Maura Murray

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

People have their real names on Facebook. People use their real names online all the time, we know Emmett's real name and no one is killing him.
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I use my real name cus I wanted to help.. I have helped raise money in several cases through my music.. One thing people like to pick on me but dont understand that I USED to be a minor-celeb down south.. Have been on several tours in Europe, & have performed all across the US.. Now though, the newer music is not coming out the way Ida hoped & had to go back into security.. I still get royalties from older songs from 95~98 & a small minor complation from 06.. We still hve the company but its not what it was before Napster & this new age crap music..

My wife left this world early & in a tragic motor vehicle crash.. I post on many places all with the same MO.. A dedicated personal poem to the family & offer any help that I can.. Do I get turned down? Plenty of times.. But i post on several sites every couple weeks & I have made plenty of nice friendly net buddies cus of it .. If I can make 1 person smile with even the dumbest post.. Ive done my job :)

Im off work & no one wants to chat or debate or anything??:(

Ohh well, im sure most everyone is gearing up for the holidays.. I have done about 80% of everything asked of me, the other cooking & taking family to places wont happen till next week..

Im not that bad a person to debate & chat with..

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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That's weird, you live in grafton cty now?
Haven't you always said that you live down in Florida now? What happened to that? I though you retired and moved to Florida, that's not true?
Dude what's up with that?
I live in grafton cty too, north of Plymouth but south of littleton, maybe we're neighbors! Many we should hang out sometime buddy?

I NEVER said I moved to Florida, I retired but never moved. I would however like to move but my business is here.

Ironic how you continue to make inaccurate assumptions on so many things. Hmmmmm

JWB wrote:

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well well well. The word hypocrite comes to mind. It is scarey that anyone would want to find the name of other posters.
when it comes to FRMLE, he outed himself when he used his name as his moniker many months back.

When did I out myself again? Who am I?

Emmett Dove wrote:

Im off work & no one wants to chat or debate or anything??:(

Sorry Emmett, too busy to really talk right now, barely have time to read, but have a happy Thanksgiving to you and all others and their families here.

Bill

https://www.youtube.com/watch...

Ridiculous wrote:

Or maybe Beagle deserves everything that happens to him because he is a dick head who crossed the line and posted videos that no matter what there intent was, were disgusting! Maybe dick head Beagle should have considered the effect his actions would have on himself and his family before he prostituted himself and attached himself to this case just for the attention he finally got. On and on people go about how intelligent Beagle is..Bullshit..You Sir are mentally ill and coming back to this forum is the worse thing you could possibly do for your illness. An intelligent person would know that.
Man up, accept responsibility for the actions you chose that put you where you are and quit crying like a little bitch!

I disagree with you about a couple of things. First of all, just because someone suffers mental illness doesn't mean they aren't also intelligent. Many people with mental illness have above-average intelligence. That stereotype bothers me because I work with a lot of people who suffer mental illness who also happen to be very intelligent people who sometimes make bad or dangerous choices.

Second, I don't think anyone deserves to lose their job or be shunned by family and neighbors over an Internet posting. I don't agree with some of the videos that were posted, but I also don't think that someone deserves to lose their job over it. Yes, all actions have consequences. But at what point does he stop "getting what he deserves"? Once he has lost everything or someone gets fed up and beats him? Will that be enough?

I thought the point of his post was not to whine but to illustrate that outing someone online can have real life consequences. He answered Jenkins question. His are extreme examples, but I agree with his points. Using people's real names online can sometimes cost them their jobs or keep them from getting hired etc. Just like bullying people online can cause them damage in real life.

amy researches wrote:

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I disagree with you about a couple of things. First of all, just because someone suffers mental illness doesn't mean they aren't also intelligent. Many people with mental illness have above-average intelligence. That stereotype bothers me because I work with a lot of people who suffer mental illness who also happen to be very intelligent people who sometimes make bad or dangerous choices.
Second, I don't think anyone deserves to lose their job or be shunned by family and neighbors over an Internet posting. I don't agree with some of the videos that were posted, but I also don't think that someone deserves to lose their job over it. Yes, all actions have consequences. But at what point does he stop "getting what he deserves"? Once he has lost everything or someone gets fed up and beats him? Will that be enough?
I thought the point of his post was not to whine but to illustrate that outing someone online can have real life consequences. He answered Jenkins question. His are extreme examples, but I agree with his points. Using people's real names online can sometimes cost them their jobs or keep them from getting hired etc. Just like bullying people online can cause them damage in real life.

100% correct on all counts. I an not a fan of Beagle, and I almost never read his stuff, BUT, he doesn't deserve that these things happened to him. You have the right to be an asshole without having your life turned upside down, and if he isn't an asshole, but someone with mental illness why would he deserve any of what happened to him? And I do feel sorry for what happened to him, it's not right. And before someone brings up the limits of free speech and yelling fire in a crowded movie theater, that is not what he did. He only pissed off some people with the content of what he posted. Anything further than that, the police took care of. As it should be. The rights of free speech aren't there for people to agree or not get angry. The most important aspect of free speech is to ALLOW unpopular or upsetting speech to be heard within the limits of the law, civil as well as criminal. Meaning that you also cannot defame by libel or slander.

We vote for our candidate of choice in elections in anonymity for a reason. The internet should be the same for people who want it. If you don't like what you see or hear, change the channel and stop bitching about what you are reading or watching. I don't read most of what Bob or JWB posts anymore for just that reason and I feel very good about it, and it still lets them rant on, win - win. Most see what they post for what it is, just as most see what Beagle posts for what it is. And for the record, I think he is pretty smart also, but a little too far out there for me.

Bill

amy researches wrote:

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I thought the point of his post was not to whine but to illustrate that outing someone online can have real life consequences. He answered Jenkins question. His are extreme examples, but I agree with his points. Using people's real names online can sometimes cost them their jobs or keep them from getting hired etc. Just like bullying people online can cause them damage in real life.

Very well said, Amy -- all of it. With regard to these specific comments, it can also be noted that quite a few people in recent years have had job problems due to what they themselves have posted in places such as Facebook. For example, teachers who can't rely on freedom of speech to protect their jobs if in their private lives they post something online that school administrators find objectionable.

Advocator wrote:

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Very well said, Amy -- all of it. With regard to these specific comments, it can also be noted that quite a few people in recent years have had job problems due to what they themselves have posted in places such as Facebook. For example, teachers who can't rely on freedom of speech to protect their jobs if in their private lives they post something online that school administrators find objectionable.

In today's hypersensitive atmosphere everyone needs to be on their toes. I won't go into the recent loss of Petraus, an incredibly competent leader (of which we are woefully lacking), for something that should have only been between him and his wife. We hold public officials now to absurd standards of conduct that no one else would be held to. I hope this ridiculous trend stops soon and we learn to differentiate between personal and public acts.

Bill

Omg bill you "feel sorry or what's happened to him" in reference to beagle??

He posted some sick, deranged videos online taunting the family of a missin and probably murdered girl and the family and media had a reaction, and a pretty mild one at that. Jack Levin called Jim a sadist. Healy called him a deranged individual, the family called him something similar and said he was irrelevant.
Seems prett tame considering what he did.

Now renner has outed him on his totally obscure blog. How many people do you think even read his blog? It's not like his name was on the front of USA today, which may have actually been appropriate for the videos he made.
He made videos that not only taunted the family but also implied that he was her killer, I'm surprised there wasn't a lot more media about it than there was.

The fact of the matter is that once beagle released those videos he opened himself up to all that could potentiall come along with them, which is potentially a lot. If he didn't want all those repurcussions that he was talking about, then he shouldn't have made videos taunting the family.
He talks about renner's posts like they're threatening or dangerous or something. The guy is a journalist, that is his job to bring attention to interesting topics. And someone making videos taunting Maura's family and implying he's her killer sure is interesting.
In reality beagle got a very tame version of what could've been a major reaction.

amy researches wrote:

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I disagree with you about a couple of things. First of all, just because someone suffers mental illness doesn't mean they aren't also intelligent. Many people with mental illness have above-average intelligence. That stereotype bothers me because I work with a lot of people who suffer mental illness who also happen to be very intelligent people who sometimes make bad or dangerous choices.
Second, I don't think anyone deserves to lose their job or be shunned by family and neighbors over an Internet posting. I don't agree with some of the videos that were posted, but I also don't think that someone deserves to lose their job over it. Yes, all actions have consequences. But at what point does he stop "getting what he deserves"? Once he has lost everything or someone gets fed up and beats him? Will that be enough?
I thought the point of his post was not to whine but to illustrate that outing someone online can have real life consequences. He answered Jenkins question. His are extreme examples, but I agree with his points. Using people's real names online can sometimes cost them their jobs or keep them from getting hired etc. Just like bullying people online can cause them damage in real life.

I totally agree. Well said Amy.

For those that are either blind, can't read or choose not to read I'll repeat what's been said several times before.
It is DANGEROUS to the poster, their family and maybe even their friends to have their name, address and/or personal information outed on a public forum. If they want to do it themselves then that's up to them but it's a whole different game when a stranger is trying to find out the posters identity. Once that identity is found there is no guarantee that it won't be passed around to different posters or made public on a forum.
Some of us have seen what could happen when the SBD's Florida address was mentioned on an older forum. An obviously mentally disturbed person that acted quite dangerous stated he was going to the SBD's home and have a talk with him.I believe his name was Johnny Bravado if my memory is correct.
There are others besides just us watching this forum.
It's being cautious NOT paranoid to keep real identities private. If someone is going to the trouble of trying to find that information out then be very aware that it is most likely not for a good reason.
For those that think it's no big deal then why don't you put your real name and address here for all to see? Yeh right, I didn't think so.
Better yet why don't you have one of the strangers that post here(yes we are strangers to one another) start digging into YOUR life to find out who you really are or where you live. If that doesn't work then have them call people in your neighborhood asking to speak to whatever moniker you're using.
JWB claims he knows who I am. He must have done some super heavy digging to find out that information. Beware or he'll know who you are next if he doesn't already.
Paranoid no, concerned yes.

Sorry Jenkins for using up so much of your space.

Periodically, and regularly, the conversation defaults to the edgy, off-topic of "find your ass". The creepy people you'd never choose to befriend want to become online buddies (or stalkers). No always means no.

Multiple posts are annoying. Not intended.

Okay, so I've had the afternoon to consider my earlier post. Amy, you are correct when you bring up intelligence and mental illness. Licoln,Churchill,Franklin and even Freud. Hell most good writers have had their battles with "Black Ass" As Hemingway would say. The studies done on the correlation between Genius and mental illness go on and on. I will also say this; There is no doubt that Beagle is very intelligent and likely more so than me.
Bill and Wowser, I do agree with what you say concerning free speech. I agree with you concerning outing people with exception, and here, unfortunately,I agree with Jenky 100%!
Renner outed Beagle because he manipulated a video of his son.Beagle certainly crossed a line when he made his creepy videos. Not a line I drew on a sidewalk with chalk, but a line that most people with morals would object to. Was he entitled to do so because of free speech, maybe so, but certainly there are consequences and he has experienced them first hand. I believe that Renner had every right to out him for the video of his son. Do I think I had I right to out him because of his videos? No.
Mental illness is not an excuse. Many of our greatest leaders and contributors to society have suffered mental illness. If you are capable of writing well and putting a fluid thought or sentence together, you are aware enough to know when you need help. If you refuse to seek help because of denial or your ego, you deserve whatever you get.
Beagle is not homeless and ostracized because of his videos. He was homeless and ostracized before they came out and before Renner outed him. He was/is in that situation because he is mentally ill and unwilling to get the help he needs because of his ego.
To listen to him go on and on about what has become of him after being outed is sickening! His life was this way long before he got outed! Free speech and the right to privacy should be protected, but, again, unfortunately, I am in agreement with Jenky, I think he got off pretty mildly.
One last point; There must be someone here who works in the field of mental health. Would anyone with any knowledge suggest that it is a good idea for Beagle to be back at this site after how it has affected him?!

Wowzer the real one wrote:

For those that are either blind, can't read or choose not to read I'll repeat what's been said several times before.
It is DANGEROUS to the poster, their family and maybe even their friends to have their name, address and/or personal information outed on a public forum. If they want to do it themselves then that's up to them but it's a whole different game when a stranger is trying to find out the posters identity. Once that identity is found there is no guarantee that it won't be passed around to different posters or made public on a forum.
Some of us have seen what could happen when the SBD's Florida address was mentioned on an older forum. An obviously mentally disturbed person that acted quite dangerous stated he was going to the SBD's home and have a talk with him.I believe his name was Johnny Bravado if my memory is correct.
There are others besides just us watching this forum.
It's being cautious NOT paranoid to keep real identities private. If someone is going to the trouble of trying to find that information out then be very aware that it is most likely not for a good reason.
For those that think it's no big deal then why don't you put your real name and address here for all to see? Yeh right, I didn't think so.
Better yet why don't you have one of the strangers that post here(yes we are strangers to one another) start digging into YOUR life to find out who you really are or where you live. If that doesn't work then have them call people in your neighborhood asking to speak to whatever moniker you're using.
JWB claims he knows who I am. He must have done some super heavy digging to find out that information. Beware or he'll know who you are next if he doesn't already.
Paranoid no, concerned yes.
Sorry Jenkins for using up so much of your space.

Well said, Wowzer, well said. Jenky's ideas are aligned with the original posters who ran all over local NH residents in the name of MM. They, too, shared a warped sense of righteous "justice" on behalf of someone they have never met or known. The latecomers have much in common with them.

Wow wrote:

There is something weird about this whole message board.
There's a completely different tone or vibe than all of the other message boards I have read regarding Maura Murray. I can't quite put my finger on it.
I get a strong feeling of darkness, almost evil coming from some of the writings on this board.
Most people who post here are good people with good intentions but there is a small group of people who I get a really bad vibe from, a possibly evil vibe.
Has anyone stopped and thought that maybe Maura's killer is writing on the board? It is possible? It is possible no question.
Someone pointed out that almost all of these people who are trying to convince people she just got drunk and lost in the woods all have hidden their locations. Why is that? What are they afraid of?
Could some of these different handles really be the same person? If their location was viewable would they be writing from the same town?
I get the same strong evil vibe from a few of these people, their writing is overflowing with hate.
Maybe they are just bitter and mean but it feels like there could be more to it than that.
I cant really pin it down but there is just this strange dark vibe on the board that I have never experienced on any other message board about any other topic and even other boards about this topic.
This vibe has come on in the last year or two really. Could the killer think the staties have their thumbs so far up their asses that they are never going to solve this thing? Could he think it's in his best interest to try to make the public think that she just got drunk and got lost in the woods somewhere.
In the last year these people just blatantly agregiously and even beligerantly try to get others to think shes lost in the woods and have shown a willingness to lie, spread disinfo and use any means neccesary to try to make people think she just got lost in the woods.
I have just been getting this strong feeling of evil when reading some of whats been written, it is scary
There is something about this message board that is off. There is some really ugly vibes evident in the writings of some of these folks.
Several of the people on this board should be ashamed of themselves.

THIS....... is definitely the absolute best Topix post of all time!

Seriously, is there ANYONE here who didn't know this was jenkins posting? I mean, immediately I knew. Within the first few sentences.

Jenkins, please tell me what in the world possessed you to create a new name and type this ridiculous post? lolol, omg so funny.

I can read it over and over and it never gets old. hahaha

Has someone diagnosed Beagle with mental illness? Has this been confirmed by a physician, and has his medical information been released to the public? No. I didn't think so. So much for your Beagle rant.

Actually D-bag, it's not the pissing in my food thing that has me upset. I eat at McDonalds all the time so I'm used to it. No, it's what happened to me at Wally World yesterday. I was just stopping in to get some Depends and denture cream and Metamucil for my ski trip up north. Everything was fine until the old Creeper collecting carts in the parking lot ran me over with a cart and stole all of my supplies, my ski pass and my lap top. Bastard jumped in my mini van and drove off!
Of course I called the cops, but, after investigating the matter, they told me to lighten up. Turns out the old coot is crazy as a Loon and shouldn't be held responsible. I know I sound bitter but, I really doubt he's actually going to use that damned ski pass for skiing!