Maura Murray

OKAY wrote:

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"moved on" is such a vague, dismissive term, and a cop-out, imo, for such a critical piece of information. seems the dorm and residents could be traced back. the harder part would be to prove exactly who used the phone.

you are correct. moved on is very vague.I would think that any school would keep records as to whom was staying in the dorms from there start date to there ending date. I would think there would be contact info in case a problem should arise.

I wonder if Maura was insistent on returning to her fathers motel room because she needed to talk to him about what had upset her. The crash screwed that up and screwed her out of the new car on Sunday. She never got to discuss here problem with her father. Thinking out loud, sorry.

Anyways good nite.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>you are correct. moved on is very vague.I would think that any school would keep records as to whom was staying in the dorms from there start date to there ending date. I would think there would be contact info in case a problem should arise.

Do you have proof that schools keep records as to whom was staying in the dorms from their start date?

Orko Kringer wrote:

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Citigirl doesn't have a theory.
She was part of the search party (blah, blah blah blah blah) but that is all she has in relation to this case.
She has nothing else to do with this case.

I do know alot more but will not post it. You have know idea as to what has been done on relation to this case because you have not been there.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>I do know alot more but will not post it. You have know idea as to what has been done on relation to this case because you have not been there.

If you say so Citigirl.

Orko Kringer wrote:

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Really?
Can you read?
What proof do I have that police didn't trust family?... Really?
I just posted a hand-written excerpt from Sharon Rausch (much more family than you) about how police didn't believe Maura's sister.

could you please show me the link you are referring to? No need to insult me if I have a question.

Alden Howes Olson wrote:

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Wanna do lunch? My treat.

Yes definitely. Name the time and the place and I'll be there. If it makes you feel more comfortable I'll leave the g23 at home. LOL

Local burger? Green Bean? Rt 9 diner?

Proof that schools keep records of who stayed in the dorms?? You can't be serious with that question can you orky? Obviously they know exactly who's staying in their dorm rooms. There's the matter of paying for the room, I think the school has a pretty damn good idea of who they're billing and who's staying in what room, I don't think there needs to be proof that the school knows exactly who's staying in their dorms.
As for visitors they keep meticulous records of that as well. There's a security guard stationed downstairs in every dorm, that's what Maura's job was, to work the front security desk in a dorm. Every person who enters the dorm must be accompanied by a resident of the dorm and show their valid picture ID to enter the dorm. I've experienced this first hand I've been in the dorms there, years ago at this point but these things are only getting stricter not more lax. I was once denied entry at Johnson & wales because my ID was two months expired, wicked annoying.
The schools keep meticulous records of the comings and goings of people into these dorms, this is for obvious reasons like keeping sickos out of the dorm and also knowing exactly who is there so if someone gets raped or someone goes missing, even if something major gets stolen, anything like that happens they know exactly who was there. I don't think any proof is needed to know for a fact that the school knows exactly who is in their dorms and what exact dorm room they're in. that's a given, it was even Maura's job.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>could you please show me the link you are referring to? No need to insult me if I have a question.

Prove to me that you haven't read the link already. Are you sure its a fact that you haven't read the link?

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

Proof that schools keep records of who stayed in the dorms?? You can't be serious with that question can you orky? Obviously they know exactly who's staying in their dorm rooms. There's the matter of paying for the room, I think the school has a pretty damn good idea of who they're billing and who's staying in what room, I don't think there needs to be proof that the school knows exactly who's staying in their dorms.
As for visitors they keep meticulous records of that as well. There's a security guard stationed downstairs in every dorm, that's what Maura's job was, to work the front security desk in a dorm. Every person who enters the dorm must be accompanied by a resident of the dorm and show their valid picture ID to enter the dorm. I've experienced this first hand I've been in the dorms there, years ago at this point but these things are only getting stricter not more lax. I was once denied entry at Johnson & wales because my ID was two months expired, wicked annoying.
The schools keep meticulous records of the comings and goings of people into these dorms, this is for obvious reasons like keeping sickos out of the dorm and also knowing exactly who is there so if someone gets raped or someone goes missing, even if something major gets stolen, anything like that happens they know exactly who was there. I don't think any proof is needed to know for a fact that the school knows exactly who is in their dorms and what exact dorm room they're in. that's a given, it was even Maura's job.

No Jenky,

I was just giving the fake family member of maura a little dose of his/her own medicine.

I wasn't really concerned with what Citigirl had to say about what schools have on record and what they don't have on record.

Orko Kringer wrote:

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Do you have proof that schools keep records as to whom was staying in the dorms from their start date?

How can a school rent a dorm room out? Wouldnt the school have to know what was availiable and the dates you want to rent out the dorm? Dont you have to fill out an application and be accepted?

"moved on" is a very strange choice of words...Normally I would think "graduated","tr ansferred" would be used..Just odd.

Man.. I barely ever stayed in my dorm at Oklahoma State.. We were always switching rooms & depending on who had what gf/bf people stayed & switched everywhere.. But that was the 90s..

Now in the 00s, I stayed in the girls only dorm at Costal Carolina Univeristy for awhile when I was on leave from the military.. No1 said a thing.. In any university its all about who you know & as long as theres no trouble, & your grades stay up, mostly no1 cares! Heck, even with all the VA Tech shootings, I can still drive the hour to the campus & walk around, goto the football field, hit up the frat & soriety houses & have never been asked a question by anyone.. My friend Charles Stewart went to Syrcause & we stayed there & I was omw to UCONN when what happened, happened..

That is 100% fact.. Idk bout umass amherst but colleges are colleges.. College kids are college kids.. Id figure theres ways to get around much in every college, heck they partied at Yale all the time cus you could hear it from whalley ave..

OKAY wrote:

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it seems Lighthouse wanted to explain Maura's actions and present them in a favorable light.
imo, your personal circumstances and Maura's are very different, and while it's ok for each of us to be passionate about a point of view, and even disagree, i don't think the argument should have included your history that was used against you.

Thank you very much! I thought I was taking "cheap shots" also & im glad others seen it.. But, its all over now.. I hope :).. I wouldnt have said a peep if I wasnt being compared.. I wasnt the orignal one that asked the question, I answered with my opinion & got railroaded...

Just whosits wrote:

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YVW ;),
and You're not a hypocrite in most eyes. In fact you are what I call "down to earth"
The rules I learned for the first conceal and carry are that you can C&C in only 37 states. Maybe more now. But I could see me not realizing it while visiting out state relatives. I could end up like you did, detained while they verify my stats.

Thank you! I try to be nice to everyone.. I stated a fact, I didnt mean it to go the way it did.. & the laws are crazy, here people have the whole back window of their trucks with a rack full.. I honestly thought I done the right thing & if I woulda hid it, & been searched, I probably wouldnt have recieved the help I did from the SA & Judge :)

Orko Kringer wrote:

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No Jenky,
I was just giving the fake family member of maura a little dose of his/her own medicine.
I wasn't really concerned with what Citigirl had to say about what schools have on record and what they don't have on record.

Ahh thats okay. Everyone has the rights to there own opinion.

And orky she is right, you weren't there. By your own words you only started following this case in the last couple years correct? You've been to Nh once to check a few things out right? Say what you want about how well citigirl knew Maura, she only met her twice iirc, she has put a real lot of her own time and money into this case; going up Nh many many times to look for Maura personally, talk to people and basically put on her own investigation into the case along with fred and the rest of the family's investigation. Say what you want about her postings but she definitely knows a hell of a lot more about this case than anybody on this forum does, or pretty much any forum for that matter. She knows more about this case than pretty much anyone that isn't Fred, Sharon, Helena or LE. certainly she knows a hell of a lot more than even your buddy renner.
My point is that she could be a Valuable resource for someone like you and someone like renner. Your a well researched individual and you could potentially bring a lot to this case. I think that you're skewing your vision based on your belief that she killed herself and ignoring a lot of crucial things that point otherwise. I think you should try taking a step back and looking at this with a completely 100% neutral view. Completely objectively. I think you decided long ago that she killed herself and you only try to find things that support that to the point of twisting things that point other ways. Perfect example is your theory that there was some sort of suicide note draft on her computer and LE is lying about the existence of it. At the same time you believe LE is telling the truth when they say there's no evidence of foul play. There's been absolutely no reason I've ever seen that makes sense for them to lie about a suicide note, and on the other hand they have every reason in the world for them to lie about there being evidence of foul play; from not wanting to tip off the perp to the investigation to just general public relations. I think your whole line of reasoning there is backwards and all because you believe she killed herself and want to prove it.
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I think your belief she killed herself has skewed your vision. All JMHO, meant to be a constructive critisism not an attack on you orky. I like you as a poster and think your extremely well researched and knowledgable on this case, I just think your rather biased and that your messing with what could be an extremely valuable resource for you in regards to this case. Citi is definitely a family member and she's actually willing to come on forums and share much if what she knows, obviously not all but a lot of it. That's a pretty valuable thing in a case like this. She may not have known Maura well but she knows this case really well

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

And orky she is right, you weren't there. By your own words you only started following this case in the last couple years correct? You've been to Nh once to check a few things out right? Say what you want about how well citigirl knew Maura, she only met her twice iirc, she has put a real lot of her own time and money into this case; going up Nh many many times to look for Maura personally, talk to people and basically put on her own investigation into the case along with fred and the rest of the family's investigation. Say what you want about her postings but she definitely knows a hell of a lot more about this case than anybody on this forum does, or pretty much any forum for that matter. She knows more about this case than pretty much anyone that isn't Fred, Sharon, Helena or LE. certainly she knows a hell of a lot more than even your buddy renner.
My point is that she could be a Valuable resource for someone like you and someone like renner. Your a well researched individual and you could potentially bring a lot to this case. I think that you're skewing your vision based on your belief that she killed herself and ignoring a lot of crucial things that point otherwise. I think you should try taking a step back and looking at this with a completely 100% neutral view. Completely objectively.
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I think your belief she killed herself has skewed your vision. All JMHO, meant to be a constructive critisism not an attack on you orky. I like you as a poster and think your extremely well researched and knowledgable on this case, I just think your rather biased and that your messing with what could be an extremely valuable resource for you in regards to this case. Citi is definitely a family member and she's actually willing to come on forums and share much if what she knows, obviously not all but a lot of it. That's a pretty valuable thing in a case like this. She may not have known Maura well but she knows this case really well

word-age reduced, of course, so i can reply after reading. i've been sharp with and critical of citi in the past, but have lost that edge.
we actually agree, Jenky, on all points here.
it's useless to choose an ending to the story of her disappearance and then cherry pick pieces of info to support that frame. there are too many missing puzzle pieces to argue with certainty one way or another. just opinions.
i do think Orky is being particularly unkind to citi. she is handling it quite well.

Emmett Dove wrote:

<quoted text>You started this mess with me.. I had no intentions of arguing all day about what makes someone a thief or criminal..

Emmett, I just want to point out something. It was not Lighthouse who started that whole thing, it was Jenkins. He was the one who brought your name into it, comparing your past to Maura's credit card theft.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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Emmett I think it's unfair to just outright call her a thief. That would be like someone describing you as a criminal because you got arrested a few times. She got arrested for stealing the cc, she probably got kicked out of WP for the same thing. That to me looks like a confused girl doing stupid shit, making mistakes like everybody does.
See what I'm saying though? Your don't consider yourself a criminal, and your really not. Gettin arrested a few times ten years ago does not mean your a criminal, same thing as stealingnanfew times doesn't make her a their. JMO

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BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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All good points wowzer. She clearly wasn't going hungry, she had $ in her scct & I'm sure her family would've sent her $ if she needed it for food.
I was just talking about categorizing someone completely off of a mistake they made, which seems unfair. Emmett is a perfect example, he's been arrested a few times and was even on rikers island for a year and a half, does that mean he should just be characterized as a criminal?

He posted both of those before Lighthouse made any comments. If you're going to blame somebody for starting that ruckus, blame Jenkins.

And for what it's worth, this is a public forum and we can say whatever the heck we want to say. MM or her family members don't own it. I will not say bad things about MM, but stating facts about her is just fine. A person who steals another person's credit card and uses it, even just once, to purchase anything, is a thief. Using it just once could possibly be chalked up to being a silly kid, but a 21 year-old woman is not a kid. She knew fully what she was doing and she did it more than once that we know about, six times according to the police report, over a period of time, and she was in the process of another theft when she was arrested. She was arrestedfor , prosecuted for, and admitted to, THEFT. To call Maura Murray a thief is a true statement, known as a fact. Maura Murray was a thief, and to say that is not being mean, it is the truth. That fact may or may not have bearing on her disappearance, and should be discussed. Emmett was simply stating the truth here, and for Jenkins to call him out on it and then compare Emmett's past to Maura's was uncalled for and mean.