Maura Murray

whiston wrote:

Hi all, it seems for some reason Mr.Murray did not want to bring the saturn back to C.T.Could it have been damaged over christmas break by someone in C.T. or M.A. take care philip

could it be because he was paying for rental services on his insurance policy?

whiston wrote:

Hi all, it seems for some reason Mr.Murray did not want to bring the saturn back to C.T.Could it have been damaged over christmas break by someone in C.T. or M.A. take care philip

I have wondered if there wasn´t a reason neither MM nor FM wanted to associate themselves with the Saturn.

All quiet on the Renner front these days. I've almost stopped checking for updates. A bit disappointed. I keep wondering if he has something more but I'm starting to doubt. Maybe I just hoped.

whiston wrote:

Hi all, it seems for some reason Mr.Murray did not want to bring the saturn back to C.T.Could it have been damaged over christmas break by someone in C.T. or M.A. take care philip

Hey, maybe. I'd still like to know if Maura drove her own car to get to the Goshen, NH party. I realize she had lots of friends, but not everyone is free over the holidays to break away. Besides, I think it's true that you cannot live in your dorm over aNy holiday or break. You must leave, so Maura's friends were most likely with their own family's. Lets see now. Maura's first celebration was in Hanson, right? Was Billy there with her for that? I'm not sure if I've ever heard that or not. Anyone know?
Did Maura stay home (Hanson) long enough that she didn't leave for the Goshen, NH party until the 29th or 30th? James spoke with one of the moms and she's the only reason that tidbit even came out. Meanwhile, friends have been asked not to talk.
THIS IS FOR MAURA'S FRIENDS:
TALK. TALK to family, PI"S, someone on the CCU squad, whatever feels right. But don't lay low, your friend might be ok after all and you might hold some sort of key. And by the way, I feel for you, it's hard and I've seen all of your reactions. You're sad and baffled about all of this. But you might be able to trust somebody to move in closer on someone or some place, or just some "old" idea that Maura had. Like, say it's true that upon getting to WP, you knew that Maura was working on a way out of there. Was there a reason? Someone bugging her? And/or, while at UMASS, same thing, was someone making her think twice about marrying Billy? Did one of you introduce Maura to someone you're leary of now, but weren't at the time,~ but haven't mustered up the courage yet to explain that to somone? Anyway, I will hope you will bring yourself to help in such a way that it doesn't hit the wrong party. Like the media, maybe not mention this to family, just someone working the case, that you feel you can trust to use any of your info to HeLp.

Oh yeah, from what I recall, when Maura went missing, they sent someone to look at the possibilty she might be at the same house in Goshen< NH. Problem was, nobody lived there anymore, at least mot the same people. Does anyone know the true story about that? Or is it just as mch info as James could get at the time?

Just me--paris wrote:

<quoted text>Hey, maybe. I'd still like to know if Maura drove her own car to get to the Goshen, NH party. I realize she had lots of friends, but not everyone is free over the holidays to break away. Besides, I think it's true that you cannot live in your dorm over aNy holiday or break. You must leave, so Maura's friends were most likely with their own family's. Lets see now. Maura's first celebration was in Hanson, right? Was Billy there with her for that? I'm not sure if I've ever heard that or not. Anyone know?
Did Maura stay home (Hanson) long enough that she didn't leave for the Goshen, NH party until the 29th or 30th? James spoke with one of the moms and she's the only reason that tidbit even came out. Meanwhile, friends have been asked not to talk.
THIS IS FOR MAURA'S FRIENDS:
TALK. TALK to family, PI"S, someone on the CCU squad, whatever feels right. But don't lay low, your friend might be ok after all and you might hold some sort of key. And by the way, I feel for you, it's hard and I've seen all of your reactions. You're sad and baffled about all of this. But you might be able to trust somebody to move in closer on someone or some place, or just some "old" idea that Maura had. Like, say it's true that upon getting to WP, you knew that Maura was working on a way out of there. Was there a reason? Someone bugging her? And/or, while at UMASS, same thing, was someone making her think twice about marrying Billy? Did one of you introduce Maura to someone you're leary of now, but weren't at the time,~ but haven't mustered up the courage yet to explain that to somone? Anyway, I will hope you will bring yourself to help in such a way that it doesn't hit the wrong party. Like the media, maybe not mention this to family, just someone working the case, that you feel you can trust to use any of your info to HeLp.

Paris, My recollection was that Maura spent Christmas in OK with Billy and his family . I don't think the dates were ever mentioned such as how long she stayed and when she left. I assume she flew out to OK and back to Hanson.Not sure how she got to the party , but she would have prob gone back to Hanson after the party as it would have been to soon to go back to school.

It is strange that little to no information exists about the NYE party. It might be nothing to do with anything . I hope JR is able to interview some of her friends just so we have more info to look at. The FBI did interview family and friends so I am sure they have the Goshen party covered.

Maybe Citigirl can shed some light on this.

Why did it take Maura an hour to drive from her friend's dorm room to Hadley where she had the accident (hit guardrail w/her father's Corolla)? She left her friend's dorm at 2:30 AM and hit guardrail in Hadley at 3:30 AM.

Sunday, Feb 8, 4:49 AM...Maura calls her bf from her father's cell phone. Why did she use her father's cell phone instead of her own. She must have had her cell phone with her in the Corolla, not unless someone else phoned LE (passerby) or the officer just happened by the scene. She had the accident w/the Corolla a 3:30 AM and yet used her father's cell phone at 4:49 AM to phone her bf.

Was SBD shown photos of Maura's female friends? There appeared to be a bit of uncertainty on his part as to whether the female at the accident scene (Route 112) was Maura when first shown photo of her? Maura usually wore her hair up...and according to SBD the young female he spoke with that evening was wearing hair down.

whiston wrote:

Hi all, it seems for some reason Mr.Murray did not want to bring the saturn back to C.T.Could it have been damaged over christmas break by someone in C.T. or M.A. take care philip

Maybe he didn't wanna drive a piece of shit car that might die back to ct? That's probably why, I doubt it has anything to do with someone damaging it in ma or ct

Maura had been to Burlington VT before and on more than one occasion. Why would she need a printout of directions? The last person who would have recognized Maura's actual voice was her father and she phoned him 11:26 p.m. Sunday Feb 8. She phoned about the condo...but that might not necessarily been Maura (L. Salamone most likely would not have recognized the voice as Maura's; in fact, months later she could not recall details of the conversation 12:55 p.m. Sunday Feb 9)....and at 1:00 p.m., the same day, Maura "emails" her bf. Odd she'd phone about the condo at 12:55 p.m. and then email bf at 1:00 p.m. briefly stating she didn't feel like talking w/anyone, but would call him later in the day (she did phone him later that day at 2:18 p.m. but was on the phone only 1 minute). May have left a message? Possibly just listened to a recording he may have had? She did leave a vm with another student Feb 9 at 1:13 p.m., but left no significant information. It was just a vm message and could have been any other female. Teachers, employers....THEY received emails....no voice mail messages possibly because they would recognize if it was Maura's voice. Seems as though she was leaving email messages as opposed to vm messages (maybe it was not Maura leaving email messages).

OKAY wrote:

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very good memory; succinct; bullet points format.
indeed, there is a solid, long history of misrepresenting facts...to the point where they are unrecognizabke. gotta go.

Yep, I knew I forgot at least one, probably more. It had to do with SBD identifying Maura but stating that "her hair was down" which some took as meaning that it wasn't Maura. Now being punched in the face by an airbag can detach retinas and break noses, so it can knock someones hair bun off and make their hair fall down. We also need to recognize Occam here who would state that it would be Maura driving Maura's car unless there is some compelling evidence to indicate otherwise.

Bill

Aftermath wrote:

Maura had been to Burlington VT before and on more than one occasion. Why would she need a printout of directions? The last person who would have recognized Maura's actual voice was her father and she phoned him 11:26 p.m. Sunday Feb 8. She phoned about the condo...but that might not necessarily been Maura (L. Salamone most likely would not have recognized the voice as Maura's; in fact, months later she could not recall details of the conversation 12:55 p.m. Sunday Feb 9)....and at 1:00 p.m., the same day, Maura "emails" her bf. Odd she'd phone about the condo at 12:55 p.m. and then email bf at 1:00 p.m. briefly stating she didn't feel like talking w/anyone, but would call him later in the day (she did phone him later that day at 2:18 p.m. but was on the phone only 1 minute). May have left a message? Possibly just listened to a recording he may have had? She did leave a vm with another student Feb 9 at 1:13 p.m., but left no significant information. It was just a vm message and could have been any other female. Teachers, employers....THEY received emails....no voice mail messages possibly because they would recognize if it was Maura's voice. Seems as though she was leaving email messages as opposed to vm messages (maybe it was not Maura leaving email messages).

I find all the points you've made interesting...I have considered the possibility Maura was dead before leaving Amherst&all the emails&phone calls were a coverup..I need my memory refreshed on who REALLY saw her last..

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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Maybe he didn't wanna drive a piece of shit car that might die back to ct? That's probably why, I doubt it has anything to do with someone damaging it in ma or ct

Possibly, if another car was to be purchased, license plates would be tranferred from Saturn to this car. Wonder what plans were for the Saturn? Don't believe a university would want an unplated vehicle setting in the parking lot. Possibly Maura planned to use the Saturn as a trade-in vehicle? Supposedly, the Saturn was running on 3 cylinders...not too much of a dream car that one would want to drive for long distances. Route 112, the route where Saturn was found...I believe I recall Maura's father wondering WHY Maura had taken that particular route. He indicated she was much more familiar with another route. This is a good point. I think he said it was strange that she would have taken Route 112. Anyone recall this? Possibly his comment about this was in the documentary?

Aftermath wrote:

Sunday, Feb 8, 4:49 AM...Maura calls her bf from her father's cell phone. Why did she use her father's cell phone instead of her own. She must have had her cell phone with her in the Corolla, not unless someone else phoned LE (passerby) or the officer just happened by the scene. She had the accident w/the Corolla a 3:30 AM and yet used her father's cell phone at 4:49 AM to phone her bf.

She forgot the cell phone we all know about in her room. To me this is direct evidence that she most likely did have another cell phone.
How else did she call AAA that night?
I drove by that crash site just the other day & I realized that I had the spots confused when I commented on it a month or so ago and said there were a couple houses kind of close to the scene. I confused that intersection with the intersection of rt47 which is further down the back roads towards Northampton.
There really are no houses that are close to this site, there's a couple like almost a half mile away but it was the middle of the night and it does not appear she walked to any. If she did she wouldn't have been back to her car by the time the cop got there.
Also, I need to go find this quote by the cop who was on the scene. Last spring I read the quote and actually made a post about it. The way the cop words it implies that by the time he arrived on scene AAA had already been called. If that is true then then only way she could've called them is with a different cell phone, which I do believe she had. It would make a lot of sense actually, I don't see many 21yr old girls being cool with their bf getting their phone bill every month and seeing everyone who she called. It's just weird, even if they're not cheating most girls like their privacy and it seems like Maura was def the type that appreciated her privacy. It would make more sense to me that she WOULD have another phone, prepaids are dirt cheap especially if you don't use a lot of minutes on them.

I'm not 100% sure on this but I believe that once the cop was on scene she wouldn't have been able to call AAA. The cops have contracts with specific towing co's and they have to call them. I've def heard cops say that you can't call AAA for a tow, that they have to call their company. I've heard a couple different cops say this over the years actually.. I would like to figure out if that is actually a law in mass or if those cops were just being dicks. that would tell us that she had another phone that she used to call AAA.
Few years back I was stopped at a stop sign and I got hit by a city bus that cut the corner too close. Messed up my front end and I couldn't drive the car away. The cop seemed nice,!I was tryin to get him to let me cal AAA for a free tow because the tow co was gonma charge me like 127$ for the tow and one night of storage for the night til I got it towed somewhere else. It seemed like the cop felt bad about it but he said it was the law, that there's liability and the car needs to be towed by the co they have a contract with. It's the side of the road, it's technically dangerous to tow a car from.
Has anybody else ever experienced this? Does anybody else know if it is really a law that you can't call AAA to get towed from an accident once the cops show up?
It would be interesting if it could be proven that she had another cell phone. I believe that she did and in my eyes it has been proven for the most part.

findmaura wrote:

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I find all the points you've made interesting...I have considered the possibility Maura was dead before leaving Amherst&all the emails&phone calls were a coverup..I need my memory refreshed on who REALLY saw her last..

The officer at the Hadley crash site.

findmaura wrote:

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I find all the points you've made interesting...I have considered the possibility Maura was dead before leaving Amherst&all the emails&phone calls were a coverup..I need my memory refreshed on who REALLY saw her last..

According to information, SBD saw Maura last, but he had not known Maura so would have no way of knowing if the young woman at the accident scene was Maura. In fact, he was initially somewhat ambivalent in identifying her (I believe he had been shown photos of Maura). If the young woman was not Maura, it would be easy to see why she had presented as somewhat shaken and had requested SBD not call anyone. She may have been apprehensive if police were to contact registered owner (FM) of the Saturn. Likely she would have been even more apprehensive if she were found to be somehow involved in Maura's disappearance. It's also strange that Maura would phone bf at 4:49 a.m. from her father's cell phone and then out of the blue Sun Feb 8.....and then EMAIL him Monday, Feb 9, stating she did not feel like speaking with anyone and that she would phone him later. Why contact him at all just to say she did not feel like talking?! Either someone was with her and she felt uncomfortable speaking with her bf.....or it was not Maura who sent the email (to her bf). Even the 2:18 p.m. call to bf from Maura's cell phone may not have been Maura. That someone may have been strategizing to make it appear it WAS Maura calling. The phone call last for only 1 minute... Long enough most likely to possibly listen to a recording? A dorm mate (not identified) had reportedly seen Maura leaving campus around 3:30 PM/4:30 PM. Unsure of exact time, so possibly this individual was not sure of who he/she saw leaving campus. Possibly this person saw a female getting into the Saturn, but was it actually Maura?

Maura called Billy at 4:49 A.M.,just after the Hadley crash,Was he the last person who could verify it was Mauras voice?I would be really interested in that conversation.As has been reported Fred was still asleep at 4:49 A.M..Did they find&interview the hotel guests from that night?
The atm video sure would shed light on some things..

Have the woods been searched on Bhr where the red truck was seen with its doors open?

findmaura wrote:

Maura called Billy at 4:49 A.M.,just after the Hadley crash,Was he the last person who could verify it was Mauras voice?I would be really interested in that conversation.As has been reported Fred was still asleep at 4:49 A.M..Did they find&interview the hotel guests from that night?
The atm video sure would shed light on some things..

I thought you meant last verified sighting, where she was positively id´d by an outsider to the case. I want to make it clear I do believe it was Maura at the NH accident scene, not some look-alike.
One really has to wonder why they never released that video or even stills from it. I have come to believe the reason for not letting anyonethe atm video or even stills from it, is there was something about how she looked, was wearing or such, that could possibly verify sightings as really being her. So, what could it have been? Beagle´s blackeye theory perhaps? There has never been any media reports of hotel guests or staff being interviewed.