Maura Murray

How is this person 'moving on' any sort of excuse??
If they knew the person moved on then they knew who the person was. Why couldn't they just call them where they 'moved on' to?? How does that make any sense?

Orko Kringer wrote:

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These particular articles are referring to maura's sister Kathleen.

Ty Orko. The articles are pretty old. Have the police changed their mind since? You had Kathleen ruled out I thought. Sorry if I am mistaken.

Here is an interesting quote from the rest of the march 2, 2004 article.
It's interesting because LE actually list their theories and what they believe to be most and least likely. They clearly state they believe suicide to be the LEAST likely.

Boston globe 3-2-2004:

"Authorities are exploring four scenarios, all of which they say contain flaws. Least likely is that she committed suicide. She left no note. Her grades were excellent. Her medical records showed no issues, and her relationships appeared sound. One investigator characterized her ongoing e-mail exchange with her boyfriend, an Army lieutenant in Oklahoma, as "sappy."

Second unlikeliest is that, intoxicated, she ventured into the woods and was overcome by the elements. But dogs couldn't trace her scent, there were no footprints in the fresh snow, and helicopters equipped with heat-seeking devices were no help.

Third is that in the brief window of time, she was picked up by someone who abducted or killed her. But authorities believe the odds of a violent criminal coincidentally coming across her on the rural road are as remote as the location itself.

Fourth is that she was picked up by a passerby, taken to a bus station, and fled the area, possibly with little idea of the anguish she has left behind."

At this point, 9 years later, I believe it's more likely she got killed and judging by the fact she was included on the cold case unit list it appears the NHSP does as well. Remember, the requirement for a missin persons case to be on that list is a missing person where foul play is believed to have occurred. That means she would not be on that list if they think she killed herself or ran away. Also the ccu is extremely pressed for money and resources, I don't believe they're gonna put someone on that list unless they truly believe she was murdered. With all their complaining about lack of funding and resources they would actually look pretty bad if it turns out she committed suicide.

Either way, it's pretty clear that early on LE did NOT believe she killed herself and it's pretty clear they don't think that today either.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

How is this person 'moving on' any sort of excuse??
If they knew the person moved on then they knew who the person was. Why couldn't they just call them where they 'moved on' to?? How does that make any sense?

Hi Bob, I like the way u think. Orko showed an article a couple pages back that said they later dtermined that call was about the lab coat/jacket/scrubs.

Habs wrote:

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Ty Orko. The articles are pretty old. Have the police changed their mind since? You had Kathleen ruled out I thought. Sorry if I am mistaken.

To this day, IMO, no one has a clue.

Family is crafting a version of events to fit how they want maura to be perceived.

Police have never trusted family for an assortment of reasons.

And that is why there are no answers for even obvious easy things to prove or disprove even to this day.

Habs wrote:

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What if the police already knew the source of the distress and determined the landline call to be unimportant?

could very well be the case, but her sudden, unexplained departure would seem to line up with the critical days and events, including phone calls made and received, prior to her leaving UMASS. lots of missing links.

Orko Kringer wrote:

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To this day, IMO, no one has a clue.
Family is crafting a version of events to fit how they want maura to be perceived.
Police have never trusted family for an assortment of reasons.
And that is why there are no answers for even obvious easy things to prove or disprove even to this day.

So true, sadly.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

Either way, it's pretty clear that early on LE did NOT believe she killed herself and it's pretty clear they don't think that today either.

You really have problems with the English language don't you. Or is it Bob just being Bob, insisting that what we just read doesn't mean anything because he doesn't want it to be there. Hey Bob, read this again, s-l-o-w-e-r to see if you can make sense out of it. Its in English so take your time, read it more than once if necessary.

"Authorities are exploring four scenarios, all of which they say contain flaws."

Hmmmmm. So they do include the suicide theory as a possibility?

Interesting.

Bill

OKAY wrote:

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could very well be the case, but her sudden, unexplained departure would seem to line up with the critical days and events, including phone calls made and received, prior to her leaving UMASS. lots of missing links.

Would sure be nice to have a couple of those missing links.

Bill, with all due respect, can I get your theory on the alleged call that led to Mauras meltdown?

Habs wrote:

Bill, with all due respect, can I get your theory on the alleged call that led to Mauras meltdown?

Really don't have any opinion on it. It is another case of not enough information to draw an opinion.

Bill

Orko Kringer wrote:

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To this day, IMO, no one has a clue.
Family is crafting a version of events to fit how they want maura to be perceived.
Police have never trusted family for an assortment of reasons.
And that is why there are no answers for even obvious easy things to prove or disprove even to this day.

Do you have proof and facts to prove what you are stating? What LE department told you they dont trust family and what are there assortment of reasons as to why they dont trust Family?

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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...I gotta Glock G23 that I'm licensed to carry anywhere in the country & have with me almost always...

Wanna do lunch? My treat.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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You really have problems with the English language don't you. Or is it Bob just being Bob, insisting that what we just read doesn't mean anything because he doesn't want it to be there. Hey Bob, read this again, s-l-o-w-e-r to see if you can make sense out of it. Its in English so take your time, read it more than once if necessary.
"Authorities are exploring four scenarios, all of which they say contain flaws."
Hmmmmm. So they do include the suicide theory as a possibility?
Interesting.
Bill

Umm, WTH are you talkin about bill?? Obviously suicide is included as a scenario, why would I not want that to be written? The hell are you even talkin about? When did I say suicide is not an option?? Anyone following this case must admit that suicide is a possibility as to what happened to her, even if you don't believe it is likely.

They listed these four possible scenarios by order of least likely to most likely. The first scenario they list, according to what LE believes, is suicide, saying they believe that to be the LEAST likely of the four. So what's the problem? I posted an article where LE listed the likelihood of each scenario saying they believe suicide to be the least likely. So that means they do not believe that's what happened to her. Obviously it is a possibility, it's listed in the four possible theories, it's just LE did not and likely does not believe that's what happened to her. that doesn't mean it's not possible, it's just not what LE believes is what happened.

Seriously bill, how is that hard to understand? I know your not the smartest guy in the world but I know your intelligent enough to understand that. Or is it that your just looking, trying as hard as you can to find any problems with what I'm writing? And when you can't find a real problem you have to make something up? I never said anywhere in that post that suicide is not possible here, it clearly is and I said nothing even close to anything like that. So what up with that?

Remember bill- what you don't know could fill libraries, many many libraries. And that is a fact

Citigirl, with all due respect, what is your theory with the alleged upsetting call?

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Do you have proof and facts to prove what you are stating? What LE department told you they dont trust family and what are there assortment of reasons as to why they dont trust Family?

Good question citi. It is pretty obvious that there is some distrust on both sides but that does NOT mean LE just doesn't trust the family outright. I would like to see orky's proof and facts to back up this statement as well. There's obviously some mistrust going on but to say LE just doesn't trust the family at all seems incorrect.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Do you have proof and facts to prove what you are stating? What LE department told you they dont trust family and what are there assortment of reasons as to why they dont trust Family?

Really?

Can you read?

What proof do I have that police didn't trust family?... Really?

I just posted a hand-written excerpt from Sharon Rausch (much more family than you) about how police didn't believe Maura's sister.

Habs wrote:

Citigirl, with all due respect, what is your theory with the alleged upsetting call?

Citigirl doesn't have a theory.

She was part of the search party (blah, blah blah blah blah) but that is all she has in relation to this case.

She has nothing else to do with this case.

I think citigirl's cat rubbed its butt against a bird's beak that once flew near maura's hometown.

That is citigirl's relation to maura murray.

Ty Bill btw. My reply button doesn't seem to be working.