the police were using a listening device, and therefore Quija has a direct connection to LE; or some relatively sophisticated person or group in the private sector was using a listening device - a bug in common language. Beagle,That is an unsettling post. I hope you can be safe and not harrassed like that.
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Snowy
Gloucester, MA
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Beagle wrote: On Friday, 7/18/2008, I telephoned 3 or 4 regional woodworkers/wood dealers to see whether they were interested in buying some spalted maple I had for sale. One of them was the Fretted Instrument Workshop in Amherst. The owner was not in.
The VERY NEXT DAY, Quija, in post 3124, wrote, in response to a jokey word play of mine about golf,
"... Why golf when you can collect rocks, shells, bird feathers, and spalted wood?"
Since almost no one knows what spalted maple is, I don't believe Quija's reference to "spalted wood" is even close to a coincidence. Quija's message was clear, and quickly delivered.
Either:
1)Quija had access to what I spoke aloud in my house;
2) Quija had access to what I said on my phone;
3) Quija had access to what was said on the phone at one or more of the places I called.
This, among a few other similar experiences, makes me think something serious is going on here. Bugging someone's conversations is not a trivial act.
Either the police were using a listening device, and therefore Quija has a direct connection to LE; or some relatively sophisticated person or group in the private sector was using a listening device - a bug in common language. i doubt you will believe me, or anyone, as the coincidence is unfortunate and uncanny.....but Quija is a person of many interests and hobbies. each of the areas quoted in the above sentence represent her personal interests, studied accomplishments, and creativity. she is, however, a naturalist of sorts.....and i am not at all surprised that she would know about wood as much as any other material or medium. she also comments with clever amusement, sarcasm and brilliance in written and spoken conversations. believe as you wish, but this person assuredly does not pose a threat to your well being, nor is the accusation against her appropriately considered.
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Snowy
Gloucester, MA
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there are so many causes, charities, gripping sad stories and tragedies to care about and act upon (in a good way) in this world. to originally behave, as Maura's father, and by extension, his group of supporters have, by antagonizing and alienating the local residents of northern NH, has been non-productive at every level. there are still no personal consequences and nothing to lose for Anne, Shack and anonymous posters who continue to insult and target individuals, and groups of individuals, with abandon. the luxury to do so, is afforded by topix, and by the presumption that the stranger, Maura, is a priority. anything goes. it has become a hobby, if not a way of life. the immersion is total...complete. Wowzer is correct in knowing that attempting to rationalize with or by being compassionate toward these folks is a complete waste of time and energy. the endless loop of pointless negativity, which began and will end with the actions of these folks, has succeeded only to trivializing their intended cause....to "find" Maura. sorry to spoil all the fun, but the reality is that there is no new news. end of story.
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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Snowy wrote: <quoted text>
i doubt you will believe me, or anyone, as the coincidence is unfortunate and uncanny.....but Quija is a person of many interests and hobbies. each of the areas quoted in the above sentence represent her personal interests, studied accomplishments, and creativity. she is, however, a naturalist of sorts.....and i am not at all surprised that she would know about wood as much as any other material or medium.
she also comments with clever amusement, sarcasm and brilliance in written and spoken conversations.
believe as you wish, but this person assuredly does not pose a threat to your well being, nor is the accusation against her appropriately considered. Correct. I don't believe you. Nor should anyone else. It was not a coincidence. To defend it as a mere coincidence is rather puzzling, to say the least. Besides which, one does not normally collect spalted wood in the same way one collects the other things mentioned in Quija's post - "rocks, shells, and bird feathers." In short, Snowy, you're pathetically, desperately, and poorly trying to defend the impossible, which says a lot.
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Beagle wrote: <quoted text>Correct. I don't believe you. Nor should anyone else. It was not a coincidence. To defend it as a mere coincidence is rather puzzling, to say the least. Besides which, one does not normally collect spalted wood in the same way one collects the other things mentioned in Quija's post - "rocks, shells, and bird feathers." In short, Snowy, you're pathetically, desperately, and poorly trying to defend the impossible, which says a lot. She seems to always defend nonsense! She says no BS zone here well she's the bull and she's full of it!!!
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Snowy
Gloucester, MA
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Beagle wrote: <quoted text>Correct. I don't believe you. Nor should anyone else. It was not a coincidence. To defend it as a mere coincidence is rather puzzling, to say the least. Besides which, one does not normally collect spalted wood in the same way one collects the other things mentioned in Quija's post - "rocks, shells, and bird feathers." In short, Snowy, you're pathetically, desperately, and poorly trying to defend the impossible, which says a lot. as my dear Aunt Mary used to say....."suit yourself". i understand that your involvement has been deep at nearly every level by virtue of your efforts, contacts and relationships over the years. i know this by reading your posts online. i can speak to Quija's character by my personal knowledge as i have stated above. it's not my obligation to offer a defense for her. and that says nothing, in particular, unless you wish to attempt to connect dots, as you are known to do. in this, and in many other instances, there is no interconnectivity. my interest has been casual and observational...an extension of the Liko Kenney issue brought me here, although i had read about Maura's disappearance when it first occurred. why do you care so much about Maura Murray? i will not be more specific about Quija's hobbies because, quite frankly, it's none of your business. or Anne's. i ordinarily choose my words carefully so as to maintain civility. however, i'll repeat that bullsh*it doesn't fly with me. it is pathetic that so many are so deeply involved....creating intrigue and fantasy that has crept into your personal lives. and bizarre. check out the women who have cast a suspicious eye toward you, Beagle....and focus on them to unwind your concerns. i don't have to name them. they were here from day one, and they waddle.
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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Snowy wrote: <quoted text>
i doubt you will believe me, or anyone, as the coincidence is unfortunate and uncanny.....but Quija is a person of many interests and hobbies. each of the areas quoted in the above sentence represent her personal interests, studied accomplishments, and creativity. she is, however, a naturalist of sorts.....and i am not at all surprised that she would know about wood as much as any other material or medium.
she also comments with clever amusement, sarcasm and brilliance in written and spoken conversations.
believe as you wish, but this person assuredly does not pose a threat to your well being, nor is the accusation against her appropriately considered. Are you talking about Quija or yourself? You seem to know her quite well. Very well, indeed. So well that you try to steer the point off course. The point is not whether Quija represents a threat to me. I made no reference to her representing any kind of threat. The point is that someone used a listening device to eavesdrop on my phone conversations. There is just no way any rational person can believe that on one day I try to sell spalted maple on the phone and the next day Quija "coincidentally" mentions "spalted" wood. And this is not the only time Quija has leaked some personal information about me on these Topix threads. My point is not whether I am safe. It is that Maura Murray's disappearance is a very intense and recklessly conducted investigation that will target the innocent for unknown reasons. This kind of investigation, one that uses sophisticated eavesdropping equipment, is not seeking the whereabouts of a merely drunk driver who tried to evade the law. Especially since I am located about three hours south of Haverhill NH. Whoever is investigating Maura's disappearance is using Topix and is targeting at least one person - me - in the Amherst area. Why?????
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Snowy
Gloucester, MA
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Beagle wrote: <quoted text>Are you talking about Quija or yourself? You seem to know her quite well. Very well, indeed. So well that you try to steer the point off course. The point is not whether Quija represents a threat to me. I made no reference to her representing any kind of threat. The point is that someone used a listening device to eavesdrop on my phone conversations. There is just no way any rational person can believe that on one day I try to sell spalted maple on the phone and the next day Quija "coincidentally" mentions "spalted" wood.
And this is not the only time Quija has leaked some personal information about me on these Topix threads.
My point is not whether I am safe. It is that Maura Murray's disappearance is a very intense and recklessly conducted investigation that will target the innocent for unknown reasons.
This kind of investigation, one that uses sophisticated eavesdropping equipment, is not seeking the whereabouts of a merely drunk driver who tried to evade the law. Especially since I am located about three hours south of Haverhill NH. Whoever is investigating Maura's disappearance is using Topix and is targeting at least one person - me - in the Amherst area.
Why????? i am speaking about Quija. as you are. as you are accusing her of eavesdropping. i don't know why you are "targeted". ask Helena, Lady Gray, FireCat, elsewherebriefly, Anne and Columbo, to name a few. that's my point. i now need to get back to work.
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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Snowy wrote: <quoted text>
i am speaking about Quija. as you are. as you are accusing her of eavesdropping.
i don't know why you are "targeted". ask Helena, Lady Gray, FireCat, elsewherebriefly, Anne and Columbo, to name a few.
that's my point.
i now need to get back to work. Still, you cannot address the actual issue here, of the eavesdropping, of the electronic surveillance of someone (or possibly more than one person) in the Amherst MA area. What moniker was used to post the information matters far less than the fact that it was posted at all. Someone using the Quija moniker had access to my phone conversations - plain and simple. I'm not saying that the same person who was using the Quija moniker also bugged my conversations, although it's possible. I'm saying that someone using the Quija moniker had ACCESS to those conversations, knew about them, in detail. This issue is, repeat, about the level of interest in Maura Murray's disappearance and how far someone will go to investigate or target or intimidate someone. I basically don't care whether Quija, or Firecat, or EWB, or Shack, or Fred the lawyer, or Dawn, or anyone else posted the reference to "spalted wood." The point here is not what moniker was used. The point is that Maura's disappearance is about more than a vanished drunk driver. No one would eavesdrop on someone in western MA because a UMass student disappeared in Haverhill NH if western MA was not relevant to the investigation. Which means that even if Maura was driving the Saturn at the WB curve and she was drunk, there is a lot about western MA and Amherst in particular of interest to someone, no matter what moniker they're using. You make Quija sound like she's a real person. Maybe she is and maybe she's not. It's impossible to tell. Any one person can use several monikers. As we all should know by now.
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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What happened to post 2743? disappeared pretty fast. In fact, there's been a lot of activity on the various Franconia Topix forums this AM. One of those days, I guess.
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