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rozShoem

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Jan 22, 2011
 
I had read the information regarding 18 meth labs having been shut down in NH and 13 or 15 had been shut down in Grafton County. This afternoon I read a different article mentioning 18 meth labs had been shut down in NH and "2" had been in Grafton County. The latter info indicates this happened in 2004 over an 18-month period. I'll check NDIC site. It would seem that 13 or 15 meth labs in Grafton County would be a bit insane.
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Snowy wrote:
being an avowed skeptic, having heard this tall tale before, and no longer trusting Anne's judgment, i can hardly believe a stranger would seek out Anne to discuss meth labs.
If we were both looking for what happened to Maura, there would not and should not be a question as to the validity of what I informed you of. You have called people names from day one on here. You DO exactly what you accuse others of. Perfect psychology you know, we always hate things in others because they are a part of ourselves. You are transparent.
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WTH-the-original wrote:
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I am still waiting for you to name all these dead people you say they keep finding in the woods. The ones listed as murder victims.
And I have never heard of meth users feeling euphoric. Have you ever seen a meth user? They are hyper alert, full of energy, and have supreme self confidence, while under the influence. They feel like shit after because the dopamine has been shut off. I have never heard euphoria as one of the effects.
So all meth users flock to Grafton county??? Seems odd no one would notice that. I suspect that they manufacture it there, and send it to areas that use it. We had at least one meth lab in my town several years ago. But no meth here. Here the primary drug was heroin. Cheaper than Oxy in my town. Still have the occasional OD, little more in the next town over. Have dealt with several in the surrounding town.
Bill
Experience is a great teacher and research a great learning tool. YOU look up the information just as I have done. It will do you good. I do not plan to back track on an ongoing basis to relocate information that will convince you of something that you prefer to disbelieve. How ridiculous. No wonder MM has not been found. You evidentally do not believe she is missing.
Shack

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Jan 22, 2011
 
Perhaps this is the article of which you found...?
(Don't know how this applies to Maura missing)

"New Hampshire has yet to see the large numbers of methamphetamine addicts that Western and Midwestern states have experienced. But law enforcement officials say New Hampshire’s large expanses of wilderness are attracting those who manufacture the drug. In fact, 12 of the 18 methamphetamine labs discovered in New England in 2004 and 2005 were located in New Hampshire, many of them in rural Grafton County."

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rozShoem wrote:
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Bill,
I'd read that NH shut down 18 meth labs...and that either 13 or 15 of the 18 were found in Grafton County. So someone, somewhere it would seem was involved in the meth business. One does not have a meth lab as a hobby. With the economy as it is and many out of work, it seems reasonable that meth was/is being sold.....people make $$$$$ in this business. So...the State of NH had 18 meth labs that were closed......13 or 15 of them were in Grafton County. These labs didn't just spring up from the loving hands of mother nature. Human beings were involved. There is a high correlation between meth use and violence. These were not flower (plant) nurseries that were shut down. These were meth labs. Go back to the old demand-supply perspective. There evidentally HAD to be customers to warrant 18 labs.
Of course there is a demand. But it isn't in Grafton county. Its mostly in the larger cities. Make it in the wilderness. Transport it to where your customers are.

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Snowy

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Jan 22, 2011
 
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I believe you had mentioned you believe that whatever happened to Maura had started back at Amherst. Would you please share why you hold this belief? Also, WTF, I believe you questioned or were wondering why Maura would have inquired about a condo (that it did not make sense?).... Would you please elaborate a bit as to why? Thanks.
surely...i've previously stated that Maura was a student at UMASS, was upset by an unknown caller while at her job on campus, and suddenly left her family, social and academic life from Amherst. it is, therefore, logical to me that the answers are there....in Amherst. do you agree?
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rozShoem wrote:
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Experience is a great teacher and research a great learning tool. YOU look up the information just as I have done. It will do you good. I do not plan to back track on an ongoing basis to relocate information that will convince you of something that you prefer to disbelieve. How ridiculous. No wonder MM has not been found. You evidentally do not believe she is missing.
Profound.
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rozShoem wrote:
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Bill,
You need to Google New Hamphire meth.......... Really. Meth is a problem in a lot of areas across the U.S....and yes, meth does cause an intense rush of pleasure and "prolonged" sense of euphoria.... Why? Meth use causes a release of Dopamine which is a neurotransmitter. The problem is that over time, meth destroys dopamine receptors which lessens user's ability to experience pleasure as initial use had allowed. Meth had been on the decline but around 2005/2006 it's use increased. With today's economic crisis and many out of work, it's understandable why many have decided to go into the business....($$$$$ Check out: www.justice.gov/ndic/pubs4/4300/meth .
it is an absurdity to pursue this discussion with regard to meth at any level without any basis in fact for the who/what/when/why regarding Maura's disappearance,; that is, unless someone believes Maura was connected by the use or sale of meth. and i don't suppose that has any basis in fact, either.
this is the annoyance factor....with Anne jumping in on several occasions to promote a snippet of some random stranger approaching her to discuss Maura and meth. come on! i was certainly not born yesterday.
Snowy

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Anne wrote:
<quoted text>If we were both looking for what happened to Maura, there would not and should not be a question as to the validity of what I informed you of. You have called people names from day one on here. You DO exactly what you accuse others of. Perfect psychology you know, we always hate things in others because they are a part of ourselves. You are transparent.
i've called you a Duck without my having created the name; nor was the "Pointy Boots Brigade" of my creation. and i have merely called you part of The Sisterhood for which i absolutely take full credit.
i have, however, come to identify you as an instigator and supporter of the harmful practice of joining hands with others to accuse townspeople, one after the other, in a smug, self-satisfying effort to accuse townspeople and the police of wrongdoing. in fact, Anne, you are a despicable gossip.
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Shack wrote:
Perhaps this is the article of which you found...?
(Don't know how this applies to Maura missing)
"New Hampshire has yet to see the large numbers of methamphetamine addicts that Western and Midwestern states have experienced. But law enforcement officials say New Hampshire’s large expanses of wilderness are attracting those who manufacture the drug. In fact, 12 of the 18 methamphetamine labs discovered in New England in 2004 and 2005 were located in New Hampshire, many of them in rural Grafton County."
Maura apparently didn't disappear from "the wilderness".....if, big IF, she was last in the vicinity of her car, she was in actually within ear and eye shot of a neighborhood of at least 5 houses.
not buying your hysteria, non-specificity, and implication by complete over-generalization.
give it a rest.

rozShoem

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Snowy wrote:
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it is an absurdity to pursue this discussion with regard to meth at any level without any basis in fact for the who/what/when/why regarding Maura's disappearance,; that is, unless someone believes Maura was connected by the use or sale of meth. and i don't suppose that has any basis in fact, either.
this is the annoyance factor....with Anne jumping in on several occasions to promote a snippet of some random stranger approaching her to discuss Maura and meth. come on! i was certainly not born yesterday.
What is absurd is your attempt to convince the reader that you were not born yesterday. Certainly the time of your birth has no connection with finding MM. If you believe that it is an absurdity to pursue at any level a discussion about meth, then please refrain from doing so. Instead continue to do what you believe you do best.
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i've called you a Duck without my having created the name; nor was the "Pointy Boots Brigade" of my creation. and i have merely called you part of The Sisterhood for which i absolutely take full credit.
i have, however, come to identify you as an instigator and supporter of the harmful practice of joining hands with others to accuse townspeople, one after the other, in a smug, self-satisfying effort to accuse townspeople and the police of wrongdoing. in fact, Anne, you are a despicable gossip.
Snowy, are you kidding? I don't mind being called a 'duck' or part of the pointy boots'! Those tirles were developed during a period of sharing and compassion and listening closely. You have formed these names, several years down the road, into something they were not. For me they remain compliments, in the vein they were formed.
You have insulted my integrity and honor by suggesting I would lie! Please note that I am and have been copying many of your posts. I am not a gossip. Please note, I have lots of gossip I could write here and some of it would interest you.
I do not lie, nor gossip.
Snowy

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What is absurd is your attempt to convince the reader that you were not born yesterday. Certainly the time of your birth has no connection with finding MM. If you believe that it is an absurdity to pursue at any level a discussion about meth, then please refrain from doing so. Instead continue to do what you believe you do best.
shots in the dark. arrows into the sky. no inkling, no evidence.~ no new news ~ just absurdities.

you see, it's not just speculation, it often progresses to unfounded accusations.

and accusations of your creation, your overactive imagination, have no connection, whatsoever, to "finding" MM.
Snowy

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Anne wrote:
<quoted text>Snowy, are you kidding? I don't mind being called a 'duck' or part of the pointy boots'! Those tirles were developed during a period of sharing and compassion and listening closely. You have formed these names, several years down the road, into something they were not. For me they remain compliments, in the vein they were formed.
You have insulted my integrity and honor by suggesting I would lie! Please note that I am and have been copying many of your posts. I am not a gossip. Please note, I have lots of gossip I could write here and some of it would interest you.
I do not lie, nor gossip.
i didn't use the word "lie". you did. i simply don't believe you. you are unconvincing and habitually vague, but cunning; like a fox.
you've missed the point....ducks march in a row. they are hardly distinguishable, one from the other. the human counterparts are similar....incapable of independent thought and reason.
to trivialize the disappearance of a young woman by gathering under a Big Top of oozing rumor and innuendo is hardly compassionate or righteous.
too bad SBD didn't stand up to the gossip-mongering. he should have.
Anne

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Snowy, I have not trivialized the disappearance of Maura. Readers need to note this is in reference to several years ago.

Snowy, the 'ducks' was coined under a commedy moment as some participants met to discuss Maura. One person felt attacked by the ducks and joked about it. You have dragged it through the mud long enough.

SBD held his own with media and survived a lie detector. His words are important as he was a witness. You made him a martyr he wasn't. He was a good citizen stopped by a car off the road. Nothing more, notheing less.
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let's hope 2011 is a better year. i'd love for anyone, anonymous or not, to use discretion and true compassion...to refrain from naming and/or connecting individuals to Maura's disappearance without hard fact. unfortunately, it happened once again as late as last week on this very thread.
sometimes it's wiser to preserve one's energy....life is too short to argue incessantly, as there are books to read, chores to manage, and creative past-times to pursue. i agree with Wowzer.
Anne

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Okay Snowy, it sounds like you want to rest. Me too!
Snowy

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Jan 23, 2011
 
yes, Anne ~ you read me correctly. time to put down our keyboards!
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Jan 24, 2011
 
Anne wrote:
You have insulted my integrity and honor by suggesting I would lie!
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/duel/sfeature/ru...

Code duello for future reference. Beagle can be your second.
rozShoem

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Snowy wrote:
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shots in the dark. arrows into the sky. no inkling, no evidence.~ no new news ~ just absurdities.
you see, it's not just speculation, it often progresses to unfounded accusations.
and accusations of your creation, your overactive imagination, have no connection, whatsoever, to "finding" MM.
There. You're now doing what you do best...attacking others. Do you feel better now? LOL

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