Maura Murray

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Possibly, if another car was to be purchased, license plates would be tranferred from Saturn to this car. Wonder what plans were for the Saturn? Don't believe a university would want an unplated vehicle setting in the parking lot. Possibly Maura planned to use the Saturn as a trade-in vehicle? Supposedly, the Saturn was running on 3 cylinders...not too much of a dream car that one would want to drive for long distances. Route 112, the route where Saturn was found...I believe I recall Maura's father wondering WHY Maura had taken that particular route. He indicated she was much more familiar with another route. This is a good point. I think he said it was strange that she would have taken Route 112. Anyone recall this? Possibly his comment about this was in the documentary?

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Why did it take Maura an hour to drive from her friend's dorm room to Hadley where she had the accident (hit guardrail w/her father's Corolla)? She left her friend's dorm at 2:30 AM and hit guardrail in Hadley at 3:30 AM.

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Maura had been to Burlington VT before and on more than one occasion. Why would she need a printout of directions? The last person who would have cognize if it was Maura's voice. Seems as though she was leaving email messages as opposed to vm messages (maybe it was not Maura leaving email messages).

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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Yep, I knew I forgot at least one, probably more. It had to do with SBD identifying Maura but stating that "her hair was down" which some took as meaning that it wasn't Maura. Now being punched in the face by an airbag can detach retinas and break noses, so it can knock someones hair bun off and make their hair fall down. We also need to recognize Occam here who would state that it would be Maura driving Maura's car unless there is some compelling evidence to indicate otherwise.
Bill

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Possibly, if another car was to be purchased, license plates would be tranferred from Saturn to this car. Wonder what plans were for the Saturn? Don't believe a university would want an unplated vehicle setting in the parking lot. Possibly Maura planned to use the Saturn as a trade-in vehicle? Supposedly, the Saturn was running on 3 cylinders...not too much of a dream car that one would want to drive for long distances. Route 112, the route where Saturn was found...I believe I recall Maura's father wondering WHY Maura had taken that particular route. He indicated she was much more familiar with another route. This is a good point. I think he said it was strange that she would have taken Route 112. Anyone recall this? Possibly his comment about this was in the documentary?

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Here we go again. Now Bob KNOWS that citigirl is a relative. I suspect she is a relative but he KNOWS. DEFINITELY! Excellent. he must have checked her credentials. His repeatedly keen insight leaves me feeling much better about this. I've yet to see him incorrect about anything. Oh wait, there have been a few things. Anyway.
And the family, as always, shares only what they want. Yep, it is their right. But, along with all the pointless windmilling, one has to wonder. How much is known to the family? How much is just them just using the participants to keep going 'round and 'round with this site. Creating a continuous buzz, if you will.
So when I am absent from some of these windmill sessions, and you are windmilling to beat the band, I am here. I am reading, sometimes laughing hysterically. Ooooooh look. They are going over the phone call "evidence" again. Ooooooh look, they are now discussing the "person" spotted running down the road again. Is it Maura, isn't it Maura? I forget, what was the consensus?
What is the next great rabbit that they are going to pull out of their hats.... maybe the trailer hitch redo, or the car not going into the trees for the ninetieth time??? I expect great things here.
And of course I see some people trying to keep the facts straight. That is good. I certainly am getting tired of doing it. I see more reading and less participation in my future. As long as dumb posts are kept in check. I really don't care who does it. At this point, I actually wonder if keeping the remarkably stupid posts in check is useful. I mean maybe just letting Bob go nuts with the "truth" would certainly be more entertaining. I don't think even he could screw up the real investigation. I think he has been checked out and the police see him for what he is.
This last week has been exceptional. Coverage of things covered twenty times before, no new input from the family, nothing new from police, not knowing if the family knows more than we do or not. Oh wait, that has been true the last, going on, nine years. If they do know. Then what is the point of the mindless regurgitation of the same limited information, especially if they know the correct answer? Of course other than entertainment I mean, in particular if they actually know the answer. Anyway, carry on. The breeze from here is spectacular.
Bill
I look forward to Bob again, not being able to figure out how this post is relevant. ie. "What the hell are you talking about" Not surprising he isn't smart enough to understand the question, let alone provide an answer.

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I totally agree with you here with respect to family members knowledge of this case, at least the ones that post here. Do they know more? Would they let debate go on that they already have the answer to? Why answer some questions and not others? After almost 9 years, maybe it's time to lay everything on the table. Clearly this route isn't working. My opinion only.

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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Yep, I knew I forgot at least one, probably more. It had to do with SBD identifying Maura but stating that "her hair was down" which some took as meaning that it wasn't Maura. Now being punched in the face by an airbag can detach retinas and break noses, so it can knock someones hair bun off and make their hair fall down. We also need to recognize Occam here who would state that it would be Maura driving Maura's car unless there is some compelling evidence to indicate otherwise.
Bill

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this is my first time posting, so sorry if i accidentally used someone else's posting name. i've been following this story for about a year and have read most of renner's blog and several hundred pages of postings here, as well as having watched the i.d. show too.
bobjenkins-og's post above (#27741) includes this:
"Also the car had recently passed inspection iirc, within the past couple months, and this included an emissions test."
on a different website forum unrelated to maura, a poster complained back in november of '08 about new vehicle inspection guidelines going into effect in massachusetts. though he gets the year wrong (1995), he mentions older cars being exempt from tailpipe emissions testing if there is no visible exhaust smoke. this is now the case for cars older than 1998.
so, it is logical to assume, prior to november 2008, cars older than 1998 were still undergoing tailpipe testing. if bob is correct above that maura's saturn passed inspections not long before her disappearance, is it logical to reason that perhaps she shoved a rag in the tailpipe to reduce exhaust smoke, maybe at her dad's suggestion, so as to reduce exhaust smoke and improve the chances of the car passing inspections? the testing rod for tailpipe inspections is pretty long, which may have necessitated shoving the rag way up into the tailpipe. or maybe the testing rod shoved it up even further? and I know from my own experience that repairs to improve exhaust emissions are expensive and the window of time to get them done can be short.
now, speculating further, let's say it was successful and she drove the car away from inspections with no operational issues. maybe she left the rag there and forgot about it. or maybe, if it was causing the car to drive worse, she fished the rag out later. then, with her dad in town, they go to look at cars to buy. if they had selected a specific car, as one version of the dad's story indicates, maybe they were contemplating trading in the saturn but the car dealer wanted to at least see it first to estimate trade-in value. if the exhaust was still bad, maybe maura and her dad used the old "rag in the tailpipe" trick again so if she drove it on the dealer's lot, it wouldn't be belching tons of exhaust smoke.
just my thoughts on answering the question of the rag in the tailpipe, and the comment above about Maura's car recently passing inspections brought the idea to mind. sorry if something similar was brought up before. if so, i just hadn't seen it before.

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Excellent observation. I've been asking the same questions for some time.

Habs wrote:

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It really is quite noticeable. Is it because of LE restrictions you think?

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Habs wrote:

I have been reading(lurking) here for a year or so and thanks to windmilling and regurgitation I think I get the gist of this sad, unfortunate case. I would like to respectfully ask citigirl if she knows what the upsetting phone call was about. If this has already been answered then I apologize. I've read all the posts but my memory is not the greatest. Thank you in advance.

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Aftermath wrote:

Sunday, Feb 8, 4:49 AM...Maura calls her bf from her father's cell phone. Why did she use her father's cell phone instead of her own. She must have had her cell phone with her in the Corolla, not unless someone else phoned LE (passerby) or the officer just happened by the scene. She had the accident w/the Corolla a 3:30 AM and yet used her father's cell phone at 4:49 AM to phone her bf.

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She forgot the cell phone we all know about in her room. To me this is direct evidence that she most likely did have another cell phone.
How else did she call AAA that night?
I drove by that crash site just the other day & I realized that I had the spots confused when I commented on it a month or so ago and said there were a couple houses kind of close to the scene. I confused that intersection with the intersection of rt47 which is further down the back roads towards Northampton.
There really are no houses that are close to this site, there's a couple like almost a half mile away but it was the middle of the night and it does not appear she walked to any. If she did she wouldn't have been back to her car by the time the cop got there.
Also, I need to go find this quote by the cop who was on the scene. Last spring I read the quote and actually made a post about it. The way the cop words it implies that by the time he arrived on scene AAA had already been called. If that is true then then only way she could've called them is with a different cell phone, which I do believe she had. It would make a lot of sense actually, I don't see many 21yr old girls being cool with their bf getting their phone bill every month and seeing everyone who she called. It's just weird, even if they're not cheating most girls like their privacy and it seems like Maura was def the type that appreciated her privacy. It would make more sense to me that she WOULD have another phone, prepaids are dirt cheap especially if you don't use a lot of minutes on them.
I'm not 100% sure on this but I believe that once the cop was on scene she wouldn't have been able to call AAA. The cops have contracts with specific towing co's and they have to call them. I've def heard cops say that you can't call AAA for a tow, that they have to call their company. I've heard a couple different cops say this over the years actually.. I would like to figure out if that is actually a law in mass or if those cops were just being dicks. that would tell us that she had another phone that she used to call AAA.
Few years back I was stopped at a stop sign and I got hit by a city bus that cut the corner too close. Messed up my front end and I couldn't drive the car away. The cop seemed nice,!I was tryin to get him to let me cal AAA for a free tow because the tow co was gonma charge me like 127$ for the tow and one night of storage for the night til I got it towed somewhere else. It seemed like the cop felt bad about it but he said it was the law, that there's liability and the car needs to be towed by the co they have a contract with. It's the side of the road, it's technically dangerous to tow a car from.
Has anybody else ever experienced this? Does anybody else know if it is really a law that you can't call AAA to get towed from an accident once the cops show up?
It would be interesting if it could be proven that she had another cell phone. I believe that she did and in my eyes it has been proven for the most part.

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I'll try to be succinct, which is my opinion based on long-term observation.
You nailed it here:
"I totally agree with you here with respect to family members knowledge of this case, at least the ones that post here. Do they know more? Would they let debate go on that they already have the answer to? Why answer some questions and not others? After almost 9 years, maybe it's time to lay everything on the table. Clearly this route isn't working."
Clearly, the effort to portray MM as "The All American Girl" was intended to capitalize on her achievements and hide her flaws; flaws that likely played into the scenario leading up to her disappearance.
Sustained defense of that painted image includes, to this day, significant denial and mitigation around behaviors and actions MM took prior to her disappearance.
Cards will not be placed on the table anytime soon.
The limitations of LE reporting to the public on an active investigation seem normal and expected. Family behavior seems consistently intended to misdirect from helpful, honest revelations.
Enter James Renner. Can he shine a light on this history and correct the record with verified information?
Unedited and JMO.

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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Yep, I knew I forgot at least one, probably more. It had to do with SBD identifying Maura but stating that "her hair was down" which some took as meaning that it wasn't Maura. Now being punched in the face by an airbag can detach retinas and break noses, so it can knock someones hair bun off and make their hair fall down. We also need to recognize Occam here who would state that it would be Maura driving Maura's car unless there is some compelling evidence to indicate otherwise.
Bill